Is my cock too risky for art class?

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There's nothing inherently pornographic about an erect penis, and drawing them does not make you a perv, unless your intention is to give others or yourself sexual pleasure (and nothing else) in doing so.
Well, yes, yessssssssssss.
But if they bring up the issue of what is pornographic, you can be pretty sure that an erect penis is not what they were hoping to get. [Edit: Or maybe was. ;-)]
That said, I think sdg's pics are still in a nice comfort zone, his unit only just beginning to defy gravity.
I say, Let 'er rip.

Hil, you really should have been a militant during the French Revolution.
To the barricades! A bas, les philistines!:tongue:
 

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If I were you (though I'm not recommending you do this it's just how I'd react) I'd draw myself covered in sweat and spunk with a great big stonking erection and a 5 foot dildo in one hand and a rubber glove on the other and crisco within reach. Oh and a big shit eating grin on my face.
You FAIL the course! :laughing:
 

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dude your dick looks enormous in those pics because you are fluffed... i took figure drawing in college and there was a model there with a cock too big for the job... he was naturally big soft and all that shit but really some people shouldn't be doing that job... it turns into show and tell real quick and no body focuses on what what you're all there for.... figure drawing. It is similar to Dolly Parton showing up to be a model. Pick a picture that is modest and doesn't make you look like John EFFIN Holmes and use it; other wise you are just showing off.
 

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After viewing the rest of your gallery it looks to me like you are fully engorged, even if not erect in the first pic. I notice several other pics in your gallery where you are flaccid, and your penis is much smaller, and even some fully hard where you appear smaller. The difference is so noticeable I wonder if you might have altered the image in some way, though I will assume you did not. At any rate, you can't have overlooked that, so it seems intentional that you would pose and choose this image to show off a bit, not that there's anything wrong with that. I wonder if you are seeking approval here to do that, not that there's anything wrong with that either. It's the fullness and the size of your penis that would push that subject past the point of being simply a nude study to being an erotic drawing, not that there's anything wrong with that either, unless it violates the intent of the assignment.

I actually find the seated pose less blatant, though with the partial erection, it too moves into the realm of the erotic. I'm speaking from my experience as an artist and a former life model. I never posed fully nude for classes, only partially nude and for portraiture, but I did pose nude for a few professional artists regularly in private sessions. In both situations there was a certain ego gratification that came from seeing myself well rendered from a variety of individual perspectives. One artist in particular did more erotic studies of me as part of his work. A few I gave as gifts, a few I have in my own collection, and I'm very glad I do. I would say that if your intention is to display yourself in an erotic manner, just be honest and straightforward about that, and be prepared for the responses.

[Edit: In my mind 'erotic' is different from 'pornographic', though I recognize for some that may be a fuzzy line.]
 
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Hilaire, your comment makes me think of the famous Robert Mapplethorpe photo with the whip.

Thank you to everyone for your respective advice. To clarify, I'm not facing a moral dilemna in this decision. I only posted to ask if the photos were too exhibitionist (or too distasteful) to submit in the academic environment. I could care less what artists choose to create from a moral standpoint so long as there is a truth behind the work. If the dead and dusty cliche "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" holds true, then so too is obsenity in the eye of the beholder.

I'm at least going to use the photos for a study, but I may choose a photo with more subtlety and recessive body language. I'm not sure that the totally frontal and open pose communicates enough self consciousness.
 

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I only posted to ask if the photos were too exhibitionist (or too distasteful) to submit in the academic environment.
I do not find them at all distasteful, but I do find #1 rather exhibitionist, possibly #2.
Why don't you run the photos by your instructor if you need clarification?

Lol.
I love that 'recessive.':wink:
Speaking of recessive, I notice the OP has suddenly removed all the pictures from his gallery that showed himself in a smaller more relaxed state, including the one AlphaMale linked to.

hmmm . . . .
 
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I do not find them at all distasteful, but I do find #1 rather exhibitionist, possibly #2.
Why don't you run the photos by your instructor if you need clarification?

Speaking of recessive, I notice the OP has suddenly removed all the pictures from his gallery that showed himself in a smaller more relaxed state, including the one AlphaMale linked to.

hmmm . . . .


hmmm...indeed. Me thinks maybe this thread has just gone off the tracks.
 

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Hhuck, glad you caught the word play.

Fair play to you, Max. I did cull out the gallery and I knew it was poor timing as someone was bound to mention it- but the truth is I've been meaning to do so for a while. I didn't like that there were so many pictures and since I've been around here for a while there were shots from when I was 18/19 that I don't really want in my gallery anymore. As you've pointed out the picture is not completely flaccid. I didn't intend to get an erection for the photo but was fighting one off; as you mentioned in your own post there is something very egoistic about having all of your anatomy rendered so I got aroused. Ultimately this is one of the factors which lead me to question the appropriateness of the photos- and yes there is an element of showing off though not the main intent (check the forum headline afterall).
 

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You FAIL the course! :laughing:


I'd rather fail the course than be a half arsed artist who draws what he thinks others want to see rather than what I see :wink::redface:


OT like I said draw whichever pose you think you can draw the best and which you are most comfortable with drawing, pick something which will challenge and stimulate you mentally and try to convey that. Whatever the content of the image, what counts most is technique and the authenticity of your personal vision. :smile:
 

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As you've pointed out the picture is not completely flaccid. I didn't intend to get an erection for the photo but was fighting one off; as you mentioned in your own post there is something very egoistic about having all of your anatomy rendered so I got aroused. Ultimately this is one of the factors which lead me to question the appropriateness of the photos- and yes there is an element of showing off though not the main intent (check the forum headline afterall).

You see all of this is perfectly valid stuff to convey in your picture, men get erections or semis sometimes when they're under scrutiny in the buff, the issues you mention about ego, anatomy, arousal, appropriateness, showing off etc all of these are perfectly reasonable things to deal with even in a simple sketch.

What matters is that you draw what is before you in your own style and in the way you see it. What others then choose to read in to your work is entirely up to them and frankly totally out of your hands.

If your tutors are judging your work on what they think you're trying to say in it then they should be fired, they should be looking for your development in skills and techniques and to help you foster and grow your own unique personal way of responding to the world around you. If you draw a pair of cats fucking or a book of postage stamps or a man with a dick in his mouth or a bag of chips the approach should be the same.

It's rarely what is depicted which can be evaluated it's how it is depicted that counts.
 

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I notice several other pics in your gallery where you are flaccid, and your penis is much smaller, and even some fully hard where you appear smaller. The difference is so noticeable I wonder if you might have altered the image in some way, though I will assume you did not.


I notice the OP has suddenly removed all the pictures from his gallery that showed himself in a smaller more relaxed state.

Fair play to you, Max. I did cull out the gallery and I knew it was poor timing as someone was bound to mention it- but the truth is I've been meaning to do so for a while.

Timing...yes. Timing is everything. :smile:
 
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Hmmm . . . . so let's review:

Like this one looks just fine to me (maybe doesn't make you look as big though, per se):
http://www.lpsg.org/gallery/showphoto.php/photo/119699/cat/500/ppuser/77826
After viewing the rest of your gallery it looks to me like you are fully engorged, even if not erect in the first pic. I notice several other pics in your gallery where you are flaccid, and your penis is much smaller, and even some fully hard where you appear smaller. The difference is so noticeable I wonder if you might have altered the image in some way, though I will assume you did not. . . .
Speaking of recessive, I notice the OP has suddenly removed all the pictures from his gallery that showed himself in a smaller more relaxed state, including the one AlphaMale linked to.

hmmm . . . .
Fair play to you, Max. I did cull out the gallery and I knew it was poor timing as someone was bound to mention it- but the truth is I've been meaning to do so for a while. I didn't like that there were so many pictures and since I've been around here for a while there were shots from when I was 18/19 that I don't really want in my gallery anymore. As you've pointed out the picture is not completely flaccid. I didn't intend to get an erection for the photo but was fighting one off; . . .
Poor timing indeed, right after Alpha and I referenced the pics in your gallery.
But then, you've "been meaning to do so for a while", right? :rolleyes:

And you were "fighting off" an erection? Okay . . . :rolleyes:

OP:
Hey all,

Just posted 3 new pics which I really enjoy. Check 'em out!

. . . Or if you don't have anything to say just comment on the photos- I appreciate it either way!
So is there really an art class?

Or is this the most creative thread ever to get people to look at a gallery and comment?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

. . . . I would say that if your intention is to display yourself in an erotic manner, just be honest and straightforward about that, and be prepared for the responses.
 
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So is there really an art class?

Bingo!!!...and the train has now completely left the track. Thank you and good night. Remember to tip your waiter.

Hmmm . . . . so let's review:

I thought I already did (post#33) but...same conclusion
 
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Hilaire,
I really appreciate your input. You offer an experienced and completely different perspective than my own. I'm almost shocked to hear you say "If your tutors are judging your work by what they think you're trying to say in it then they should be fired." My experience in architectural studios is the exact opposite. Idea and clarity are hammered into our brains and picked apart at every opportunity. I think the big, unifying idea is a hold over from modernism which architecture is slow to move away from. Maybe we've got ourselves back to the essential differences of art and design.

Max, yes, there is an art class. By prior request I'll be posting whatever the results turn out to be. They are due the 14th, drawings of the head are due before that on the 7th and 11th. I won't deny that the thread also serves its show boating purpose; even in the orignal post you can see the dualism in which I welcome both serious comments and the standard compliment. I see the validity in your alarm regarding the gallery changes. However, when I think of my gallery as a portfolio over which I have sole authorship it makes sense to me that (as with any display) only the most flattering material be included. As better photographs are taken the weaker ones are removed. This is perhaps deceptive, but valid so long as all content is legitimate. Apple won't tell you that your iPod most likely won't see it's second birthday, but they sure will emphasize it's upgraded holding capacity and sexy colors.
 

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Bingo!!!...and the train has now completely left the track. Thank you and good night. Remember to tip your waiter.

I thought I already did (post#33) but...same conclusion
Well I was busy laying down my case while you were doing that, so don be jealous now.

Oh FFS! And all my titting on about vision and all that other soapy tit-wank was for nothing! Cocks.
Oh Hill, as if all those big fancy words being tossed about incomprehensibly weren't a dead give away. :rolleyes:

It's all about authenticity, remember? :wink:
 

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I see the validity in your alarm regarding the gallery changes. However, when I think of my gallery as a portfolio over which I have sole authorship it makes sense to me that (as with any display) only the most flattering material be included. As better photographs are taken the weaker ones are removed. This is perhaps deceptive, but valid so long as all content is legitimate. Apple won't tell you that your iPod most likely won't see it's second birthday, but they sure will emphasize it's upgraded holding capacity and sexy colors.
:rolleyes:

I'm not the least bit "alarmed", just a little repelled by your lack of honesty.

Spin it however you want, as my friend Stretch says:

Timing...yes. Timing is everything. :smile:
Feel better now, old man?