Is life over for gays in america?

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[An inspirational message from George Takei i.e. Sulu from Star Trek]. Printed in The Advocate.
URL/Title - George Takei: "Welcome to the Resistance"
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In the wake of Donald Trump's election victory, many have written to me asking how to move forward. It is understandably difficult for our community to accept this setback, from the risk of our hard-won rights being eroded to the fear that dark forces of hatred and intolerance are now emboldened and have begun to strike. Our concerns are not diminished by the president-elect’s reassurances over marriage equality, particularly as he continues to name some of the most outspoken bigots to important posts within his cabinet and inner circle — and as we consider the record of his vice president, Mike Pence, while governor of Indiana, or Jeff Sessions, an enemy of equality he has nominated to head the Justice Department.

As both an Asian-American and an LGBT American, I have borne witness to some of the most egregious injustices and tragedies of our national history, where both the public and the politicians turned against us to devastating effect. Many know that I grew up in internment camps where we were held without trial or even charge for years, simply because we happened to look like the people who bombed Pearl Harbor. Fewer remember that, as a young man, it was illegal for me in many states to marry a Caucasian person due to anti-miscegenation laws. And as a gay man, I stayed deeply in the closet out of fear that I would not find work as an “out” actor. That same fear rendered me silent even as the scourge of the AIDS epidemic in the '80s and '90s took so many of our community, while the government turned a blind, callous eye.

But know this: I do not look upon all those difficult years solely as blights in my life. To the contrary, they helped forge who I am today. As both an ethnic and sexual minority, an “outsider” in nearly every sense, I was forced to learn the rules of society very early on. Unlike my straight white male counterparts, out of pure necessity I grew keenly aware of the way our society was ordered. I had to take note of the system so that I did not run afoul of it. That meant that, without realizing it, I became highly self-aware as well as a careful observer of others, far more so than those simply living out their lives, who blissfully had nothing to hide, nothing to fear. With that came a certain social adeptness; I learned how to model and shape my world as a result.

And I grew tough, my own self-critiques far outpacing anything society could level at me.

In today’s political environment, we find ourselves again outsiders, forming a core of those opposed to the powers in Washington and in many of our state capitals. But this is not unfamiliar territory. It is, in fact, where movements were born. The greatest moments in civil rights, from Selma to Stonewall, Seneca Falls to Standing Rock, sprang forward not from eras of harmony, but out of bitter conflict.

It is axiomatic that little worth fighting for has ever come without a fight. New veterans of our struggle will emerge from the coming clashes. And while we all wish that future generations would not have to face the terror, isolation, and even deadly effects of hatred and bigotry, we are reminded today, more than ever, that the struggle may truly never be over. Enemies of progress, equality, and justice often slip away unnoticed for years, regroup and change their names and strategies, then re-emerge to challenge what we have gained.

This does not mean, however, that we are starting again from ground zero. When they came for my family and my community back in 1942, very few others stood up for us. The Japanese-American community felt alone. Similarly, when drag queens rioted at Stonewall in 1969, the LGBT community also had few allies. But today, when the incoming administration threatened Muslim registries and racial profiling, the progressive response was collective and swift to say we would register as well. When Native Americans camped out in the freezing cold to oppose the Dakota Access Pipeline, veterans came to stand with them. And when Trump began to name a cabinet of homophobic and hateful bigots, communities of all colors and creeds decried it. We truly have grown stronger together, and with each new assault upon our dignity and humanity, we will grow stronger still.

So welcome to the resistance. It’s where the next heroes of our movement will emerge. Be ready. Be vigilant. Be strong.
 
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[An inspirational message from George Takei i.e. Sulu from Star Trek]. Printed in The Advocate.
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In the wake of Donald Trump's election victory, many have written to me asking how to move forward. It is understandably difficult for our community to accept this setback, from the risk of our hard-won rights being eroded to the fear that dark forces of hatred and intolerance are now emboldened and have begun to strike. Our concerns are not diminished by the president-elect’s reassurances over marriage equality, particularly as he continues to name some of the most outspoken bigots to important posts within his cabinet and inner circle — and as we consider the record of his vice president, Mike Pence, while governor of Indiana, or Jeff Sessions, an enemy of equality he has nominated to head the Justice Department.

As both an Asian-American and an LGBT American, I have borne witness to some of the most egregious injustices and tragedies of our national history, where both the public and the politicians turned against us to devastating effect. Many know that I grew up in internment camps where we were held without trial or even charge for years, simply because we happened to look like the people who bombed Pearl Harbor. Fewer remember that, as a young man, it was illegal for me in many states to marry a Caucasian person due to anti-miscegenation laws. And as a gay man, I stayed deeply in the closet out of fear that I would not find work as an “out” actor. That same fear rendered me silent even as the scourge of the AIDS epidemic in the '80s and '90s took so many of our community, while the government turned a blind, callous eye.

But know this: I do not look upon all those difficult years solely as blights in my life. To the contrary, they helped forge who I am today. As both an ethnic and sexual minority, an “outsider” in nearly every sense, I was forced to learn the rules of society very early on. Unlike my straight white male counterparts, out of pure necessity I grew keenly aware of the way our society was ordered. I had to take note of the system so that I did not run afoul of it. That meant that, without realizing it, I became highly self-aware as well as a careful observer of others, far more so than those simply living out their lives, who blissfully had nothing to hide, nothing to fear. With that came a certain social adeptness; I learned how to model and shape my world as a result.

And I grew tough, my own self-critiques far outpacing anything society could level at me.

In today’s political environment, we find ourselves again outsiders, forming a core of those opposed to the powers in Washington and in many of our state capitals. But this is not unfamiliar territory. It is, in fact, where movements were born. The greatest moments in civil rights, from Selma to Stonewall, Seneca Falls to Standing Rock, sprang forward not from eras of harmony, but out of bitter conflict.

It is axiomatic that little worth fighting for has ever come without a fight. New veterans of our struggle will emerge from the coming clashes. And while we all wish that future generations would not have to face the terror, isolation, and even deadly effects of hatred and bigotry, we are reminded today, more than ever, that the struggle may truly never be over. Enemies of progress, equality, and justice often slip away unnoticed for years, regroup and change their names and strategies, then re-emerge to challenge what we have gained.

This does not mean, however, that we are starting again from ground zero. When they came for my family and my community back in 1942, very few others stood up for us. The Japanese-American community felt alone. Similarly, when drag queens rioted at Stonewall in 1969, the LGBT community also had few allies. But today, when the incoming administration threatened Muslim registries and racial profiling, the progressive response was collective and swift to say we would register as well. When Native Americans camped out in the freezing cold to oppose the Dakota Access Pipeline, veterans came to stand with them. And when Trump began to name a cabinet of homophobic and hateful bigots, communities of all colors and creeds decried it. We truly have grown stronger together, and with each new assault upon our dignity and humanity, we will grow stronger still.

So welcome to the resistance. It’s where the next heroes of our movement will emerge. Be ready. Be vigilant. Be strong.
thank you for posting this ... seriously... thank you
 
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Several Trump supporters have said that they didn't believe his campaign rhetoric and that he was just throwing out red meat to the Republican base....But should we let the people off the hook so easily?
Don't judge based on declared intentions, judge on impact. Trump voters who voted as a joke have the same responsability than those who voted on him because of petty disagreements with Hillary, who have the same responsability than those who voted on him because they seriously wanted the first alt-right president in USA.
 

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Largely tiny and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Just another silvery speech that is simply words. Resistance? Heroes? Vilgilance? It just grows more comical the more you read it.
 

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To the sophomoric fatalist, everything turns out to be "insignificant in the grand scheme of things", but we humans don't live our lives in the grand scheme of things.

As for the terms. Resistance, the notion is gaining a lot of ground in Liberal areas such as Boston and San Francisco and is growing.
  • Mary Bonauto, the lawyer who successfully argues Marriage Equality before the Supreme Count in 2015 (Obergefell vs. Hodges) uses that term to reflect the cause.
  • Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey in interviews has referred "the Resistance" in reference to her legally strategy to have Massachusetts sue the Federal government if it tries to dismantle Obamacare or weaken LGBT or environmental protections.
  • The City of San Francisco has referred to is defiance as a sanctuary city as being part of " the Resistance".
These very accomplished people don' waste their time on "comical" matters, and their influence is growing! Moreover, it is influence with an action plan behind it. Your sarcasm is cheap compared to their words and actions.

Largely tiny and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Just another silvery speech that is simply words. Resistance? Heroes? Vilgilance? It just grows more comical the more you read it.
 
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Their words and actions are that ones that are cheap, and you used the term fatalism incorrectly (as expected). What you are describing are actions people are doing for minor issues that don't matter much (minus the environment but even that is small in comparission to the larger scope of existence). They might succeed or fail miserably (sue the federal government.... right).

All in all, you just have overly sensitive individuals blowing things out of proportion (as I have said before). Resistance...just hearing people say that is laughable.
 

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You betray your vulnerability, immaturity, and also ignorance. For example, your statement, "(sue the federal government ... right)" is just blatantly uninformed: individuals and states have sued the federal government for several decades, especially on matters of interstate commerce or on affairs where the federal government has impinged upon the jurisdiction of the state government. In fact, on the issue of Marriage Equality, one of the immediate pre-cursors was the 2013 case of Edith Windsor whose marriage was valid in New York but not recognized by the federal government. Her lawsuit, brought before the Supreme Court, led to the overturn of DOMA (the Defense of Marriage Act) and made federal benefits eligible to same sex couples across the USA, even in states that didn't have marriage equality. The courage of one person and due process in a court of law can have profound consequences on the law and society!

It is time for you to put up or shut up -- really! Your smug, self-satisfied cynicism has no currency; it's just the gratuitous self-esteem boost of a frustrated individual. I challenge and welcome you to list some constructive measures you have taken:

  • If you were eligible to vote in the last election, yet failed to do so, then you are automatically part of the problem and have no standing to criticize others. Did you even vote?
  • In the past 6 months, have you called, emailed, or written to at least 3 state or congressional representatives to register your position on an issue?
  • When is the last time, if ever, you participated in a group protest or rally to take a stand on an issue?
  • In this past 6 months, have you volunteered > 8 hours of your time for a cause? In the past 6 months, have you donated more than a day's worth of wages towards a cause?
In other words, when is the last time you have done something other than fuel your ego cheaply at someone else's expense? When is the last time to support or advance a cause. You talk about the environment so much, but I reserve doubts that you've done much to advance that cause either.

No one would reasonably expect you to champion LGBT issues if it's not how you identify; at the same time, you have no basis for LGBT issues matter significantly. (I've already listed for you how lack of LGBT protections can lead to tens of thousands of $$ in legal fees to approximate the same protections as straight individuals w/o the guarantee that their protections will even be enforced in all 50 states). You should reflect on why, for someone who ostensibly doesn't resonate with LGBT issues, you spend so much time arguing against the issues. Examine why you engage in trolling behavior over an issue which outwardly doesn't matter to you.


Their words and actions are that ones that are cheap, and you used the term fatalism incorrectly (as expected). What you are describing are actions people are doing for minor issues that don't matter much (minus the environment but even that is small in comparission to the larger scope of existence). They might succeed or fail miserably (sue the federal government.... right).

All in all, you just have overly sensitive individuals blowing things out of proportion (as I have said before). Resistance...just hearing people say that is laughable.
 

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I just find it interesting why humans bother so much over such an issue. Also your points are rather moot. I don't have to give my time away to something I don't care about, but it's fun to bug people who care for such small matters to ignore larger ones. There's nothing to examine, your fervor for such matters is comical, enough said. Justice is little more than self interest masquerading as public good.

In regards to the environment, the current methods most people are aware of aren't as effective as they believe them to be, but no matter what I say they don't believe it.

I don't have to prove anything to a nobody with no real power, or anyone else for that matter. I just laugh at the people sweeping the ships deck while the hole in the hull goes unnoticed.

And the best part is that you state such cases as though they mean anything in the long run.
 

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When you have an incoming PreZ who is clearly against gay marriage, you have a reason to be concerned. End of story! The worry is, is that states could be given more power to make gay marriages null and void (Remember the redneck religious freak, Kimmy Davis?).

The reason he did this, is to glean votes from Evangelical Protestants (a large base of the GOP). Donald is a master manipulator. Let them take the bait over and over again. It might not taste too after Jan 20.
 

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When you have an incoming PreZ who is clearly against gay marriage, you have a reason to be concerned. End of story! The worry is, is that states could be given more power to make gay marriages null and void (Remember the redneck religious freak, Kimmy Davis?).

The reason he did this, is to glean votes from Evangelical Protestants (a large base of the GOP). Donald is a master manipulator. Let them take the bait over and over again. It might not taste too after Jan 20.
Gay marriage seems like a pretty small issue though. It's just marriage.
 

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Gay marriage seems like a pretty small issue though. It's just marriage.

How else can gay marriages get respect if the law doesn't recognize it.

What's a big issue? Filling the coffers of rich Protestant white men?

Yes, world hunger, poverty, disease and rape are top priorities. But who cares about that?
 

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How else can gay marriages get respect if the law doesn't recognize it.

What's a big issue? Filling the coffers of rich Protestant white men?

Yes, world hunger, poverty, disease and rape are top priorities. But who cares about that?
Not enough people care about those if you ask me. Marriage is low priority compared to such ills.
 

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I used Gay Marriage as one pivotal issue among several related issues pertaining to LGBT equality and civil rights. You are the one tearing down your own strawman about people only caring about one issue. Also, let God alone be concerned with "cosmological time" i.e. "in the long run"; this topic is firmly and necessarily rooted in the social contract among people with the American government. Cosmological time is not under you control, but the time we spend as a US citizens under US law is under our control.

Anyhow, you failed to demonstrate that you have acted constructively towards any cause that you consider worthy:
  • You failed to indicate that you vote and participate in the democratic process.
  • You failed to indicate that you volunteer your time towards a cause
  • You failed to indicate that you donate your $$ towards a cause
  • You failed to indicate that you even try to educate others towards a worthy cause.
Conclusion: There's no merit to your words and you can't be taken seriously.

So far, you have only demonstrated the behavior of an argumentative troll. Please disappear, find some purpose other than inhaling the fumes from your backside, and return when you have something constructive to contribute. You are of an age where it is reasonable to hold you to the expectation to either put up or shut up. Your cynicism is a vain misuse of intelligence. Demonstrate how you are part of a solution to a problem. Only then will you be taken seriously.

I just find it interesting why humans bother so much over such an issue. Also your points are rather moot. I don't have to give my time away to something I don't care about, but it's fun to bug people who care for such small matters to ignore larger ones. There's nothing to examine, your fervor for such matters is comical, enough said. Justice is little more than self interest masquerading as public good.

In regards to the environment, the current methods most people are aware of aren't as effective as they believe them to be, but no matter what I say they don't believe it.

I don't have to prove anything to a nobody with no real power, or anyone else for that matter. I just laugh at the people sweeping the ships deck while the hole in the hull goes unnoticed.

And the best part is that you state such cases as though they mean anything in the long run.
 
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I used Gay Marriage as one pivotal issue among several related issues pertaining to LGBT equality and civil rights. You are the one tearing down your own strawman about people only caring about one issue. Also, let God alone be concerned with "cosmological time" i.e. "in the long run"; this topic is firmly and necessarily rooted in the social contract among people with the American government. Cosmological time is not under you control, but the time we spend as a US citizens under US law is under our control.

Anyhow, you failed to demonstrate that you have acted constructively towards any cause that you consider worthy:
  • You failed to indicate that you vote and participate in the democratic process.
  • You failed to indicate that you volunteer your time towards a cause
  • You failed to indicate that you donate your $$ towards a cause
  • You failed to indicate that you even try to educate others towards a worthy cause.
Conclusion: There's no merit to your words and you can't be taken seriously.

So far, you have only demonstrated the behavior of an argumentative troll. Please disappear, find some purpose other than inhaling the fumes from your backside, and return when you have something constructive to contribute. You are of an age where it is reasonable to hold you to the expectation to either put up or shut up. Your cynicism is a vain misuse of intelligence. Demonstrate how you are part of a solution to a problem. Only then will you be taken seriously.
Your evaluation/opinion of me can't be taken seriously. I don't have to "put up or shut up" (which I believe is rather fallacious when it comes to claims).

One doesn't have to adhere to your arbitrary standards to comment on here. Your attempts to claim some sort of high ground fail miserably and merely showcase how limited your thought patterns are.

Failed? Hah. Like it really matters whether someone meets the criteria on your "report card".

Whether you choose to accept it or not, humans are a part of cosmological time and our values are merely a blip on that radar. Human rights is just a petty squabble that comes from not realizing that. If people did, they would turn to far more important issues.

Your fanaticism when it comes to "gay rights" just shows how warped the priorities are for human kind.
 

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Largely tiny and insignificant in the grand scheme of things. Just another silvery speech that is simply words. Resistance? Heroes? Vilgilance? It just grows more comical the more you read it.
What's going to be the larger-issue-being-ignored of today's justification to ridicularize gay people who want to live normal, fulfilling lifes?
 

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I find it interesting how the majority tells minorities what they're feeling. You can't be minority if you're not one.

Minorities shouldn't be scared because the majority said so (KellyAnn Conway, anyone?).

I love it when the GOP leaders/etc go on tv and say, "Well, we all condemn the KKK, etc." They say it so unconvincingly with their little smirk grins.

The GOP is the saddest lot in the US. Now that they've won, they got extra smug.
 
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ok the title may or may not be a bit dramatic, but are you afriad of the next 4 years or for your safety?
Of course not don't be absurd. I voted for Trump. I'm bisexual but also a very traditional conservative person tired of ultra left wing crazy liberal bullshit.... there is no reason at all for any gay or bisexual person or any persons of minorities or otherwise to be frightened or concerned about anything period. You watch the View to much.
 
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Your evaluation/opinion of me can't be taken seriously. I don't have to "put up or shut up" (which I believe is rather fallacious when it comes to claims).

One doesn't have to adhere to your arbitrary standards to comment on here. Your attempts to claim some sort of high ground fail miserably and merely showcase how limited your thought patterns are.

Failed? Hah. Like it really matters whether someone meets the criteria on your "report card".

Whether you choose to accept it or not, humans are a part of cosmological time and our values are merely a blip on that radar. Human rights is just a petty squabble that comes from not realizing that. If people did, they would turn to far more important issues.

Your fanaticism when it comes to "gay rights" just shows how warped the priorities are for human kind.
You are such an insightful little Queen and everyone here just waits breathlessly for you next spellbinding post....LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
 
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Your evaluation/opinion of me can't be taken seriously. I don't have to "put up or shut up" (which I believe is rather fallacious when it comes to claims).

One doesn't have to adhere to your arbitrary standards to comment on here. Your attempts to claim some sort of high ground fail miserably and merely showcase how limited your thought patterns are.

Failed? Hah. Like it really matters whether someone meets the criteria on your "report card".

Whether you choose to accept it or not, humans are a part of cosmological time and our values are merely a blip on that radar. Human rights is just a petty squabble that comes from not realizing that. If people did, they would turn to far more important issues.

Your fanaticism when it comes to "gay rights" just shows how warped the priorities are for human kind.
 
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