Like most whores, she's merely in it for the money. Correct. But after her career as a high class prostitute, she became a media madame, here in the Low Countries.
You don't think that's all for money too? I do.
She has been "teaching" about sex on tv, all the time. She appears to be quite intelligent, and does indeed have a very long history of sexual observation.
So does Robyn Byrd, and ex porn star. I used to work for her, and she's completely out of touch with reality. She smells like patchouli, bathed in patchouli. This is even more true for "Dr." Susan Block, more familiar to those on the west coast. I worked for her too, and she's a money-grubbing cunt. I've had my fill of contact with that type. They really will say anything to keep the interest of those who might spend money with them. It's all about staying in character, and selling the fantasy. I've had no contact with Ms. Hollander, but the business model is the same.
Apparently, she visited (and organised) hundreds of sex parties in the 70s, 80s and 90s. Now that she's older, she lives together with some women (she has a lesbian streak), and again, she occasionally organises orgies.
Now she really sounds like Susan Block. If you're a hot young woman, and you are attracted to her, you can be one of her personal assistants, and she'll give you room and board, and you can earn actual cash by doing phone sex... uh... I mean sex therapy by phone.
I've been to sex clubs and BDSM clubs. I didn't exactly have my face in the face of women who were getting dicked. It's not considered polite. I doubt she did either.
So I think she has more useful experience than most of us. Doesn't make her a scientist with facts on paper, though.
If you'd had hundreds more sexual partners, and your experiences continued to be varied (which they surely would be) you'd still be trying to make her lame over-generalization become the truth. And we'd still tell you you were allowing yourself to be deluded.
Sure, good foreplay (or even the idea of foreplay coming), can make a woman become wet. A vagina has to be wet to allow penetration, so it's probably nature doing its thing.
This answers your question.
No, most became wet before too. But especially, or most extremely, during climax(es).
Think about your experiences. Did every single woman become extremely wet during every single climax? Are they, even in your limited experience always 100% inextricable?
Indeed, that's why I gave the example. (My version of saying: "all women are different". But apparently some people here didn't even read that example.)
No, we read it and were incredulous that you still had a question. Some of us just cannot wrap our heads around the fact that your experience contained an answer, and you believe a fantasy over your own cock.
Nah, I'm with you on that one. But the phrase in the book seemed quite genuinely informative, not meant to arouse or excite.
I never said she was bad at selling fantasy. :biggrin1:
So that's what gave me the idea to come and check here on the message board. Is it true what Mrs X Hollander said in that chapter?
No.
In any case, maybe we can conclude that there is no definite way to know whether a woman has orgasmed or not.
And really, no need. I mean, at some point, women need to take responsibility for their own pleasure. A woman who always lies about her orgasms or lack thereof is basically asking for a permanent state of disappointment. She deserves what she gets. Who knows? Maybe she's satisfied, and just can't ever climax. But if she keeps lying, she'll also never find out. If a woman tells you she came, just believe her.
The thing is that I like it when a woman becomes very wet. Since reading Xaviera Hollander's book, I thought: "djee, I've been such a fantastic sex athlete, because it means that all these women orgasmed!" I will subdue my enthusiasm a bit, after reading all the messages here.
You should look for a combination of tell-tale signs, all of which you've probably already observed, and also not be afraid to ask if you're giving her what she wants, and if there's anything she wants differently. As Gillette pointed out, you should bring this up at a time when this won't disrupt the intimacy. Meanwhile, a mature woman should be speaking up about her needs if they haven't been met. And frankly, if she's not, who cares? You do your best, and have a great time. As for your sex-athlete ego, stroke it in honest ways. Lying to yourself is a waste of time. Or at least, don't expect me to lie to you too.
But still: to be wet or not to be, that's my question.
I prefer to be wet! I always am, whether I've climaxed or not.
) Being wet might indicate she is having fun, like enjoying you and into having sex with you, but it's not because she's orgasmed. Ask her what turns her on. You might get some really, really good answers.
