Is Obama Afraid of a Girl?

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  1. Trinity

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    If Obama can't actually win the Nomination at the Convention, then he can't be President. Should the Party Nomination be negotiated?
    Under party rules, Sen. Clinton’s huge delegate count gives her the right to put her name into nomination.

    The campaign hasn’t settled other key questions about the convention, including whether Sen. Clinton’s name will be put into nomination, said Obama spokesman Bill Burton.
    The Democratic Party Convention is a Nomination Convention - Not a Coronation. Hillary Clinton should be on the Ballot with no preconditions, unless the Democrats want to just coronate Obama without him actually winning the nomination. Obama doesn't have the magic number of delegates until all delegates including Super Delegates actually cast their vote at the Convention. Without a fair Primary election and a fair Nomination at the Convention, Obama is nothing but a lackluster candidate who worked the system during the Primary and who as the presumptive nominee was propped up by Party leaders but holds no validity from a broken Primary Process and the Nomination due to an undemocratic coronation.
    “Going into the [1932] Chicago convention, Roosevelt had well-over half of the 1,154 delegate votes needed to clinch the nomination. However, the rules of the party required a two-thirds majority, which meant that 770 votes were needed to win. As long as the Morgan forces could block any large crossovers, FDR could be defeated, despite the fact that he had won 11 of the 13 primaries in which he competed, and had won 44.5% of the total votes cast. Memories of the disastrous 1924 nominating convention, which took 103 ballots to break the deadlock between Smith and McAdoo, added to the political climate, favoring a Morgan-led anti-FDR ‘compromise’ nominee. Adding to the political minefield facing FDR, was the fact that Chicago’s Democratic mayor, Anton Cermak, was allied with the “Stop Roosevelt” forces. . .

    The Democratic Convention...Nomination or Coronation?
     
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    :veryhappy: No one wants to hear your problems :wink::biggrin1:
     
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    Hasn't Clinton already acknowledged Obama's victory and promised solidarity and support on the campaign trail?
    Isn't this just a bit much, even for you, Trinity?
     
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    We get it. You dont like Obama. If you spend less time focusing on the things that make you angry and more time on the things that make you happy, your life will improve.
     
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    Did that ever mean at the party convention that the presumptive nominee negotiated that no other candidates be on the ballot?
     
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    Stop trolling the board. What female calls a woman a girl? Another fake?
     
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    Never give up your holy quest, Trinity...

    Find Your Grail


    from Spamalot
     
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    I take it Obama followers find it difficult to answer the question and must resort to personal attacks and trolling the thread. :cool:
     
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    It would seem so. But look at the name on teh end of that sentence.
     
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    YES, a bunch of angry feminists who don't understand that they are not in agreement with most democrats-- it was a close race and she lost, and now we need to stick together.

    Unless you'd like to see more neo-conservative political policies made into horrifying realities?

    Its time for Clinton supporters to stop behaving like children and GROW T. F. UP.

    Behaving like they are... is not going to endear people to their way of thinking, and it is not going to generate sympathy. You simply cannot take the stance of "HOW CAN YOU BE SO STUPID NOT TO SEE THAT I AM RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG?". It has the opposite effect.

    The only thing they'll achieve, these foolish Clinton fans, is a McCain win in November.. and for those of you that would like to see that, then i hope he takes away your abortion, i hope he takes away discrimination laws, i hope he smiles and nods at wage inequality, and i hope that he takes all funding away from breast cancer research to pay for his short-sighted tax cuts;

    Because if the lot of you are so foolish as to feel that way, then you should get just what you ask for.
     
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  12. Trinity

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    No, there are millions of voters who do not support Obama and who believe Sen. Hillary Clinton's name should be placed in Nomination at the Convention with a Roll Call Vote without preconditions.

    This Ad by the DenverGroup, is not by disgruntled feminists but by a group representing the 18 million voters that supported Hillary Clinton.
     
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    HillaryClinton.com - blogHillary


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    Since you are confused...let me clear it up for you.

    In 1992 when Bill Clinton ran for President, Al Gore was a Democratic Candidate. Al Gore was on the ballot at the convention and received votes. At that very convention, Bill Clinton announced Al Gore as his running mate.

    Why is it that Obama requires special treatment? A candidate with Hillary Clinton's number of delegates should be put into nomination without negotiation or precondition and a Roll Call Vote should be conducted as it has been.
     
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    Maybe Clinton thinks that won't "help his campaign".

    Trinity - your horse lost the race. The technicalities are completely irrelevant.

    I assume you'll be voting McCain?
     
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    Trinity, Have you recovered from when that guy busted out your car window and bashed your head against the steering wheel?
     
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    You are over the TOP Trinity.....feeling desparate??? Senator Clinton's name will be placed in Nomination.....move on!
    Howard Dean debunks PUMA tinfoil theory [​IMG]

    by Geekesque, Thu Jul 17, 2008 at 04:29:47 PM EST
    You've heard the latest rumor and follow-up demand from the deadenders who claimed that Howard Dean is conspiring to keep Clinton off the ballot at Denver and prevent a roll call vote.
    Howard Dean, giving an interview to Chris Bower, shoots that one down.


    When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. ​
    So, he's caved to the pressure of the ardent Clinton supporters, right?
    Nope.
    Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors. ​
    Ouch.
    To recap:
    Clinton will be on the ballot. She was always going to be on the ballot. There is no way on Earth that a roll call vote would be suspended by executive fiat.
    The only person who can decide that there won't be a roll call vote is Clinton herself. And whether she wants to do that or not is entirely her call, and one that should be respected either way.
    Those who are spouting off about the roll call vote are just looking for an excuse to attack Howard Dean, the Democratic party, and Barack Obama. They are fantasists and conspiracy-mongers.
    People who engage in nonsense like this aren't interested in democracy or helping Hillary fight her fights. They're trolls with a lot of cash to burn.
     
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    Ah! A voice of reason - thanks for clearing that up, Indy.
     
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    Get over it, and stop voting for people because of their last name. Seriously, if her last name wasn't Clinton, she would be a nobody, and that is the truth.
     
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    Thursday, July 17, 2008
    An Open Letter To Howard Dean from The Denver Group


    Dear Dr. Dean,
    Through the wonders of the internet The Denver Group has learned that you have reportedly discussed us in an interview today. Since the purpose of our ads has been to make our points partly to you as well as the rest of the DNC and Democrats as a whole, normally we'd be pleased to know they are getting through to you. But based on the interviewer's characterization of your comments, we don't think you actually know much about The Denver Group, its founders, and its goals. The interviewer writes:
    When asked about the ads criticizing him and Speaker Pelosi for Clinton supposedly not being on the ballot at the convention, he [Howard Dean] scoffed. Clinton will be on the ballot at the convention, and will be speaking there. Dean indicated that the rules were so clear on this matter, that the groups running these ads and spreading these rumors must be associated with the other internet rumors going around, such as Obama being a Muslim. He also speculated that McCain supporters might be behind these rumors.
    No need for you to speculate, Dr. Dean. We are happy to tell you exactly who we are, what we expect of you and the DNC, and why your comment that Senator Clinton's name will be on the ballot is not enough. Senator Clinton's name must be put in nomination, not just "on the ballot" and the roll call vote to be a real honest and open opportunity for superdelegates to do their job under DNC rules and select the nominee at the Convention. Just saying that Senator Clinton's name will be on the ballot is not going to fool anyone. Being on the ballot counts for nothing if a candidate's name is not placed in nomination. More than 18 million Democratic voters would be pleased to hear you say publicly that there will be an open convention with Senator Clinton's name placed in nominaton and an open roll call vote.

    Since the interviewer in question does not quote you directly and certainly has never asked us about our views on any of the matters you supposedly raised in relation to our group, we are not speculating as to what you actually said or what you actually believe or know about The Denver Group and its founders, Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin. If you want to actually know and so that you have your facts right feel free to contact us.

    Sincerely,
    Heidi Li Feldman and Marc Rubin
    for The Denver Group
     
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