Is God against homosexuality?

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Yeah I am not offended by what that person posted either, everyone is entitled to their opinions. The internet and this site are full of people who just share what they think. While I don't agree with what the person said I am not bothered they said it.

I have mentioned I had only one truly negative reaction to my coming out and it was pretty nasty. A bud who I considered relatively close told me in a very firm and borderline heated tone he didn't approve of homosexuality and that he was uncomfortable with the conversation. I told him I would change the subject and tried but he said he "couldn't sit there" and left lunch only a few minutes later with the statement to not communicate with him again. I just let him go and said that it wasn't my intention to make him uncomfortable or upset him. We've never spoken since other than a brief hello when we saw each other I public one day.

I posted in this thread my mother isn't/wasn't very happy but it created more tension than hostility that has slowly faded. There will always be a percentage of the population that doesn't approve and while I know it's gone down considerably with each passing year it will never disappear.
 
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Offense is a funny thing. It's essentially our interpretation of something a person says or does. I'm almost unoffendable, I can't think of a topic that is off limits. Why? I want to understand behaviour. Racist? Tell me more about how you got to that position. Homophobic? Yep I can hear that, let's talk. Sexist? Go for it... Talk to me!

How can people change their minds when we scream about being offended? You will rarely hear me be defensive when talking about a different point of view.

Defensiveness doesn't make change it just embeds people's views. That's why BLM must be super careful in how they speak about their experience. Guide people. Telling people they are abborant and wrong only causes them to dig in their heels.

But hey what do I know....
Hey, if you aren't offended by his hate speech, that is your own business (to the others that replied as well).

This isn't a matter of "interpretation". He was explicitly clear.

That is why I think this thread has gone off the rails. It has been muddied by religious debate, to include people who are purely here to toss out hate speech. AND, that hate speech has been allowed. That is what offends me the most.

Also, like I mentioned, if the word gay was replaced by black, or women, or whatever else, it would be an entirely other matter.

If you are going to create a TOS, and foster a hate free environment, then do so. Otherwise, what the hell are you doing.

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Yeah I am not offended by what that person posted either, everyone is entitled to their opinions. The internet and this site are full of people who just share what they think. While I don't agree with what the person said I am not bothered they said it.

I have mentioned I had only one truly negative reaction to my coming out and it was pretty nasty. A bud who I considered relatively close told me in a very firm and borderline heated tone he didn't approve of homosexuality and that he was uncomfortable with the conversation. I told him I would change the subject and tried but he said he "couldn't sit there" and left lunch only a few minutes later with the statement to not communicate with him again. I just let him go and said that it wasn't my intention to make him uncomfortable or upset him. We've never spoken since other than a brief hello when we saw each other I public one day.

I posted in this thread my mother isn't/wasn't very happy but it created more tension than hostility that has slowly faded. There will always be a percentage of the population that doesn't approve and while I know it's gone down considerably with each passing year it will never disappear.

The dude is a jerk. He wasn’t a friend to begin with.

What is there to disapprove? I cannot get me head around (no pun intended) the idea that loving someone of the same sex is bad. Murdering someone is bad. I live in Minneapolis and George Floyd’s murder is unconscionable. But sucking a dudes dick? Telling him you love him? That’s bad? SMH
 
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The dude is a jerk. He wasn’t a friend to begin with.

What is there to disapprove? I cannot get me head around (no pun intended) the idea that loving someone of the same sex is bad. Murdering someone is bad. I live in Minneapolis and George Floyd’s murder is unconscionable. But sucking a dudes dick? Telling him you love him? That’s bad? SMH

It really didn't bother me that much but I was surprised the reaction was so strong. When I first came to Atlanta my closer friend group consisted of straight guys I met through a work bud and a few social interactions. I had become close with five guys who let me in their circle and he was one of them. None of the others had that reaction at all and I know one of them called that guy out for being a jackass. I don't think he socializes with any of them anymore.
 

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Well, if someone believes in the God, and what a Christian doctrine says then he knows that the God is against homosexual acts. He is also against killing, cheating, stealing ect. Everybody has a free will, and do whatever wants to do, but you can't choose that gay sex is not a crime in the eyes of the God while stealing, killing, cheating are. You don't buy a fruit on a market and choose the most beautiful one.
The Christian doctrine gives a clear call that a homosexual act is, between another things, something that the God does not accept. You either deal with it that in your understanding or not. It is up to you.
This is how it is from the religious point of view. From the biological it is similar.
Oh, blow it out your ass.
 

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I think the intent of this thread has fallen on it's face when people like this can compare homosexuality to:
  • serious mental illness
  • pedophilia
  • cannibalism
  • murderers
  • the diseased or maimed

This isn't religion. It is hate speech.

What is even sadder, is that I reported this individual, and the posts remain even though it is highly offensive to anyone that is gay.

If you replaced words in his posts with black, trans, women, or jews, he would have been banned and his messages scrubbed.
It is sad world when you cannot have an own opinion because some LGBT individual calls you hater because he cannot stand that others don't have to accept homosexualism as normality.
It is my right to think about homosexual people whatever I want. I do not judge you as a person, I can eat a dinner with you, drink a beer. But I will never accept (and I don't have to) what you do in bed as something normal let alone give permission to adopt a child. If you cannot accept that fact that you are a racist and heterophob.

You haven’t met the God that isn’t represented by the Catholi

Dude, you really need to read the Bible in full. It talks about sexual violence as a sin, not homosexuality as a sin. Any sexual violence is condemned by God, no matter where you lie on the Kinsey scale. Love expressed through sex is not.
What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? | Human Rights Campaign
Yeah some people say that, some another. I see it rather how it was written (as a negative act).
 

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It is sad world when you cannot have an own opinion because some LGBT individual calls you hater because he cannot stand that others don't have to accept homosexualism as normality.
It is my right to think about homosexual people whatever I want. I do not judge you as a person, I can eat a dinner with you, drink a beer. But I will never accept (and I don't have to) what you do in bed as something normal let alone give permission to adopt a child. If you cannot accept that fact that you are a racist and heterophob.


Yeah some people say that, some another. I see it rather how it was written (as a negative act).
Another reactionary on ignore.
 

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Whilst I agree in principle I do also believe that the only way to change minds and understand how and why people think the way they do is to have open dialogue. Even if that's uncomfortable. This comes from a gay person BTW.

The problem is that you assume the other party is open to listening and making thoughtful consideration of what others are saying. The type of people we are talking about have no intention of having a dialogue. They are simply on here looking for a fight. They rely on ad hominem and other fallacies which are simply a waste of time refuting.
 

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A god doesn't exist to have an opinion on sexuality anymore than the monster(s) which lived under your bed or in your closet when you were a kid.

When I was a child I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child. When I became an adult I put away childish things.
 

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The problem is that you assume the other party is open to listening and making thoughtful consideration of what others are saying. The type of people we are talking about have no intention of having a dialogue. They are simply on here looking for a fight. They rely on ad hominem and other fallacies which are simply a waste of time refuting.

My concern is that if we don't at least try to understand we can never change anything about how they view the world. We may not anyway but its shutting down of conversation that leads to Brexit and Trump. People rebel against being told what they can and can't say and next thing you know we get a backlash of epic proportions! Its exactly how Trump happened. People angry that they couldn't say how they felt (esp against Obama, being told they were racist if they criticised him) rose up and elected the biggest racist of a president since the US was founded.
 

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I'm coming in very late to to this thread.

The way I understand it, being homosexual is not a sin. The way my pastor explained it, she said that God wants us to happy, but there have to be limitations on that self fulfillment of happiness. In that sense, God wants to limit the heartache of out of wedlock sex. Any sexual act out of wedlock is wrong. For example, an ongoing straight couple having sex is wrong. Marriage is supposed to be a lifelong commitment. Is it perfect? No. Is anything in this physical world perfect? No. But this isn't our eternity. We are here only a short while.

If you want to make the case that adults are free to engage in any act that doesn't harm others, than consider siblings who have sex. They are adults. But I'm not aware of any culture where it isn't looked down on.

Another issue is the government support of covenant marriage, which is also a problem. But that's another issue.
 

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Your capacity to turn a blind eye to the obvious never ceases to amaze.
No, I am quite aware that it is easy to find some version of the Christian Bible.
But the list of so-called "Holy Books" is very long.
The Tao Te Ching.
The Upanishads.
The Tipitakas.
The Kojiki.
The Zend Avesta.
The Guru Granth Sahib.
The Analects of Confucius.
There are many others. Most people accept whatever book pertains to the religion their parents practiced. (Were your parents Christian, by any chance?)
There have been nearly 3,000 "gods" in recorded human history. (I count the 320 million "gods" of Hinduism as multiple aspects of one god, as do many Hindus.)
Holy books and "gods" are a dime a dozen.
They are works and creatures of fiction—amusing to learn about, but hardly anything upon which to base a serious belief system.
More gods and deities:


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I'm coming in very late to to this thread.

The way I understand it, being homosexual is not a sin. The way my pastor explained it, she said that God wants us to happy, but there have to be limitations on that self fulfillment of happiness. In that sense, God wants to limit the heartache of out of wedlock sex. Any sexual act out of wedlock is wrong. For example, an ongoing straight couple having sex is wrong. Marriage is supposed to be a lifelong commitment. Is it perfect? No. Is anything in this physical world perfect? No. But this isn't our eternity. We are here only a short while.

If you want to make the case that adults are free to engage in any act that doesn't harm others, than consider siblings who have sex. They are adults. But I'm not aware of any culture where it isn't looked down on.

Another issue is the government support of covenant marriage, which is also a problem. But that's another issue.

Well the good news is that in many countries, gay couples can now get married. Siblings still can't marry. If all religions were serious about marriage being the ideal, they wouldn't prevent gay couples marrying.

Most religions focus on gaining and retaining members. Marriage and procreative sex are examples of doing this. That's why things like masturbation and contraception are a sin in many religions.

Religion hides these things behind the word sin or "god says so" as a way to stop arguments or progressive change. To me, religion is great in many ways but it also has caused unnecessary hurt to people do to holding on to things that do not reflect 21st century science.
 

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I'm agnostic but for fucks sake, if you believe that God is the creator of all things, that means God created humans who are homosexual...so why would the creator create people who are attracted to their own gender and then be against them?

It's utterly silly. Bigots really don't think things through
 

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I'm agnostic but for fucks sake, if you believe that God is the creator of all things, that means God created humans who are homosexual...so why would the creator create people who are attracted to their own gender and then be against them?

It's utterly silly. Bigots really don't think things through

Since this thread is primarily focused on the Christian view (per the content of the OP), it's worth pointing out that your remarks reflect a lack of understanding the Christian doctrine on the matter. The reality of homosexuality can be relegated to the consequences of the Fall. For Christians who see it that way, it wouldn't follow that God made anyone homosexual.
 
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