Is it Racism or Elitism?

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  1. midlifebear

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    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]How racism works:[/FONT]
    1. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review?[/FONT]
    2. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?[/FONT]
    3. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do" to?[/FONT]
    4. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?[/FONT]
    5. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?[/FONT]
    6. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?[/FONT]
    7. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Obama were a member of the "Keating 5"?[/FONT]
    8. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.[/FONT]

     
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    Good for 10-15 point lead.
     
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    This election is, of course, is a racist's dream-come-true. Bigots get to bad mouth Obama and vote against him while innocently claiming they're only doing so "on the issues."
     
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    This could hurt obama politically.
    Fuck the race card, its there, but don't be a Palin about it.
     
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    Personally, I don't have any good palindromes. (Yuck, yuck, yuck) But my post on racism/elitism was something that an old friend who serves as a minister to a flock of approximately 400 members of the Church of the Perky Attitude sent me a couple of hours ago. (Actually he's a Christian reverend who ministers in the Church of Religious Science.) But the reversal test it presents sort of makes a good case regarding the Obama baiter/haters.

    My long-suffering-lesbian-documentary-film-maker cousin in the States also sent me an e-mail in which she relayed her experience while refinancing her mortgage in Ewetaw. The loan officer at the bank was bending my cousin's ear about Obama being a Muslim and having received "millions of dollars from Arabia!" This from a bank employee charged with adding, subtracting, and making character judgments based upon someone's credit worthyness to dispense a loan? It's a good thing they didn't hire the loan officer to think.
     
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    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]How racism works:[/FONT]

    1. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? (What if Barack Obama spent 6 years as a POW and behaved heroically?)[/FONT]
    2. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? (What if McCain had a Priest that was a prominent member of the KKK?)[/FONT]
    3. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said "I do" to? (I don't see how race plays into this statement. It isn't a good thing for McCain but it wouldn't be worse for Obama, trust me on that)[/FONT]
    4. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards? (What if McCain said that he would hope that his daughters would be burdened with a "mistake" when referring to a baby?)[/FONT]
    5. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? (What if Cindy made statements that made her sound less than proud of America? And why isn't anyone making a big deal out of Obama's admissions of drug "experimenting"? Is it because he is black?)[/FONT]
    6. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? (Well since Cindy and Michelle are not running for president, I can see why graduating from harvard and having pain killer addictions don't seem to be big chips here. I don't think Cindy graduating from Harvard and Michelle having a history of pain killer adiction would have played out much different.)[/FONT]
    7. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if Obama were a member of the "Keating 5"? (Obama has pretty strong ties to a domestic terrorist and is friends with convicts, and a racist, anti-American pastor that married him. He has gotten through that even though he is a black man, and if he had McCain's roll in the Keating 5, he would have been exonorated also. I just don't see the racism like you do.)[/FONT]
    8. [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker? (I'll tell you why race has nothing to do with it here: America is a right leaning country, period. If Obama was a conservative with all of the typical conservative values, he would beat any Democrat Nominee, including Bill Clinton himself, 75%-25%. Let me put it this way - it takes a very special character in very special times for America to vote for a Liberal over a Conservative.)[/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]That being said, I think your assertions of racism in this election are in your own imagination. It doesn't surprise me. Liberals, especially black liberals have been taught to be victims so that your masters can keep you in check and to keep them in power. It saddens me to see it but facts are facts.[/FONT]
     
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    Facts are facts? As perception of fact is perception. PULEASE ...
     
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    No doubt racism will play a part in the elections. I'm NOT saying that anyone who supports McCain is racist; race is not the only factor involved. But there is good reason to believe that if both candidates were white, the poll results would be different. Even so, the fact that a black man was able to be nominated and has a good chance to become president indicates that we have made considerably progress in race relations, even though racism is still a significant problem.

    If Obama is elected and does a good job as president, surely there would be an improvement in race relations, but even that would not totally eliminate the problems.
     
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    But what is a 'good job'? The neos and consevatives NEVER to this day admit Clinton did a good job. In fact no democrat in modern times has done a good job. Period. The American people no longer respond to facts, they respond to perceptions and emotions. As the country spirals down the tubes in this idealogical civil war no one cares enough to say 'enough'.

    Racial Views May Cost Obama Election
     
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    You make a good point.

    Our culture has changed in the last 20 years or so. It used to be that people tried to find common ground. Now they try to find ways to disagree, regardless of how much they have to twist, distort, and misinterpret what others say to do so. Good manners have gone out the window. Name calling has become socially acceptable. It seems that we have regressed to the grade school level.

    I wonder whether it would help if Emily Post's book were required reading.
     
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    And what of racism if Barack Obama wins? To be honest everyone's a bit racist hell you take pride in your own race don't you? What I hate is when ppl try to emulate a race that they aren't a part of. Like Whites acting black or ghetto anyone for that matter. Or for that matter ppl who claim to be part this and part that, when they look white or black or brown or whatever. When ever someone thinks that I'm a race that I'm not I always correct them. I'm proud of the race that I am. Don't get me wrong, when ppl take racialism too far that is just wrong and is a real shame.
     
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    I resent the fact that you seem to make being "Ghetto" synonymous with being or acting "Black".Just as with people of any race , black people are not monolithic. Much of the behavior you may refer to as "Ghetto" is socio economically driven. The culture of certain areas is driven by socio economics and the peculiar pathologies of such.
     
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    I meant all races that act Getto weather they are Black, Hispanic, Oriental,American Indian etc... it just doesn't portray Intelligence to me.
     
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    Fuck all races.

    Fuck all "African -americans, all Italo-americans, all Latino-Americans...

    All conservative americans- all liberal americans...

    Fuck em all..

    We are knee deep in shit...
    Time to step up and make your stand...

    I am an American- Just that... no hyphen.


    You want to be proud of your heritage?

    DO SOMETHING to make America a place to be proud of.
     
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    LOL what do you suggest that would do any good now?
     
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    Sent to me by a friend.


    [FONT='Franklin Gothic Medium','sans-serif'][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/FONT][/FONT]

    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....[/FONT]





    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If you grow up in Hawaii, raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic, different.'
    Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American story.[/FONT]






    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
    Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you're a maverick.[/FONT]






    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
    Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.[/FONT]






    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.

    If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive.[/FONT]





    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.

    If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.[/FONT]






    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

    If,[/FONT]
    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif'] [/FONT][FONT='Arial','sans-serif']while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you're very responsible.[/FONT]





    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work=2 0for the betterment of her inner city community, and then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America's.[/FONT]

    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.[/FONT]





    [FONT='Arial','sans-serif']OK, much clearer now.[/FONT]

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    End affiliation
    End racial divides and racial agendas
    End xenophobia

    Equalize all citizens

    FORCE discussion of ACTUAL national agendas and force honest and PROOF based discussion of what can and what can not work.

    End dogma and replace it with reason.

    Everyone should adopt a rational approach to all public discourse.

    The mission statement from now on...

    " I don't give a fuck what you believe- what can you demonstrate?"
     
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    It all makes UK politics look clean and honourable.
     
  19. FRE

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    The problem is that your suggestions make too much sense. People don't want that. They want simplicity and solutions that can be expressed in short sound bites. They want labels, such an liberal and conservative, because they believe that if a candidate is thus labeled, they know all they need to know about him. It makes things so much easier and eliminates the need to think.

    Quite honesty, I am disgusted with the American public. They make it almost impossible for an honest candidate to become elected. To become elected, a candidate has to persuade people of antithical interests and viewpoints that he is in the side of everyone.
     
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    Ultimately a country gets the government it deserves. Americans simply do not pay attention and they want short one sentence answers and slogans (drill here drill now) to every problem. If it thinks it stinks. Politicians sense this and give the public what they want. The media senses it too and abdicates their duty as a check on politicians for the sake of ratings and money. Short term slogans to long term problems never really position the country well, in fact they can be disasterous. Business only cares about the next quarter and government only cares about the next election. The country is doomed.
     
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