Is it Illegal to knowingly spread HIV?

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So the story goes....

I have a friend who was recently in a sexual engagement with someone who did not tell them they had HIV and had bareback sex. He eventually came inside him after instructed not to and they got into a fight and he kicked the infected fellow out and as he left he said "Oh and by the way, I have HIV"

few months later the other person became infected.

Find that infect"or" and shoot him in the fucking head. That's what he deserves.

It's VERY illegal in many, MANY places to knowingly do that to a person. Attempted murder, attempted manslaughter, etc etc.
 

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The questions, and the conversation were both asking/saying about the same thing, "Was it REALLY that bad? / C'mon, it couldn't have been THAT bad." I also heard, "...but the drugs are better now (mine was only a couple years ago, but whatever)." I can only reiterate, for ME, it was physically horrific, and that doesn't even go into the mental anguish involved.
I just don't understand people some time. Trust me, any chronic disease, though it may be treatable, is no picnic. I have a couple of very treatable, though incurable, chronic illnesses which require me to take, at a minimum, 19 pills each day. And that's without adding vitamins and supplements. And I have it easy compared to a friend with HIV.

I really don't get these drug company ads either, with these buff windsurfing beauties. It reminds me of a commercial I saw twenty or thirty years ago. Two little girls were sitting on the steps talking about what they wanted for their birthday and one said "I want a box of OB tampons!" the other girl asked what they were, and first girl said "I don't know, but when you have them you can go horseback riding, and surfing and play tennis..."
 

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Like so many others, Novice, I really appreciate the candor of this thread. For those of us who lived through the period where massive numbers of friends died it is unimaginable that safety could slip now. Far from overreacting, you are recommending what is minimally sensible.

Thanks for reviving this thread. We all need to keep the issues on the table, and (for geezers like me) to remind our younger friends that HIV infection is not a thing of the past.
Well, again, thank Lex and jfrwdsflkcxv (I just can't remember the way that one goes :tongue: ) for talking me out of deleting it. Yeah, I hate to say, "kids today...", but it's true that there's a whole generation of men that died, are currently ill, or saw one, or both, of those things happen to countless other men around them. THEY know first hand how devastating this was. I don't know when the "height" of the crisis was, or when good meds started coming out to stabilize things, but consider that today's 18 yr old was born in 1988. By the time he was fully aware of the world around him, HIV was just a "manageable" illness, and didn't carry with it the weight of what the other men saw.

I just don't understand people some time. Trust me, any chronic disease, though it may be treatable, is no picnic. I have a couple of very treatable, though incurable, chronic illnesses which require me to take, at a minimum, 19 pills each day. And that's without adding vitamins and supplements. And I have it easy compared to a friend with HIV.

I really don't get these drug company ads either, with these buff windsurfing beauties. It reminds me of a commercial I saw twenty or thirty years ago. Two little girls were sitting on the steps talking about what they wanted for their birthday and one said "I want a box of OB tampons!" the other girl asked what they were, and first girl said "I don't know, but when you have them you can go horseback riding, and surfing and play tennis..."
That's exactly the point that a lot of people seem to miss. Yes, it's a "manageable" or "treatable" illness, but it's STILL just that, an ILLNESS. In the case of HIV, why do something that's going to cause you to have to "manage" or "treat" anything, every day for the rest of your life? I'm not at all trying to put words in your mouth, but I guess more ask, if it isn't infuriating to see perfectly healthy people, basically, throw away that health, when you had no choice in the matter.

OK, on a lighter note, c'mon, the tampon part was FUNNY!!! :biggrin1:
 

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I'm not at all trying to put words in your mouth, but I guess more ask, if it isn't infuriating to see perfectly healthy people, basically, throw away that health, when you had no choice in the matter.
I wouldn't say infuriating, because I do believe there are no punishments or rewards, only consequences. People make their own mistakes, but I am annoyed that "kids now days" have bought into the treatable illness mindset to the point where they aren't taking as many precautions.

Yes, for many people it is no longer an automatic death sentence, and HIV positive people should absolutely continue living their lives, but for the people who believe it is a life even remotely as free from restrictions and limitations as a non sero-converted life, they are seriously misinformed.

OK, on a lighter note, c'mon, the tampon part was FUNNY!!! :biggrin1:
I think it may have actually won a Clio - it certainly was featured in the "Best Adverstising of the Year" festival.
 

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Again, based on decency and morals, it SEEMS very cut and dry to us, but to the police, courts, and lawyers, it's a totally different story. Of the lawyers that I've asked, all of them (admittedly just 4 friends that I asked in passing, and by no means scientific) said, "Eeesh, yeah, that's a tough one, I mean there COULD be a case, but I don't know if I'd take it," for a long list of reasons.

You'd have to get a police officer to take you seriously, and actually file a report. You'd have to find a lawyer to find "merit" and actually take your case. You'd have to find a judge that wouldn't dismiss it as "frivolous". Finally, you'd have to find a jury, that after seeing the "allowable" evidence, hearing the allowed lines of questioning, receiving specific and directed jury instruction, would still find for the victim. It's not impossible, but it would be VERY difficult.

Let me put it this way... Considering how many people are still being infected daily, how often do you hear about one of these cases? Yes, you might be able to come up with one or two anecdotal, or even landmark, cases over the past several YEARS, but if these cases were easy to bring, you'd hear about a few of them on every single installation of the nightly news.
 

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In response to an earlier post ... starting Jan 1 2007 all states and territories must use a name-based reporting system for all positive HIV infections. There is considerable debate on the subject but states that refuse to do so will lose federal money.
 

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In response to an earlier post ... starting Jan 1 2007 all states and territories must use a name-based reporting system for all positive HIV infections. There is considerable debate on the subject but states that refuse to do so will lose federal money.
Hey, can you post where we can read up on this?