Is religion a good thing?

[185248]

There have been equally great minds among those who dismiss theism, and a "substantial tradition of criticism of theism." That god-believers call atheism a faith means nothing. There are atheists who call god-believers ridiculous or deluded -- does that therefore mean you are?

" You are" ? What? A great mind?

 

[Jason]

That god-believers call atheism a faith means nothing.

It means that this is an established point of view. If you support a political party you will presumably know the arguments the opposition use about your political views. If you are an atheist it would seem reasonable that you should know there are people who consider your point of view a faith and therefore a belief system.

 

[Perados]

Right, you cant proof sex at an asexual person. But you can proof sex at sexual persons...
And thats the difference to god
You cant proof god, if you believe in him, and you cant disproof, if you dont believe in him.

Thats why asexuallity isnt compareable with atheism.

Believe or not believe is a desition without reliable proofs. Thats why both sides are part of a believe system

 

[AquaEyes11010]

It means that this is an established point of view. If you support a political party you will presumably know the arguments the opposition use about your political views. If you are an atheist it would seem reasonable that you should know there are people who consider your point of view a faith and therefore a belief system.

That people who disagree with me have a characterization of me does not make the characterization true, no matter how many people hold it. There are bigoted people in the world who have their own considerations about other people, but that doesn't make their views valid, even if there are many people who share those views.

 

[Bardox]

It means that this is an established point of view. If you support a political party you will presumably know the arguments the opposition use about your political views. If you are an atheist it would seem reasonable that you should know there are people who consider your point of view a faith and therefore a belief system.

Considering something to be a certain way does not make it so. Faith is accepting something to be true without proof that said thing is true. Atheism is a lack of faith. We do not accept something to be true that has no proof nor method of verification. Repeating the statement "Atheism is a belief system" is not going to make it true. Atheism is the exact opposite of having a belief system.

 

[Jason]

From this thread I've learnt that Atheists get ever so worked up if someone says they have a belief system which may even be a faith.

 

[AquaEyes11010]

From this thread I've learnt that Atheists get ever so worked up if someone says they have a belief system which may even be a faith.

Nope -- we just correct people who say something "is so" when it isn't, even if "many people think so."

 

[rbkwp]

i wish G would hurry the .. up and get down here and do his thing
or send his boy if he cant make it..armageddon or the last coming or whatever ..

actually i suppose i have just admitted of his existence mmmm?
who the hell am i to suggest .. damnation
ooopps its religion not God oh dam

 

[Calboner]

From this thread I've learnt that Atheists get ever so worked up if someone says they have a belief system which may even be a faith.

No, we just get worked up about the utter shabbiness of your argumentative tactics, the chief of which are as follows:

1. Assign idiosyncratic meanings to terms so as to make contentious claims true by definition.
2. Adduce the fact that some people believe X as evidence of the truth of X.
3. Provide preposterous assertions as support for preposterous assertions.
4. Repeat baseless assertions endlessly.

 

[Jason]

And Calboner proves my point!

 

[701757]

From this thread I've learnt that Atheists get ever so worked up if someone says they have a belief system which may even be a faith.

Yes, bullshit does irritate me.

 

[Calboner]

And Calboner proves my point!

Since the entire content of my post consisted of exposing your intellectual dishonesty, that must mean that you equate the statement of your views with the employment of dishonest tactics. Thank you for proving my point.

You long ago ran out of effective arguments; now, when someone exposes the faults in your arguments and the dishonesty of your tactics, you don't even pretend to rebut the charge.

 

[Bardox]

From this thread I've learnt that Atheists get ever so worked up if someone says they have a belief system which may even be a faith.

No more worked up than you would be if I were to ask you why you defend religion when that religion tells you that god hates you due to nothing other than your sexual orientation. That no matter how good and moral you try to be in your life, the religions you are defending teach that you are still going to hell. That no matter how often you pray, you're existence is an affront to god and by his will you shall burn forever.

Multiple religious beliefs claim gays and bisexuals are all manor of evils. Being called everything from disgusting sinners to hell spawn to "a threat to the family". You can ignore it or say "well they didn't really mean that"... yes. They did. At the time today's major religions were founded, stoning people like you to death was considered a good thing.

Religion tells Israel they have divine permission to slaughter Palestinians because that land was promised to them by their god. Religion tells IS fighters that they have the right of it when they decapitate an "infidel" because it's what their profit would have done for the glory of their god. Religion told Christians that god was on their side during the Crusades when they slaughtered Jews and Muslims and others who denied the "truth" of Jesus Christ.

 

[Jason]

Since the entire content of my post consisted of exposing your intellectual dishonesty, that must mean that you equate the statement of your views with the employment of dishonest tactics. Thank you for proving my point.

You long ago ran out of effective arguments; now, when someone exposes the faults in your arguments and the dishonesty of your tactics, you don't even pretend to rebut the charge.

This is a pretty offensive post.

 

[798686]

That god-believers call atheism a faith means nothing. There are atheists who call god-believers ridiculous or deluded -- does that therefore mean you are?

They're about as valid as each other, as statements. Opinions - not necessarily false, but not necessarily true either.

 

[AquaEyes11010]

They're about as valid as each other, as statements. Opinions - not necessarily false, but not necessarily true either.

His point was that "atheism is a belief because critics of atheism say it is." My point was that if that's all one needs for something to "be so", then examine what some critics of theism say and let that carry the same weight.

 

[798686]

His point was that "atheism is a belief because critics of atheism say it is." My point was that if that's all one needs for something to "be so", then examine what some critics of theism say and let that carry the same weight.

I knew what you meant - I was using it to say it holds the same weight as your comment that God-believers are deluded lunatics. Very little - since it's pov rather than fact.

 

[rbkwp]

This is a pretty offensive post.



agree J
dont see that at all in your informative posts ..

 

[vince]

When logic fails, being offended by that which is not, is the argument of last resort.

Je suis Charlie.

 

[rbkwp]

thats what you get for being a part of a religion.org/sect maybe ..
send Francis around on his horrible Pope mobile to sort them out .

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