Is it time to Disband the Dept of Homeland Security?

[maxcok]

Actually was sober for once in my life, trying to view as much as I could of Mark Sanchez' tight end, review some reports, and review some SMA ratios.

:wink: riiiiight . . . anyway, fixed it fer ya.

Do your right-wing fundamentalist armageddonist kristchun friends know you like to look at tight ends?

And, BTW, Obama is still a Muslim. 1:

So the antichrist is pursuing a radical "Muslim agenda"? Who knew?

 

[Calboner]

I hope he is a nuclear armed jihadist. And I hope during the next State of the Union he presses the little button to set off his narco-radiated islamofascist mushroom cloud suicide vest built from Nigerian yellow cake and saddam's in-fact aluminum tubes placed south, east west and north somewhat.

You forgot to mention that it would be made in Kenya, the country of his birth.

 

[slurper_la]

...I think police officers or whomever should walk around and ask people who look suspicious for ID's just because they look suspicious...

good luck with that. let us know how it feels when they stop you!

 

[Calboner]

good luck with that. let us know how it feels when they stop you!

for having suspiciously large boobies.

 

[MercyfulFate]

It was useless from the start, so yes.

 

[earllogjam]

bump

 

[parr]

I want to get my news reports from Uranus. :wink:

Clever Max.:biggrin1:

 

[parr]

“The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,” said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV. (emphasis added) That could explain why Obama has instructed that the term “Islamic extremism” no longer be used in official government
documents and statements.
...
the US Congress considers Obama’s behavior toward Netanyahu humiliating. Three-quarters of the House of Representatives, 337 of 435 members,
signed a bipartisan letter to Clinton expressing“deep concern over recent tension” between the two countries, and demanding that it be smoothed over quickly and in private. “Obama is a real problem for Israel,” a senior
official told told Yediot. “He is Israel’s biggest strategic catastrophe.”

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/Portals/0/May2010.pdf



We know that Gheit met with Obama in April 2010 in D.C. -- check out White House.gov, which lists Gheit as one of the attendees of a "Nuclear Security Summit" at that time. And they met more than once. Gheit had a private meeting with Obama in May 2009.


How plausible is Gheit's reported claim about Obama? Let's review Obama's track record:

• March 2009: Obama declares the "war on terror" is over, despite a dramatic increase in jihad war ops.
• March 2009: he floats the idea that he will talk to violent, genocidal Hamas.
• March 2009: he demands that more Muslim Americans work in the Obama administration and insists that they be recruited.
• April 2009: Obama tells Europe to admit Islamic Turkey into the EU, much to the consternation of the Europeans.
• April 2009: Obama demands that non-Muslims respect Islam (despite our differences) in a speech in Turkey.
• April 2009: Obama says in a speech from Turkey, "We are not a Christian nation."
• April 2009: Dalia Mogahed, the first hijab-clad senior adviser to Obama on Muslim affairs, says in an interview with terrorist- and jihad-supporting Sheik Yusuf Qaradawi's website, "Many have claimed that terrorists have 'hijacked Islam.' I disagree. I think Islam is safe and thriving in the lives of Muslims around the world. What the terrorists have been allowed to take over are Muslim grievances."
• April 2009: Obama lays groundwork for a partnership with Hamas.
• May 2009: Obama promises to offer his "personal commitment" to Muslims.
• May 2009: Obama calls America "one of the largest Muslim countries on the planet."
• June 2009: Obama invites the Muslim Brotherhood, a violent global jihadist group whose sole objective is a universal caliphate, to his speech to the ummah (Muslim community) in Cairo.
• June 2009: Obama makes a stunning speech to the Muslim world from Al Azhar University in Cairo. It defies explanation.
• July 2009: Obama reaches out to the violent jihadists of Hezb'allah.
• July 2009: Obama creates a new office at the State Department, Outreach to the Worldwide Muslim community, reporting directly to Hillary Clinton.
• July 2009: TheState Department Welcomes Hamas mouthpiece Al-Quds TV to D.C. to filmpPropaganda.
• Obama promises to close GITMO.
• Obama is rebuked when plans are revealed for CIA prosecutions for 911 interrogations: Seven Ex-chiefs of CIA Oppose Case Review: ALL Sign letter to Stop CIA Persecutions.
• In July 2009, Obama sanctions the brutal crackdown of those marching for freedom in Iran and sides with the mullahcracy. He stands silent about the Iranian regime's mass executions, mass rape, and murder.
• July 2009: Obama plans to slash the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
• September 2009: Former U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. John Bolton on Obama at the U.N.: "This is the most radical anti-Israel speech I can recall any president making...I have to say I was very shaken by this speech."
• October 2009: Obama offers millions in Muslim technology fund.
• November 2009, Fort Hood Jihad Coverup: Obama Urges Congress To Put Off Fort Hood Probe, Warns Against Turning Tragedy Into "Political Theater"
• November 2009: Obama offers the Taliban control of the Kandahar, Helmand, Oruzgan, Kunar, and Nuristan provinces, in return for a halt to the Taliban missile attacks on U.S. bases.
• November 2009: Obama reaches out to bloodthirsty jihadis in the Philippines.
• On Thanksgiving eve, Obama issues a special Hajj message to the world's Muslims.
• December 2009: Obama's "Non-Religious" White House Christmas and No Christmas Gifts for his Kids.
• February 2010: Obama names a Hafiz to the Organization of the Islamic Conference. "And as a hafiz of the Koran, [Hussain] is a respected member of the American Muslim community," Obama said in his message to the Doha meeting, using the Arabic world for someone who has memorized the Islamic holy book.
• February 2010: Obama cuts U.S. space program, orders NASA to work with Muslim countries
• February 2010: Covering up for jihadists in the White House.
• Obama's counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, Involved in Obama Passport Breach
• March 2010: Obama Obsession with Islam: Calls "entrepreneurship summit" with Muslims.
• April 2010: Libyan President Gaddafi Praises Obama: "Barakeh Obama is friend"; "He is of Muslim descent, his policy should be supported..."
• May 2010: Obama's Counterterrorism Adviser Calls Jihad "Legitimate Tenet of Islam."
• May 2010: White House Pro-Terrorism John Brennan Speechifies in Arabic, Equates Terrorists with Shoplifters, Lawmakers Call for his Firing.
• June 2010: Obama equivocates on the jihad warship convoy (affectionately named a "flotilla" by the media): Obama "Expressed a Deep Regret Over Loss of [Jihadist] Life"
• June 2010: Obama administration to Support Anti-Israel Resolution at U.N.

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American Thinker: Report: Obama said 'I Am a Muslim'

This is unbelievable.

 

[midlifebear]

Nick of the sixes is a ill. He needs help. It would be nice if he gets it sooner than later, but he'll probably end up doing something socially reprehensible (cause harm -- mental or physical) to someone or a gathering of innocent folks attending a function of some sort. It's a very sad situation for people in his situation. We should wish him well, those who pray should pray for him, and we all should hope for the best.

 

[phillyhangin]

This is unbelievable.

Yes, truly unbelievable since most of it comes from a blog called "atlasshrugs" or some such (based on the web address of the links). My favorite article title begins "A Depraved Obama..." Any article that starts that way can hardly be said to be objective and thus should not be taken seriously.

 

[parr]

Yes, truly unbelievable since most of it comes from a blog called "atlasshrugs" or some such (based on the web address of the links). My favorite article title begins "A Depraved Obama..." Any article that starts that way can hardly be said to be objective and thus should not be taken seriously.

Maybe to be not taken seriously. My question is simply this, can we
afford to totally ignore this article.

 

[B_Nick4444]

Nick of the sixes is a ill. He needs help. It would be nice if he gets it sooner than later, but he'll probably end up doing something socially reprehensible (cause harm -- mental or physical) to someone or a gathering of innocent folks attending a function of some sort. It's a very sad situation for people in his situation. We should wish him well, those who pray should pray for him, and we all should hope for the best.

actually I'm fine, and gleeful that the trends I have been forecasting all along are actualizing in the real world, and the lib fantasies are dissolving

I do not have time to respond now to the many wondrously jejune lib postures and retorts I have left unanswered, but as time allows .... :biggrin1:

 

[B_Nick4444]

Maybe to be not taken seriously. My question is simply this, can we
afford to totally ignore this article.

no

and, it would be more accurate to say the facts and events were SUMMARIZED at the blog from actual events occurring through the span of the immigrant's occupation of the White House

to say that they "were taken from the blog" is tendentious, and in line with the lib strategy to respond with ad hominem attacks, rather than discuss the factual basis, or analyze

 

[B_VinylBoy]

Oh boy... here we go again!

 

[parr]

Oh boy... here we go again!

Mr. Vinyl, I know you have reservations with this, but I value you're
thoughts, what are they.

 

[At.your.cervix]

While I'm no big fan of what King George the 2nd did while on his throne, creating the department of Homeland security wasn't such a bad idea. At the time, one of our greatest vulnerabilities from Islamic terrorism, or Chinese cyberwarfare as far as that goes, was that each of our various intelligence and police organizations were operating independantly, and not sharing information with each other, cuasing tragic inefficiencies--just think of that lost FBI report from the Minnestoa flight school which turned away one of the 9/11 hijackers wanting to just learn how to take off a jet, and not how to land it.

The Department of Homeland Security was designed to act like a big corpus callosum, integrating the thinking, and actions, of the diverse police and intelligence entities, with a director who was over the heads of each unit. While this hasn't eliminated interagency turf battles, it has reduced it a bit; and the DHS has improved the sharing of information within the intelligence agencies.

Unfortunately, it has also been quite obviously too tied to the political aspects of government, often acting in what appeared to be for political goals, and not for the security of our citizens. Just remember all of those conveniently timed orange alert levels near each federal elections.

So I say, let's keep the DHS, but revamp it to have greater political autonomy and efficiency.

 

[parr]

While I'm no big fan of what King George the 2nd did while on his throne, creating the department of Homeland security wasn't such a bad idea. At the time, one of our greatest vulnerabilities from Islamic terrorism, or Chinese cyberwarfare as far as that goes, was that each of our various intelligence and police organizations were operating independantly, and not sharing information with each other, cuasing tragic inefficiencies--just think of that lost FBI report from the Minnestoa flight school which turned away one of the 9/11 hijackers wanting to just learn how to take off a jet, and not how to land it.

The Department of Homeland Security was designed to act like a big corpus callosum, integrating the thinking, and actions, of the diverse police and intelligence entities, with a director who was over the heads of each unit. While this hasn't eliminated interagency turf battles, it has reduced it a bit; and the DHS has improved the sharing of information within the intelligence agencies.

Unfortunately, it has also been quite obviously too tied to the political aspects of government, often acting in what appeared to be for political goals, and not for the security of our citizens. Just remember all of those conveniently timed orange alert levels near each federal elections.

So I say, let's keep the DHS, but revamp it to have greater political autonomy and efficiency.

If the DHS disbanded , we would be left wide open for all threats.

 

[vince]

&#8220;The American President told me in confidence that he is a Muslim,&#8221; said Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit on Nile TV. (emphasis added) That could explain why Obama... blah, blah, <snip>

So let's see the video of Ahmet Aboul Gheit saying that on Nile TV. Not someone saying they "heard" that he said it, or "read" it somewhere, a la Donald Trump. The actually video please.

If Ahmed Aboul Gheit said that on a state-owned Egyptian satellite TV network, there would be a video of it somewhere and the right wing, extremist/birther movement in the USA would have found it by now.

So let us see it. Otherwise I call bullshit.

 

[B_24065]

Created under George W Bush as a direct response to the 911 attacks, it was meant to catch terrorists and prevent acts of terrorism from occurring on US soil. The reality has been that there aren't enough terrorists to keep the third largest cabinet department with 200,000 employees busy.

IMO it's a huge waste of money considering their scope of work and job duties are mirror not just by one other govermental agency but several, CIA, FBI, Secret Service, Armed Forces Intelligence, Office of Inspector General, & INS.

Homeland Security are doing jobs like busting illegal Chinese massage parlors. Something usually relegated to local police departments and a sign that they really have nothing of consequence related to catching terrorists in America to do. Honestly, what exactly do 200,000 Homeland Security employees do when the 100 terrorist suspects are rounded up and deported? They just waste more money we don't have.

Is it time to eliminate this cabinet department filled with 200,000 overpaid bureaucrats which frankly has no track record nor achievements to justify their existence? Are we just being manipulated by fear to justify their existence regarless of what little they contribute to the safety of this country? Why do we pay for so many redundancies in intelligence gathering when our economy and country is fast dropping rungs in economic prosperity and standards of living?

Of Course!!!! Because UBL was the only person alive that wanted to destroy this country.....stupid mother fckers.....

 

[B_VinylBoy]

It's really amazing how people choose to live in fear.
There will always be some crackshot that "wants to destroy the country". Most of them couldn't even knock down a pin in a bowling alley with a wrecking ball. The few that could actually pose a threat can be dealt with using things such as careful intelligence gathering and authorities that actually pay attention to it. We don't need the Department of Homeland Security. In fact, we never needed it.