Is life over for gays in america?

umdoistressilvaquatro

Legendary Member
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Posts
1,946
Media
0
Likes
1,594
Points
173
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
Because civil rights is a drop in the bucket compared to maintaining the only inhabitable planet we have access to.
That's not what I said, I said that you are more concerned about being anti-civil rights than global warming, to the point you were happy with Trump's victory.
I find it very curious that you suddenly became very concerned with the environment just in time to justify your trivialization of LGBT fears. You literally have never posted a single comment on environmentalism before.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HotBulge

umdoistressilvaquatro

Legendary Member
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Posts
1,946
Media
0
Likes
1,594
Points
173
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about your sophomoric, 1/2 baked philosophical statements.
I want to submit an assessment scale for Moody Teenager Troll Disorder based on Nicki Minaj fanboy here on lpsg for the DSM 6. It would look something like this:

Do you strongly disagree, disagree, are undecided, agree or strongly agree with the following statements:
1) Evil still triumphs despite good people doing something. It's just easier to be bad. Good has rules and evil doesn't
2) I don't mind friends dying around me. Death happens, I get over it
3) I find it to be fun, fooling others
4) Happiness is sort of synonymous with delusional
5) Everyone dies alone so it's no big deal
6) The others don't matter, so long as I get mine
 
D

deleted37010

Guest
Actually it is quantifiable as a data point.
the double-slit experiment that seem to indicate that we change reality just by observing it.
quantum mechanics throws out quantifiable and concrete concepts about reality

perhaps you intended to say that the perception of reality can be observed and quantified as a data point?
if this is what you meant.... we are in agreement

generally.....social science defines perception as:
"a dynamic conflict between the attempts of an outer world to impose an actuality on us and our efforts to transform this actuality into a self-centered perspective. Perception is a confrontation between an inward directed vector of external reality compelling awareness and an outward-directed vector of physiological, cultural, and psychological transformation. Where these vectors clash, where they balance each other, is what we perceive."

thoughts, mind, and consciousness.... even the constructs of the self and the nature of reality.....are not observable... therefore not quantifiable.... they are much more difficult for a science...even one as new and fancy as psychology... but we are making progress...neuroimaging (fMRI), for example, as well as molecular and behavioral genetics, and cognitive neuroscience. ;-)


Please come back with something more than intro philosophy
i'm not smart enough for philosophy... even an intro course.....even the idea makes my brain hurt
 

umdoistressilvaquatro

Legendary Member
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Posts
1,946
Media
0
Likes
1,594
Points
173
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
the double-slit experiment that seem to indicate that we change reality just by observing it.
quantum mechanics throws out quantifiable and concrete concepts about reality
That's not the conclusion of the double slit experiment at all (it simply proves that light is both wave and matter) and quantum mechanics are still completely about quantifiable concepts.
 
D

deleted37010

Guest
That's not the conclusion of the double slit experiment at all (it simply proves that light is both wave and matter) and quantum mechanics are still completely about quantifiable concepts.
consciousness and quantum mechanics are active studies in the psych departments of harvard, princeton and penn

and i can't believe i'm citing princeton.... ugh....

The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory
A Double-Slit Diffraction Experiment to Investigate Claims of Consciousness-Related Anomalies
Princeton 1998

Summary
A Young’s double slit interference experiment has been conducted which tested the capacity of human operators to change the interference pattern in accord with their intention. The experiments conducted at York University did not show any evidence that the human operators tested can succeed in this task. The experiments conducted at Princeton University showed marginal evidence
of an anomalous effect at a scale consistent with that of similar experiments with larger databases and corresponding larger effects.
 

Titanomachina

Expert Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2015
Posts
399
Media
0
Likes
146
Points
78
Sexuality
80% Gay, 20% Straight
Gender
Male
That's not what I said, I said that you are more concerned about being anti-civil rights than global warming, to the point you were happy with Trump's victory.
I find it very curious that you suddenly became very concerned with the environment just in time to justify your trivialization of LGBT fears. You literally have never posted a single comment on environmentalism before.
Oh I'm not justifying anything, I just know where to place my priorities.
 

Titanomachina

Expert Member
Joined
Feb 2, 2015
Posts
399
Media
0
Likes
146
Points
78
Sexuality
80% Gay, 20% Straight
Gender
Male
consciousness and quantum mechanics are active studies in the psych departments of harvard, princeton and penn

and i can't believe i'm citing princeton.... ugh....

The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory
A Double-Slit Diffraction Experiment to Investigate Claims of Consciousness-Related Anomalies
Princeton 1998

Summary
A Young’s double slit interference experiment has been conducted which tested the capacity of human operators to change the interference pattern in accord with their intention. The experiments conducted at York University did not show any evidence that the human operators tested can succeed in this task. The experiments conducted at Princeton University showed marginal evidence
of an anomalous effect at a scale consistent with that of similar experiments with larger databases and corresponding larger effects.
I knew people would site quantum mechanics. But you are ignorant of it though. It only applies at the micro level and not the macro.
 
D

deleted37010

Guest
I knew people would site quantum mechanics. But you are ignorant of it though. It only applies at the micro level and not the macro.
it's not consciously experienced at the macro... doesn't mean it isn't happening... only that we don't perceive it
 

umdoistressilvaquatro

Legendary Member
Joined
Jan 14, 2016
Posts
1,946
Media
0
Likes
1,594
Points
173
Sexuality
100% Gay, 0% Straight
Gender
Male
consciousness and quantum mechanics are active studies in the psych departments of harvard, princeton and penn

and i can't believe i'm citing princeton.... ugh....

The Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Laboratory
A Double-Slit Diffraction Experiment to Investigate Claims of Consciousness-Related Anomalies
Princeton 1998

Summary
A Young’s double slit interference experiment has been conducted which tested the capacity of human operators to change the interference pattern in accord with their intention. The experiments conducted at York University did not show any evidence that the human operators tested can succeed in this task. The experiments conducted at Princeton University showed marginal evidence
of an anomalous effect at a scale consistent with that of similar experiments with larger databases and corresponding larger effects.
Their "marginal evidence" is an euphemism to say that the study did not achieve statistical significance (Z>1.96, they had 1.654). And they are even mentioning a study that showed non-significant tendency to disprove (-0.481) the conclusion you think the article had (and which the authors never claimed prove).
 
D

deleted37010

Guest
I knew people would site quantum mechanics. But you are ignorant of it though. It only applies at the micro level and not the macro.
another condescending remark....unable to see others...their views...their reality... locked into a rigid view of self that distorts every interaction with others...are you aware that others perceive you as being negative and degrading? would you like to be more? of course you would... we all want to be liked... and appreciated for what we bring to the conversation

from philosophy to quantum mechanics.... buddhism to psychology... even history and civics....it is obvious you are highly intelligent... even if you struggle to save face and win in every conversation.....but do you really win if you need to rely on negative comments and degrading personal attacks... even pointing out grammar and punctuation errors as a way to one up the other person.....do you intend this... do you even know your doing it... or how others see it?

you are being trained here.... it's behaviorism as social and personal skills 101... and we are all conditioning you... in every social interaction and response on here... you are being taught.....attack all you want.... i will continue to work with you... and for you
 
D

deleted37010

Guest
Their "marginal evidence" is an euphemism to say that the study did not achieve statistical significance (Z>1.96, they had 1.654). And they are even mentioning a study that showed non-significant tendency to disprove (-0.481) the conclusion you think the article had (and which the authors never claimed prove).
that's not why they did the study....
princeton:
Given the ample evidence in the literature of statistical anomalies correlated with human intention, the major motivation for this effort was to improve our understanding of the dependencies and invariants of the process, rather than simply to provide more evidence of such anomalies.

emphasis mine
 
D

deleted37010

Guest
This has devolved into an "I'm smarter than you" pissing match that has entirely missed the point of the question. Reminds me of the apocryphal story of Nero fiddling while Rome burned.
umdoistressilvaquatro is smarter... i only wanted the pissing match so i could stare at his.... nevermind... LOL
 
  • Like
Reactions: OKCLane

HotBulge

Worshipped Member
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Posts
2,333
Media
114
Likes
17,342
Points
518
Age
34
Location
Lowells talk to Cabots, Cabots talk to God
Gender
Male
I wish that I had seen this "informal fallacy of logic" meme yesterday :)

5d5.jpg


Again, you are committing the fallacy: " I [Tiitanomachina] don't relate to a problem, therefore the problem does not exist or is irrelevant". As I wrote earlier, Marriage Equality wasn't about holding hands and skipping down the isle. The movement for Marriage Equality was about securing very real protections with life altering consequences,( which straight couples take for granted), such as:
  • Before marriage equality, it was estimated that LGBT couples can spend between $60K - $240K on average in additional costs over a life time just to approximate the protections which straight couples take advantage of for free. Gays and lesbians shouldn't have to pay tens of thousands of additional dollars to approximate the same legal protections of straight couples -- and even then without a definite guarantee of protection depending on the variations in laws among states.
 
  • Like
Reactions: deleted37010

HotBulge

Worshipped Member
Joined
Jul 27, 2005
Posts
2,333
Media
114
Likes
17,342
Points
518
Age
34
Location
Lowells talk to Cabots, Cabots talk to God
Gender
Male
Anyhow, this thread may or may not trail off. It it continues, though, it would be helpful to focus on constructive plans for the future to protect and secure rights and the quality of life for the LGBT community.

  • Yes, I think it was legitimate for people to have moments to express a degree of concern, if not panic, in the sense that the threat which the Trump administration poses is somewhat unprecedented.
  • I am equally concerned about how the LGBT community should handle the people who voted for Trump with all of his bigoted rhetoric. Several Trump supporters have said that they didn't believe his campaign rhetoric and that he was just throwing out red meat to the Republican base....But should we let the people off the hook so easily? I've told the few people that I know who voted for Trump that if they were behaving morally, they should have written in a Republican like Kasich or Romney rather than the fear-mongering Trump.