Is NAMBLA real?

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  1. D_Joseba_Guntertwat

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    Nope. It's real. I don't gotta like it, but then again, I don't like the KKK either and they actually exist in the real world.

    Fucking sick place sometimes.
     
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    Yeah, its real. Allen Ginsberg was a member, and I thought he might have known better. They try to infiltrate little spaces with the idea of freedom, but they really don't specify what they support. I checked out their webpages a few year back, and its is slick and weaselly.

    They're like the KK and the American Nazi party, morons who help give the ACLU something to do. I don't give them too much credit. They need an IQ for that.
     
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    I'm not sure what Hellboy is talking about, they seem to be pretty clear about what they support in my experience. Their platform is that loving sexual intimate relationships between adult men and young boys is normal and healthy and should be legalized. They are partnered with a group that supports the same for Man/Girl love.
     
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    They send out checks every election cycle to both parties, but the checks are always returned uncashed. One lobby group that NOBODY wants to be associated with.
     
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    Hmmmm. . . lemmee see here . . . Allen Ginsberg + ideas of freedom + slick and weaselly [sic] + KK [sic] and the American Nazi Party = morons who help give the ACLU something to do.

    I'm not in suport of NAMBLA. Yet I fail to seen the connection between NAMBLA and the ACLU. Which reminds me, I need to send the ACLU my yearly financial donation.:smile:
     
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    NABALA and other fringe group with extreme views have often had ACLU back them up for the right of intellectual freedom and the right to organize marches, even if the end product is not anything 99.9999% of us would consider reasonable.

    Sorry, there are just things even the ACLU should deem worthless.
     
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    omg, that's fucked up.
     
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    Don't know what I said that was misunderstood: They advocate relationships between adult men an underage boys. I don't agree with that and I'm not really sorry about it.
     
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    North American Man/Boy Love Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Curley v. NAMBLA


    In 2000, a Boston couple, Robert and Barbara Curley, sued NAMBLA. According to the Curley's suit, Charles Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari (who were convicted of murdering the Curleys' son, Jeffrey) "stalked Jeffrey Curley... and tortured, murdered and mutilated [his] body on or about October 1, 1997. Upon information and belief immediately prior to said acts Charles Jaynes accessed NAMBLA's website at the Boston Public Library." According to police, Jaynes had eight issues of a NAMBLA publication in his home at the time of his arrest. The lawsuit further alleges that "NAMBLA serves as a conduit for an underground network of pedophiles in the United States who use their NAMBLA association and contacts therein and the Internet to obtain child pornography and promote pedophile activity."[38]


    Citing cases in which NAMBLA members have been charged with and convicted of sexual offenses against children, Larry Frisoli, the attorney representing the Curleys, argued that it is a "training ground" for adults who wish to seduce children, in which men exchange strategies on how to find and groom child sex partners.[39] He also claims that NAMBLA has sold at its website what he calls "The Rape and Escape Manual" that details how to avoid being caught and prosecuted.


    The American Civil Liberties Union stepped in to defend NAMBLA as a free speech matter and won a dismissal based on the fact that NAMBLA is organized as an unincorporated association, not a corporation. John Reinstein, the director of the ACLU Massachusetts, said that although NAMBLA "may extol conduct which is currently illegal", there was nothing on its website that "advocated or incited the commission of any illegal acts, including murder or rape".[40] The Curleys continued the suit as a wrongful death action against individual NAMBLA members, some of whom were active in the group's leadership.[21]

    The targets of the wrongful death suits were Roy Radow, Joe Power, David Miller, Peter Herman, Max Hunter, Arnold Schoen and David Thorstad, a co-founder of NAMBLA and well-known writer. The Curleys alleged that Charles Jaynes and Salvatore Sicari, who were convicted of the rape and murder of their ten-year-old son Jeffrey, were NAMBLA members.

    As of April 2005 the wrongful death cases were still being considered by a Massachusetts federal court, with the American Civil Liberties Union assisting the defendants on the grounds that the suit violated their First Amendment rights to free speech.[2] The American Civil Liberties Union makes it clear, however, that it does not endorse NAMBLA's objectives. "We've never taken a position that sexual-consent laws are beyond the state's power to legislate," John Reinstein, attorney for the Massachusetts branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, said in 1997. "I've never been able to fathom their position." (Boston Globe, October 9, 1997).



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    As stated above, with the associations and manner, there is absolutely nothing that can justify defending NAMBLA.

    I feel that there are no just reasons to defend the KKK. It goes down to, what do they really want to do?

    And that's where I stand. I can see defending some left wingers who want to end the tax laws, but not if violence is a part of the method they preach.
     
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    The ACLU believes that freedom of speech, no matter how odious that speech may be, is the rock upon which our constitution is founded.
     
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    It's left/liberal policy that keeps NAMBLA alive, while the right wants it gone. Nuff said.
     
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    I think the forefathers were thinking about freedom to speak on policy, equality, rights, religion, etc...

    Bastardization of the Constitution in it's finest form. They never dreamed in a million years, that they'd have to put something in the Constitution around the rights and fucking protection of children.

    And to think lib whackos spend time blowing up Hummer dealerships in the name of "Green", yet NAMBLA get protectionism better than Mother Theresa roaming the streets of Bombay.
     
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    Thankfully opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one. The ACLU would even protect your reactionary ass. They are there for everybody.
     
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    The right seems to dislike the Bill of Rights. Freedom of Speech is not something they would like for everyone. Didn't their fearless leader, GWB, say it best? "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush

    I don't like what NAMBLA does or says. I do like my freedom to say anything and express myself. Without universal freedom of speech, the government has to pick and choose who gets to say what. That means that I might be censored one day and I might not be able to say what I need to say. I'm against that.

    On this selfish principle I'll defend NAMBLA's freedom to express themselves. And I'd even devend the right of the KKK and the Westboro Baptist Church's right to express themselves.
     
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    I'd hope not... in that case I'd rather die with my boots on. Nevermind, I'd never be such a fuck up to need the ACLU in the first place.
    ACLU, is like unions... good at first, but now evil manifestations out of good original intentions.

    ACLU is like injury lawyers looking to sue coffee shops for serving hot coffee that might burn their customers.

    1-800-SUE-ACLU
     
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    Libs defending the NAMBLA and ACLU reminds me of cons defending Strom Thurmond and Jerry Falwell.

    blah blah Freedom of Speech and Assembly.
     
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