Is homosexuality necessary?

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I think that in some way is important to know the causes of homosexuality to prove ignorant people that gender atraction isnt by choice . But I believe that we have to wait a long time before learning the actual causes.

There is no cause. The more we seek for a cause, the more we perpetuate the reasoning that men and women with an inclination towards same-sex attraction are scientifically-challenged. Excuse my language, but what absolute bullshit!
 

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This goes back a long way but I think it was E.O. Wilson, a sociobiologist, who proposed the "kin selection hypothesis" that gay people support the functions of families to promote genetic survival. If I recall correctly, the title of the book in which he proposed this is "On Human Nature," circa late seventies or early eighties. This idea is congurent with erratic's post.
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And maybe someday I'll start another thread on it, but I truly believe that the urge to fuck and the urge to have kids are entirely different "switches" connected to the same machinery.

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I believe this too. If the sex drive was only for reproduction, there would be no gays, and postmenopausal women would have no desire for sex at all.

I'm another straight person who has never wanted children. But I have a VERY high sex drive.

Interestingly, my parents were good to me growing up (they were about the only people who were!), but I still feel that I am not mentally or emotionally equipped to handle children, and don't like being around them at all. I'm not one to be mean to them or anything, just rather avoid being around them.
 

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There is no cause. The more we seek for a cause, the more we perpetuate the reasoning that men and women with an inclination towards same-sex attraction are scientifically-challenged. Excuse my language, but what absolute bullshit!


Sorry for disagree with you but as a determist I dont believe in an simply thing in the universe that is free from causation. Even randoms event have a cause , a random event happen because something impulse it to happen . With the difference that the cause of random events arent strictly related to the effect but it has some relation.
 

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Sorry for disagree with you but as a determist I dont believe in an simply thing in the universe is free from causation. Even randoms event have a cause , a random event happen because something impulse it to happen . With the difference that the cause of random events arent strictly related to the effect but it has some relation.

So using your logic, what exactly is the cause for being 'straight'?

If everything has a 'cause' as you put it then there must be some study into this right?

There is no cause for homosexuality. I stand by that. It is not a malfunction that needs to be figured out and then fixed. It is what it is.
 

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So using your logic, what exactly is the cause for being 'straight'?

If everything has a 'cause' as you put it then there must be some study into this right?

There is no cause for homosexuality. I stand by that. It is not a malfunction that needs to be figured out and then fixed. It is what it is.
Human sexuality is very complicated , so I cant list you reasons or causes of being straight. I dont see knowing the cause of homosecuality as just to fix it . I dont see it as a malfuntion. Plenty of evidence indicate is natural . Homosexuality is documented in many animal species.
The hate and intolerance against homosexuals is because ignorance .
For this reason to me is important to know the causes , not to fix homosexuality but to understand it.
 

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This really attracted my attention. I don't know why. Because I'm gay, I've always wondered what caused it. It's never been a choice for me. I wasn't like the other boys when I was growing up. I hated getting dirty, I had no interest in toy trucks or cars. Even the television shows I watched as a kid were a bit odd.

As I got older, I could have sex with a woman but it just didn't feel right. I knew that I could only ever love a man.

Anyway, I recall something from my high school psychology class. According to Freud and Jung, the Oedipus Complex could be the cause of homosexuality. It's an interesting theory but I'm not sure if I agree with it.

Oedipus complex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's also the possibility that not having a father in my life could have caused my homosexuality. He wasn't in my life ever. So maybe having the unfulfilled need of a father figure in my life did something to me psychologically.

Or, it could be genetic. These are all just guesses. I just hope this question will be answered at some point in my life.
 

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Human sexuality is very complicated , so I cant list you reasons or causes of being straight. I dont see knowing the cause of homosecuality as just to fix it . I dont see it as a malfuntion. Plenty of evidence suggest is natural . Homosexuality is documented in many animal species.
The hate and intolerance against homosexuals is because ignorance .
For this reason to me is important to know the cause , not to fix homosexuality but to understand it.

You know what. You are not making absolute sense to me, I am sorry to say. I hear what you're saying but to understand ignorance you need to understand the ignoramus' background. The homosexual has nothing to do with his/her tormentors decision to inflict harm. Right?

Stating that there is evidence to suggest it is natural once again is unnecessary as far as I am concerned. Reason being there needn't have been studies in the first place if we all just understand that it is perfectly natural to be in a same-sex relationship. There is NO cause as far as I am concerned.

I don't want to put it down to anything other than genetics. So I guess if there were to be a cause it would be natural causes ... just like how people die of natural causes. Genetics baby!
 

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Couldn't something be natural but still have a cause? Floods are natural but are caused by heavy rain.
 

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You know what. You are not making absolute sense to me, I am sorry to say. I hear what you're saying but to understand ignorance you need to understand the ignoramus' background. The homosexual has nothing to do with his/her tormentors decision to inflict harm. Right?

Stating that there is evidence to suggest it is natural once again is unnecessary as far as I am concerned. Reason being there needn't have been studies in the first place if we all just understand that it is perfectly natural to be in a same-sex relationship. There is NO cause as far as I am concerned.

I don't want to put it down to anything other than genetics. So I guess if there were to be a cause it would be natural causes ... just like how people die of natural causes. Genetics baby!
To understand an event we must know the causes . The WHY of it.
 

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I am probably going to be drawn and quartered by many, but I do not subscribe to the concept that being gay is a state of being ,separate and apart from a state of being straight! My take on it is that gay is best described as a state of behaving, rather than a state of being! I personally feel that I was conditioned by society to behave the way I do and that there is probably little if any difference between me and most other guys!
Additionally, I strongly agree with Hotmilf's observation that desire to procreate and desire to have sex are two totally different things! There is probably no man alive with stronger sex drive and lower procreative drive than I possess!
 

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This really attracted my attention. I don't know why. Because I'm gay, I've always wondered what caused it. It's never been a choice for me. I wasn't like the other boys when I was growing up. I hated getting dirty, I had no interest in toy trucks or cars. Even the television shows I watched as a kid were a bit odd.

Hmmm... When I was a girl I loved getting dirty, and playing with toy trucks and cars! :biggrin1: I also liked sports and playing Army. I absolutely HATED "girl stuff". :mad:

I don't think childhood interests really have much to do with sexual orientation. In your case it developed as people may have predicted, but in my case it didn't. I was a tomboy who became a straight woman with no sexual interest in other women at all.
 

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Children are beasts!! That's why I have three! :biggrin1: (Haha.!Try that with Matt Damon. I'm betta than you, Invisibeyotch!!):rolleyes:

After having one kid, I couldn't sleep at night thinking to myself, Aaaah! What would happen if something happened to my first born?

Something in me "drove" me to have more kids, and no, I was never on welfare, so there was no financial gain to be had.

I believe that my sex drive and my drive to reproduce children were two completely different drives. Linked only out of necessity.

(So there, Darwin -- solve that one!)

I am not hating. I assure you. :smile:<==See? THeSe beady eyes don't lie.

I admire the maternal espirit and impetus. It was that spark of Cirque Du Soleil that essentially and physically brought me forth some decades ago.:rolleyes:

I understand compulsions. Homosexuality...and other sexual orientations...preferences...there are necessities. There are intentions.

I don't desire straight men...but only the cute unavailable ones. :wink: A lot of straight guys don't understand why homosexuality exists. (Even I do not have the answer.) I do not know why people desire certain things, people. It is mysterious...defies all logic. You like who you like. You do whatever drives you. Sexuality is necessary. It is passion. It is a purpose. With passion, you must have enthusiasm for it. Without passion and enthusiasm, life is dull as a knife.
 

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So what about bisexuality?

I hated getting dirty, but liked playing with cars. It's a tricky one, but I know for a fact I have 2 gay/bi cousins on my father's side, and my sister is bi as well. So that's 4/9 grandkids who are either gay or bi.
 

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In reality everything have a cause even random events .
David,
Modern Physics has described subatomic events as acausal. As such, only probabalistic treatments at that level seem to be useful. Naturally, you may assert that even those events must have a cause, but that would only be an opinion, not a proof.

As for milf's suggestions, I find them very interesting. It is true that there are over a thousand species in which some amount of homosexuality is exhibited.

I think the OP question is useful, since some people try to make the bogus claim that the uselessness of homosexuality in terms of reproduction would select it out of the species over time. The reference to non-reproducing genders in other species kills that theory right away.

I like the "hitch-hiking" metaphor of one of the posters. It is true that many physical traits can be traced to a single gene. If one of the traits of a gene is very valuable, that trait may outweigh the negative cost of one of the other traits, and cause it to be propagated down the line.

Sickle cell anemia is a good example of this. This is a birth defect that is related to a gene that profers malaria immunity on its bearer. In tropical climates, you find lots of sources of malaria and also a higher rate of sickle cell. The malaria immunity outweighs the sickle cell amemia.

This is not to imply that homosexuality is a disease. It only shows that if harmful traits "hitchhike" on valuable ones, certainly evolutionarily neutral traits like homosexuality could do so just as easily.

There are a number of theories on how homosexuality in pack animal species is prevalent. They suggest that it is a reaction to the fact that only the alpha male is allowed to reproduce in a pack.