Is life over for gays in america?

[deleted37010]

No, it is no self. The self is an illusion, it doesn't exist. That's what they believe. Doesn't make it so.

perhaps since you don't practice buddhism and i do... you can't imagine the deeper truths and concepts i embrace...(like anatta)?
as a practicing buddhist... i thank you for trying to correct me... and trying to tell me what i believe
as an aside... socially....for many...that's not considered polite... nor is it considered appropriate to tell others that you know more than them about their religious beliefs and the words used in their religion.
meaning since you aren't buddhist... you shouldn't tell a buddhist you know more than them about buddhism... or that they are wrong about their understanding of their beliefs....
generally... you shouldn't try to correct another person about how they view and practice their religion... especially if you don't practice that religion........that's just egocentric and silly and will come across as an asshole move...

here are two specific examples where my faith text states anatta very clearly:
this is the exact english translation...not my attempt to translate

"all dharmas are not-Self (an-atta)"

"the anatta teaching is not a doctrine of no-self, but a not-self strategy for shedding suffering by letting go of its cause, leading to the highest, undying happiness."

hope this helps!

 

[Brodie888]

if they just had legible signs telling me who was a troll... who was a zombie... and who was a person
LOL

OMG it's pretty clear. Perhaps they could make flashing neon boxes around their posts to help people though lol

 

[Titanomachina]

AKA, people with a different opinion than you.

Anyone who thinks differently will try to convince you towards their worldview to avoid questioning their own.

perhaps since you don't practice buddhism and i do... you can't imagine the deeper truths and concepts i embrace...(like anatta)?
as a practicing buddhist... i thank you for trying to correct me... and trying to tell me what i believe
as an aside... socially....for many...that's not considered polite... nor is it considered appropriate to tell others that you know more than them about their religious beliefs and the words used in their religion.
meaning since you aren't buddhist... you shouldn't tell a buddhist you know more than them about buddhism... or that they are wrong about their understanding of their beliefs....
generally... you shouldn't try to correct another person about how they view and practice their religion... especially if you don't practice that religion........that's just egocentric and silly and will come across as an asshole move...

here are two specific examples where my faith text states anatta very clearly:
this is the exact english translation...not my attempt to translate

"all dharmas are not-Self (an-atta)"

"the anatta teaching is not a doctrine of no-self, but a not-self strategy for shedding suffering by letting go of its cause, leading to the highest, undying happiness."

hope this helps!

Generally incorrect people when they are wrong regardless of what they say. Nothing worse then wrong information.

You said it yourself, faith. Meaning no proof or evidence of it. You also don't have to be a Buddhist to know about the religion, let alone more than someone who claims to follow without knowing its core beliefs.

Ultimately it states that the self is an illusion and doesn't exist, and the religion is focused on cutting the roots that bind one to that illusion. They just tell you there is ego in the beginning because it's hard to imagine existence without it at that point in time. Kind of like being asleep without waking. If you're going to correct you better come correct or shut up.

You also might want to try this concept called punctuation and grammar.

Ultimately Buddhism is just another religion claiming truth without proof or evidence and isn't willing to argue about it because it views such questions as "ego" (despite what Buddha himself might have said regarding the matter).

 

[Titanomachina]

OMG it's pretty clear. Perhaps they could make flashing neon boxes around their posts to help people though lol

Funny how people are so hung up on confirmation bias that they want to call anyone who disagrees with them a troll.

 

[deleted37010]

You also might want to try this concept called punctuation and grammar.

Nothing worse then wrong information.

emphasis mine
yes, ms. mary

 

[HotBulge]

No, you are behaving like a troll because you are hijacking a thread aimed primarily at gay men (but the LGBT community, in general). This thread is an open-ended discussion on how the LGBT community can survive potential political and civil rights threats from an anti-LGBT Trump administration. You, however, throw out inflammatory responses which basically reduce down to the following: "I [Titanomachina] am not personally affected by perceived anti-LGBT threats, therefore the problem does not exist".

[WRONG, by the way! For example, the Michigan state government immorally forced the residents of Flint Michigan to consume tainted water for at least 2 years, leading to elevated levels of lead poisoning in children. You don't live in Flint, Michigan and don't drink its water; it doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist. Another example -- the dictator of Syria has bombed and leveled the Syrian city of Aleppo, including the destruction of the city's hospitals, creating a huge humanitarian crisis. Just because you don't live in Syria, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. So by analogy, you may or may not have a stake in the Trump administrations anti-LGBT stance, but you have no justification to deny a threat to millions of other LGBT people because you don't relate to the prob

You are welcome to start your own "the world exists only for Titanomachina" thread. Some sympathetic souls may be willing to provide you with advice and to work through your personal issues. The purpose of THIS thread is NOT to become subject experts in the vain, elusive, self-serving identity of Titanomachina.

Funny how people are so hung up on confirmation bias that they want to call anyone who disagrees with them a troll.

 

[Titanomachina]

No, you are behaving like a troll because you are hijacking a thread aimed primarily at gay men (but the LGBT community, in general). This thread is an open-ended discussion on how the LGBT community can survive potential political and civil rights threats from an anti-LGBT Trump administration. You, however, throw out inflammatory responses which basically reduce down to the following: "I [Titanomachina] am not personally affected by perceived anti-LGBT threats, therefore the problem does not exist".

[WRONG, by the way! For example, the Michigan state government immorally forced the residents of Flint Michigan to consume tainted water for at least 2 years, leading to elevated levels of lead poisoning in children. You don't live in Flint, Michigan and don't drink its water; it doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist. Another example -- the dictator of Syria has bombed and leveled the Syrian city of Aleppo, including the destruction of the city's hospitals, creating a huge humanitarian crisis. Just because you don't live in Syria, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist. So by analogy, you may or may not have a stake in the Trump administrations anti-LGBT stance, but you have no justification to deny a threat to millions of other LGBT people because you don't relate to the prob

You are welcome to start your own "the world exists only for Titanomachina" thread. Some sympathetic souls may be willing to provide you with advice and to work through your personal issues. The purpose of THIS thread is NOT to become subject experts in the vain, elusive, self-serving identity of Titanomachina.

I'm not saying the problem doesn't exist, just that it's not as major as people might think it is. We already have too much sensationalism on the internet. But you are also right in that it doesn't affect me.

 

[winesthel945]

I'm not saying the problem doesn't exist, just that it's not as major as people might think it is. We already have too much sensationalism on the internet. But you are also right in that it doesn't affect me.

Every time you say that it doesn't affect you, I hear Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

[Titanomachina]

The problems you listed are actual problems that can't wait. Gay rights can.

 

[Titanomachina]

Every time you say that it doesn't affect you, I hear Martin Niemöller:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

See I hear that, and it never applies to reality.

 

[HotBulge]

You may be skeptical about the severity of the situation, but you don't have the right to invalidate the experiences of an entire class of people. You also seem to ignore a mountain of evidence from credible sources - Washington Post, NYtimes, Boston Globe articles, etc - which demonstrate a rather hostile anti-LGBT stance which Trump's cabinet members have taken. We have provided you direct anto-LGBT quotes from Trumps officials and cited evidence where THEY have spent millions on anti-LGBT, political campaigns in the last 16 years.

I'm not saying the problem doesn't exist, just that it's not as major as people might think it is. We already have too much sensationalism on the internet. But you are also right in that it doesn't affect me.

 

[deleted37010]

the election of trump heralded a reawakening.... a flashback to a time and space that embraced openly hating gays....

picture it... lakeland florida... 1995... i was 20yo

during that time in my life....to myself and outwardly to others...i spoke very poorly about the gays... restating all of those words my mother had used to describe the queers... a mantra of hate if you will... trying to protect myself and my internal image of self

i remember sneaking out of my dorm... at a pentecostal bible college in lakeland... to drive to tampa... so i could go to traxx (a gay dance club in tampa).... i stood in a long line outside of traxx... petrified of being seen....caught... and petrified about what was going on inside traxx.... i was desperate and confused... about myself and others

today traxx is no longer a gay dance club.... it's a gay bathhouse
i transferred out of that no name bible college in nowhere florida... i did my post grad studies at harvard....
i've been legally married to a man for over a decade

all beings arise dependent on previous causes and conditions... their constituent pieces.... and on consciousness

i am a fierce queen because i was shown tolerance and compassion from my gay brothers and sisters.... as i worked through the filth i had spent my entire life absorbing and spewing at other gay men and women

ms. mary will grow and evolve... in an atmosphere of hate it's much easier to identify with the haters and not be the hated
i choose tolerance and compassion for our broken brothers and sisters during this time... especially during this time

 

[chrisrobin]

You may be skeptical about the severity of the situation, but you don't have the right to invalidate the experiences of an entire class of people. You also seem to ignore a mountain of evidence from credible sources - Washington Post, NYtimes, Boston Globe articles, etc - which demonstrate a rather hostile anti-LGBT stance which Trump's cabinet members have taken. We have provided you direct anto-LGBT quotes from Trumps officials and cited evidence where THEY have spent millions on anti-LGBT, political campaigns in the last 16 years.

In The Rocky Horror Show there's a song that goes
Just a swing to the left
just a swing to the right.....
and that's what will happen from the Trumps administration, any gay right actions on the board will go along with women's rights, don't think its just going to be an anti gay government, you wont be able to have even a tinge of brown in your family tree forget anything.
What you have to do is strip to the waist, ride a horse through a frozen river and that'll be fine, the Trump image of an all American

 

[HotBulge]

NO, "Gay Rights" cannot wait - as you claim. If we claim that the fundamental role of government is to provide its citizens with equal protection under the law, as we do with the US Constitution, then (1) the government is REQUIRED to protect our rights equally. The constitution does not establish the LGBT community as second class citizens. (2) A rational government should be designed and legislate so that it does NOT inflict harm on its citizens. The laws that the Trump administration wishes to roll back or legislate against essentially WRITE discrimination into the law. Again, the LGBT community has every RATIONAL right to fight against second class citizenship and to NOT be harmed by its own government!

In the USA, if we "waited" for the entire population to come around on certain issues, there would still be slave states and women would still be waiting for the right to vote in some states. The majority does not have the right nor the legal authority to legislate the rights of minorities/oppressed people who are law abiding citizens like everyone else, under the US Constitution. The US Constitution was not designed to sustain second class citizenship. (Read the 14 Amendment - the Equal Protection Clauses).

The Equal Protection Clause is located at the end of Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment:

"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws (emphasis added)."​

The problems you listed are actual problems that can't wait. Gay rights can.

 

[Titanomachina]

the election of trump heralded a reawakening.... a flashback to a time and space that embraced openly hating gays....

picture it... lakeland florida... 1995... i was 20yo

during that time in my life....to myself and outwardly to others...i spoke very poorly about the gays... restating all of those words my mother had used to describe the queers... a mantra of hate if you will... trying to protect myself and my internal image of self

i remember sneaking out of my dorm... at a pentecostal bible college in lakeland... to drive to tampa... so i could go to traxx (a gay dance club in tampa).... i stood in a long line outside of traxx... petrified of being seen....caught... and petrified about what was going on inside traxx.... i was desperate and confused... about myself and others

today traxx is no longer a gay dance club.... it's a gay bathhouse
i transferred out of that no name bible college in nowhere florida... i did my post grad studies at harvard....
i've been legally married to a man for over a decade

all beings arise dependent on previous causes and conditions... their constituent pieces.... and on consciousness

i am a fierce queen because i was shown tolerance and compassion from my gay brothers and sisters.... as i worked through the filth i had spent my entire life absorbing and spewing at other gay men and women

ms. mary will grow and evolve... in an atmosphere of hate it's much easier to identify with the haters and not be the hated
i choose tolerance and compassion for our broken brothers and sisters during this time... especially during this time

You want a cookie for that? Also don't try to cite broken eastern philosophy concepts.

 

[Titanomachina]

NO, "Gay Rights" cannot wait - as you claim. If we claim that the fundamental role of government is to provide its citizens with equal protection under the law, as we do with the US Constitution, then (1) the government is REQUIRED to protect our rights equally. The constitution does not establish the LGBT community as second class citizens. (2) A rational government should be designed and legislate so that it does NOT inflict harm on its citizens. The laws that the Trump administration wishes to roll back or legislate against essentially WRITE discrimination into the law. Again, the LGBT community has every RATIONAL right to fight against second class citizenship and to NOT be harmed by its own government!

In this country, if we "waited" for the entire population to come around on certain issues, there would still be slave states and women would still be waiting for the right to vote in some states. The majority does not have the right nor the legal authority to legislate the rights of minorities/oppressed people who are otherwise law abiding systems, under the US Constitution.

You fail to grasp the scope of our problems. Trump hiring someone who believes global warming is a myth is a problem, who can very well silence all data that contradicts that view (so much so that a university has created a repository to keep this info safe). Not to mention Trump believing it's a Chinese conspiracy. The civil rights isn't a problem, that can wait.

 

[Titanomachina]

And the majority does have the right to rule because the can enforce their rule. That's what justice comes down to eventually, being able to enforce your rules. Those who say they don't lack the power to challenge such a rule.

 

[deleted37010]

You want a cookie for that? Also don't try to cite broken eastern philosophy concepts.

girl don't play.... i'm fat and happy now... i'll takes me a cookie.... a cookie ain't nothin' to laugh at ;-)

 

[bigbull29]

Seriously? I can't think of a more gay-friendly administration than what's to come.

Ohio just supported women's bodily rights big time. Thanks, Johnny Kasich!!!! You're a patriot like Sean Hannity!

 

[HotBulge]

You are presenting a FALSE dichotomy. It's not a choice between EITHER the environment OR the Civil Rights. It's a both/and : and you can safely bet that the Trump administration will attempt to both weaken environmental protections and roll back Civil Rights.

Again, the US Constitution - the 14th Amendment, in particular - states that all law abiding citizens deserve EQUAL protection under the law -- not just when it's convenient for someone to get around to it. A rational government should not be complicit to or passive in the harm of citizens that it claims to represent!

Also, please don't treat us as monolithic beings. The LGBT can simultaneously care about its rights, as well as environmental protections, as well as women's rights, protecting the Civil Rights of religious minorities like Muslim Americans, etc.

You fail to grasp the scope of our problems. Trump hiring someone who believes global warming is a myth is a problem, who can very well silence all data that contradicts that view (so much so that a university has created a repository to keep this info safe). Not to mention Trump believing it's a Chinese conspiracy. The civil rights isn't a problem, that can wait.