Is God against homosexuality?

[temptotalk]

The real question is "Is homosexuality against god?" I certainly hope so.

Pretty sure thats how it'll turn out with this guy on the site.

 

[pronatalist]

You seem to have devoted much of your energy and time to the ethics of human reproduction. How would you explain this focus? What might have set you interest in motion?

-Do you support the idea that marriage is an arrangement between one man and one woman?

-If so, what do you think would be a reasonable number of children for a man and wife to produce? Please give a number.

-What is your position on adoption and artificial insemination? Should these processes only be used by individuals in traditional marriage?

Human life is beautiful and amazing. Of course people should reproduce and multiply, and we ought to be more concerned about falling birthrates, as a possible measure of increasing society dysfunction.

God defined marriage as between a man and a woman. Rather than completely ruling out polygamy in all cultures, I would say that polygamy is complicated and perhaps not practical, as if all the cool guys snatch up all the women, who will be left for me to marry? So yes, man + woman. Is that what you were asking?

As many children as they reasonable can. Like huge numbers of people, I also have practical, philosophical, cultural, and religious objections to all methods of birth control. Without birth control, I do not expect people to control their family size, but rather to leave the determination of family size to God.

Adoption is an obvious pro-life alternative to abortion. The child still gets to live. Many people who are against so-called "family planning" also object to, or personally see no need for "artificial" means of boosting or repairing infertility. I agree they have a point. If they are trusting God for the proper family size, then perhaps it is reasonable to expect God to repair their infertility that is no fault of their own. However, infertility treatments do appear to be pro-life, and I find them acceptable, but also presumably optional.

Traditional marriage? Man + woman, but of course. But I do also tend to count "common law" marriage as marriage. If a man and a woman has been living together and raising children together as if they are married, they probably are married, for all practical purposes, and should stay together.

I do not believe that medical fertility science should be abused so that unfit "parents" such as lesbians, can have their pretend or perversion "families". Sperm donation gets a bit complicated, as shouldn't the father have more concern as to what becomes of his offspring? Does he not have any duties towards them?

 

[temptotalk]

The real question is "Is homosexuality against god?" I certainly hope so.

Yeah i'm pretty sure he's not gonna get that he's actively making more atheists. Or at least forcing others to shy away from religion. Then again atheists do the exact same thing. I wonder how many potentially religious people he'll turn to the "darkside" with all this though.

 

[longwideride]

To levi101, who wrote:
'First I am caused to wonder what longwideride must think of himself and others who enjoy LPSG. I hope he will respond, but I can’t help but sense that in the back of his mind he sees LPSG as a cesspool of sexual degenerates hiding from “the good” people in the real world.'

My morality is not informed by the concept of sin, as is yours, and I am my own judge--not god.

I was originally drawn to LPSG as a 'large penis support group' because the size of my cock has caused sexual difficulties and discrimination against the appearance of my pkg in clothing and some antagonistic envy. I don't find much support for that here because, like most sex sites, this is a mixed venue and not one really about problem solving. I do enjoy some of the intelligent thought I see here about politics and personal philosphy. I eschew religious opinion about morality because it always proceeds from values and codes I don't share and think are vacant.

Like most human beings, I think a large cock is a totem, and there is a tremendous human affection for that on physical, sexual, psychological, and mythic levels. That's why I enjoy coming to LPSG frequently.

I don't make value judgments about the kinds of behavior that are discussed freely on LPSG. Fetish, sexual jealousy and fidelity, gay and straight don't bother me. While I subscribe to the Terence's notion that "I am a human being, and I think nothing human is alien to me' (homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto'). There are a multitude of things I, for various reasons, haven't done, won't do, and am not interested in trying. I am comfortable with my own sexuality and wish others happiness with theirs. Your lovely little toad mind is the one that came up with notions like 'cesspool' and 'degenerates.' With regard to you, I think 'show me a moralist, and I'll show you a bigot.'

I don't like your rhetorical flourishes or flights of fancy: my morality is personal, I don't preach it or espouse it to others, and it's derived from hard knocks I've taken, respect for others I've developed or acquired, and some tolerance. I think your speculative moral and religious posts are sonorous flatulence. You post TO folks here, not FOR them.

Given some of our common life experiences, if I had met you in a bar and had friendly discussions about life in the real world (unlike those you have posted here), I think I might like you enough even enough to have bought you a drink or two, but when I read your posting history, I find virtually no common ground.

DON'T put words or judgments in my mouth. Cesspool? Degenerate? Those are your thoughts about me and I find them repulsive.
You're just another sniveling, judgmental Christian out to preach to others and find rationalizations for himself.

No one comes to LPSG to hide from the good people in the real world--shame to you to think that I feel that way.

We have nothing, sir, in common: best of luck to you.

 

[Oxnard]

Of course religion can have something to do with it, but in this case, we are talking of false religions, that do not promote freedom, that do not promote truth, and that hinder rather than encourage proper adaptations to to the growing population size.

And of course, corrupt government is generally based upon false religion, such as atheism which hinders a proper understanding of morality and how we ought to treat "the little people beneath our elitists' feet."

The false religions?

As opposed to your religion?

Great.

Look, I'm not going to start an actual apologetics debate with you because I already stirred up enough crap on this forum with that topic. Suffice it to say that Christianity lost the apologetics debate from day one. You can no more prove your religion than any other religion.

However, even if we ignore that, you are making a special pleading fallacy here. Even if the other religions are false and your religion is true, that doesn't make the comparison with regard to pronatalism invalid. Pronatalism is harmful regardless of whether or you believe in fairies or pixies. The argument for why pronatalism is harmful has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not your religion is true.

 

[Oxnard]

The fixed amount of wealth fallacy. Wealth is largely a product of human labor. More people, more labor, more ideas. But it isn't merely "many hands make light work," but that people can build and invent tools which can greatly multiply the force of their labor.

We can see already from history, as human populations increase, so also increases wealth. However, that is highly dependent upon what kind of government, how religiously moral the people are, proper organization and education, and other factors.

So, what.

If the population is practicing the correct religion, extra wealth just poofs out of nowhere?

Sorry, but if your argument had merit, then places like India would be the wealthiest places on Earth.

 

[pronatalist]

The false religions?

As opposed to your religion?

Great.

Look, I'm not going to start an actual apologetics debate with you because I already stirred up enough crap on this forum with that topic. Suffice it to say that Christianity lost the apologetics debate from day one. You can no more prove your religion than any other religion.

However, even if we ignore that, you are making a special pleading fallacy here. Even if the other religions are false and your religion is true, that doesn't make the comparison with regard to pronatalism invalid. Pronatalism is harmful regardless of whether or you believe in fairies or pixies. The argument for why pronatalism is harmful has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not your religion is true.

You can not prove that pronatalism is harmful, especially considering that most religions promote large families. Are you then saying that all these religions are wrong on that regard, and that only your religion is the correct one? Which religion do you claim to subscribe to, BTW? How is respecting the beauty and value of human life, and respecting human rights, harmful?

Extra wealth just poof out of nowhere? Ignorance isn't an argument. Who doesn't know that people can produce more wealth? I didn't say that more wealth appears out of nowhere. People produce wealth. Know you nothing of economic theories? I am more of the Austrian school, and not that Keynesian excuse-for-communism and Big-Brother-government school of economics.

So what is the dominant religion of India? Oh, that's right, Christians are a minority there, aren't they? The predominant religion is Hinduism, or stupid superstition. And when you look at what Hinduism teaches, is it any wonder that they are poor? "Holy cow" is not just a saying, it is based on Hinduism, which regards animals too highly and humans too lowly. How can people be without enough food, when cows are walking down the street, and they let rats eat up their food? How do you feed people who refuse to eat? Hinduism teaches that you are locked in your caste, and that whatever you sufferer, must be the result of your sins in a previous life, so why try to change anything? Does fatalism increase wealth? The Bible says that where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Sounds like religion makes a big difference.

And yet I hear the the more-Christian section of India is cleaner and more prosperous. Hmm.

BTW, I usually fault corrupt government more often, than I cite false religion, even though they are very much related, because of course, people are going to turn it into a "my religion is better than your religion" argument. But, people these days are so dumbed-down by government monopoly schools, that they actually sometimes ask me to define "corrupt government," as if it wasn't so blatantly obvious that governments are not doing how they are supposed to? But how does it even make sense, to blame innocent children for poverty? Like what bad policy decisions did these young children make?

 

[temptotalk]

"The predominant religion is Hinduism, or stupid superstition."

*Rolls on the ground laughing* OHHHH...the irony.

 

[pronatalist]

"The predominant religion is Hinduism, or stupid superstition."

*Rolls on the ground laughing* OHHHH...the irony.

Are you still pretending that your religion is the correct religion? What is your religion anyway? The so-called non-religion of a-theism? Hey, did I see a "theism" in that? So a-theists actually admit that they believe in a false god?

Where in my Bible, does it say that I should believe in Hinduism? Did I not read in the first of the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt have no other gods before me? The Bible says that we live one life, and then the judgement. Well that leaves no room for Hindu reincarnation.

 

[temptotalk]

Are you still pretending that your religion is the correct religion? What is your religion anyway? The so-called non-religion of a-theism? Hey, did I see a "theism" in that? So a-theists actually admit that they believe in a false god?

Where in my Bible, does it say that I should believe in Hinduism? Did I not read in the first of the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt have no other gods before me? The Bible says that we live one life, and then the judgement. Well that leaves no room for Hindu reincarnation.

lol no the irony....is that you just disrespected another religion by saying that it's......stupid superstition. You my friend..are frickin hilarious. Let me guess. You're one of those people who hates it when your religion is called into question but you have no qualms with questioning others.

And then you ask me questions about your bible. Do you not know? Cause if not maybe you should be reading that instead of commenting on a site with the most moist, sensual, plump dicks and edible pussies to ever exist outside of adam and eve's garden. Seriously, have you seen the galleries here? There's all sort of fucking going on there. Dicks in asses, dicks in vay jay jay, dildo's, ball gags, bondage and soooo much ball sack skin it's unbelievable. Have you looked?

OHHHHHHHHH i forgot to tell you, theres also videos! You can watch a dude blowing another dude or go straight up and watch a woman blowing a dude. It's sinfully hot dude. When you get a chance you should take a look. Pretty sure you'll find something you like.

Oh oh and did you ever get around to answering my questions?

 

[temptotalk]

Are you still pretending that your religion is the correct religion? What is your religion anyway? The so-called non-religion of a-theism? Hey, did I see a "theism" in that? So a-theists actually admit that they believe in a false god?

Where in my Bible, does it say that I should believe in Hinduism? Did I not read in the first of the 10 Commandments, Thou shalt have no other gods before me? The Bible says that we live one life, and then the judgement. Well that leaves no room for Hindu reincarnation.

Awww you go bye bye? Well i'll just leave this here then.

 

[pronatalist]

lol no the irony....is that you just disrespected another religion by saying that it's......stupid superstition. You my friend..are frickin hilarious. Let me guess. You're one of those people who hates it when your religion is called into question but you have no qualms with questioning others.

And then you ask me questions about your bible. Do you not know? Cause if not maybe you should be reading that instead of commenting on a site with the most moist, sensual, plump dicks and edible pussies to ever exist outside of adam and eve's garden. Seriously, have you seen the galleries here? There's all sort of fucking going on there. Dicks in asses, dicks in vay jay jay, dildo's, ball gags, bondage and soooo much ball sack skin it's unbelievable. Have you looked?

OHHHHHHHHH i forgot to tell you, theres also videos! You can watch a dude blowing another dude or go straight up and watch a woman blowing a dude. It's sinfully hot dude. When you get a chance you should take a look. Pretty sure you'll find something you like.

Oh oh and did you ever get around to answering my questions?

Where did you get the crazy idea that all religions are equal?

 

[temptotalk]

Where did you get the crazy idea that all religions are equal?

Oh they aren't all equal? Please tell me how one is better than another. I'd love to hear it over some tea.

 

[pronatalist]

Oh they aren't all equal? Please tell me how one is better than another. I'd love to hear it over some tea.

Let God be true, but every man a liar. -Romans 3:4

The world is flooded with counterfeits, and people like you are so intellectually lazy, that you don't even make the effort, to see which is the truth, or whatever is it, that the counterfeiters are counterfeiting from? Why is it, that I hear of all these people who examined all sorts of religions, before they came to the truth, but many scoffers like you, seem as if you will never find the truth, and do not want to find the truth? Perhaps someday you will?

 

[temptotalk]

Let God be true, but every man a liar. -Romans 3:4

The world is flooded with counterfeits, and people like you are so intellectually lazy, that you don't even make the effort, to see which is the truth, or whatever is it, that the counterfeiters are counterfeiting from? Why is it, that I hear of all these people who examined all sorts of religions, before they came to the truth, but many scoffers like you, seem as if you will never find the truth, and do not want to find the truth? Perhaps someday you will?

Wait i'm intellectually lazy? You basically just called yourself a liar by way of your own belief.

 

[temptotalk]

Let God be true, but every man a liar. -Romans 3:4

The world is flooded with counterfeits, and people like you are so intellectually lazy, that you don't even make the effort, to see which is the truth, or whatever is it, that the counterfeiters are counterfeiting from? Why is it, that I hear of all these people who examined all sorts of religions, before they came to the truth, but many scoffers like you, seem as if you will never find the truth, and do not want to find the truth? Perhaps someday you will?

What no comeback? Right. So i use your own biblical quote against you. Logically and efficiently i might and you run off? Oh and a little internet search can teach me a little on religion. Didn't take long either. Wanna read?

Quran passages or Bible verses? People react negatively — and then learn the truth.

Enjoy pronatalist...enjoy.

 

[622675]

I don't like your rhetorical flourishes or flights of fancy: my morality is personal, I don't preach it or espouse it to others, and it's derived from hard knocks I've taken, respect for others I've developed or acquired, and some tolerance. I think your speculative moral and religious posts are sonorous flatulence. You post TO folks here, not FOR them.

So your byline, “fay ce que vouldras (meaning "Do Whatever You Want") is descriptive of your own personal ambitions (one way street) and clearly is not intended as equal privilege for others. It reflects you well.

 

[10silverdollars]

So your byline, “fay ce que vouldras (meaning "Do Whatever You Want") is descriptive of your own personal ambitions (one way street) and clearly is not intended as equal privilege for others. It reflects you well.

You're always the judgmental, righteous dud, Levi.

 

[deleted15807]

You can not prove that pronatalism is harmful....

Oh yes you can. Any uncontrolled growth of one species in any environment always equal extinction of other species and mankind is no exception. The next mass extinction is already underway and this time it's caused by humans. And you don't have to be a "mad scientist" to see it.

 

[longwideride]

So your byline, “fay ce que vouldras (meaning "Do Whatever You Want") is descriptive of your own personal ambitions (one way street) and clearly is not intended as equal privilege for others. It reflects you well.

And your avatar is a butt, just like you...