Is suicide ever okay?

[Rikter8]

Why are we as a society so selfish to keep terminally ill people alive until their bodies waste away to nothing?
Why are WE so selfish to drag their pain out so that we can have them for one more day. Or One more year?
I don't think suicide is selfish in the right conditions.

I do think it's a good idea for the 'It Gets Better Project" to curb teen suicides as theyre committing suicide for stupid reasons. Need to curb the younngins from doing anything drastic.

But - for someone like me, that has suffered through severe depression all their life, despite therapy, meds, herbs, and thousands of dollars of "Get better" propaganda it's not selfish. If it weren't for my family - I would not be here.

For anyone thinking about suicide, you need to try to find the root of your problems and make an effor to fix things if you can. It doesn't happen over night.
If you haven't gone through the Meds list from top to bottom and therapy....suicide isn't an option.
I would suggest committing "Virtual" suicide first and see how your life changes.

 

[helgaleena]

I already self cuddled a few times this morning.

:banana:

 

[petite]

Do I really come off as that depressed? This thread isn't a cry for help or attention, it's just a general question about your views on suicide.

I'm glad to hear that!

We'll never agree on the ultimate importance of social status, and it worries me how important it is to you. I know that judging the value of one's life based upon that will only make someone miserable, and you have frequently admitted to being unhappy. You are unforgivingly harsh and judgmental towards yourself, very unkind, and your view on your own life is so dark that you did make me concerned when I saw who created this thread.

I experienced suicidal thoughts when I experienced SSRI withdrawal symptoms and it was the first time I was able to understand that mental anguish is not a lesser pain than the physical pain that most people are able to empathize with so easily. I am lucky that I was rational and understood that my experience was temporary and would be over in a few weeks, and I endured until it was over, because I love my life now. A wonderful man loves me and we're starting a family together, and we're happy.

Be careful with SSRIs. Dangerous stuff.

 

[D_Hammond Happydipper]

Do I really come off as that depressed?

same here
Guessing most people expect me to be some jerk? :biggrin1:
Right now I am trying to settle in to my old jerk personalty..Thats what other want me to be. :lmao:

 

[helgaleena]

I'm glad to hear that!

We'll never agree on the ultimate importance of social status, and it worries me how important it is to you. I know that judging the value of one's life based upon that will only make someone miserable, and you have frequently admitted to being unhappy. You are unforgivingly harsh and judgmental towards yourself, very unkind, and your view on your own life is so dark that you did make me concerned when I saw who created this thread.

I experienced suicidal thoughts when I experienced SSRI withdrawal symptoms and it was the first time I was able to understand that mental anguish is not a lesser pain than the physical pain that most people are able to empathize with so easily. I am lucky that I was rational and understood that my experience was temporary and would be over in a few weeks, and I endured until it was over, because I love my life now. A wonderful man loves me and we're starting a family together, and we're happy.

Be careful with SSRIs. Dangerous stuff.

So glad you stopped the SSRIs when you found out baby was coming. I heard only today that they can cause birth defects. I know I was also advised to avoid them while nursing. Like caffeine only more so! You are obviously going to be a good parent.

 

[rob_just_rob]

Yes, in some circumstances.

The circumstances are more limited than you would think, though.

 

[petite]

So glad you stopped the SSRIs when you found out baby was coming. I heard only today that they can cause birth defects. I know I was also advised to avoid them while nursing. Like caffeine only more so! You are obviously going to be a good parent.

That actually happened long before I got pregnant, but I was on two other medications that I stopped as soon as I found out I was pregnant. Since I suspected that I might be pregnant since the moment of conception, I knew at only 4 weeks! So I was able to stop anything dangerous very early. Since then I've stayed away from everything possible, even acetaminophen and claritin. It's overcautious, I know, but I'd rather be very careful than carry any burdens of guilt for the rest of my life, as I've watched my parents do because of my sister.

I would never take any antidepressant while pregnant! I don't need to read any evidence of it's dangers to know that it would have to be damaging and alter the development of a baby's brain. SSRIs are known to change change not only the brain chemistry in adults, but also alter neural connections. There is no possible way to know yet how that would affect a baby. I would never take such a huge risk with my child!

After having experienced SSRI withdrawal symptoms, I have thought about how it must affect a baby after it's born! Surely that baby undergoes withdrawal symptoms after birth, just like a baby addicted to alcohol or crack does. That has to have a much deeper affect on a developing mind than an adult one. It's not only extremely cruel - I experienced fear, strange body sensations, hallucinations, and all sorts of other typical drug withdrawal symptoms - it has to be significantly brain and personality damaging.

The idea frightens me.

 

[deleted15807]

So glad you stopped the SSRIs when you found out baby was coming. I heard only today that they can cause birth defects. I know I was also advised to avoid them while nursing. Like caffeine only more so! You are obviously going to be a good parent.

All those anti-depressents almost always come with some huge downside, either in using them or getting off of them. There's a big debate going on now if they even work at all.

The Journal of the American Medical Association study said that for most patients, commonly used antidepressants are no better than a placebo.

Before You Quit Antidepressants

 

[Notthe7]

Absolutely... and the fact people get criminally prosecuted for trying to jump off a bridge (etc) is disgusting.

Kick them while they are down < American Motto

 

[petite]

Don't you think you are over reacting just a bit?
I don't understand what you are describing here, are you currently pregnant, have you had a successful pregnancy?
Don't you think pharma companies know what they are giving patients?
maybe you are naturally suicidal and can't help hating your self?
A god psych goes a long way and pays dividents for such ailments.

Did you even read the post that you're quoting? Or the ones before it? Yes, I'm pregnant!

You're very naive if you think that pharma companies are trustworthy and that I should assume that pharma drugs are safe during pregnancy.

Having experienced what it's like to go through withdrawal symptoms, why would I risk my baby experiencing the same thing?

 

[petite]

Wow, you are such a jackass! Oh, it's because you're my personal troll!

I've never had one before! I feel so honored to be granted such personal attention! Except you are verging on the level of "stalker" now.

We'll examine you for instance, you say you were suicidal when you weened off SSRI's....right?
It is obvious you were suicidal before going on them or else you would not need them.

Wrong. Your assumptions are wrong.

I had never been suicidal and I was not taking them for depression. I was not taking them for any psychological disorders because I don't have any.

I've never been suicidal since and I haven't suffered from depression since then. Those were entirely withdrawal symptoms.

The SSRI made a non-depressed, non-suicidal person suicidal.

So how are they safe?

I took them assuming that they were safe, just like you're assuming. I learned differently. They're very dangerous.

 

[b1gm3]

Coming from a non-religious background and on the basis of pro choice and self autonomy, then yes. Suicide is completely up to the person as long as he/she is given all the help possible. To coerce someone into thinking their life can improve when in some cases it really can't would only be torturing them.

The same debate can go for euthanasia, assisted death which in the grand scheme of things is suicide.

Suicide is never the path to take, but ultimately as 'free' human beings we should have the capacity to make up our own educated decision on whether if ending our life will really the best decision. If we are incapable of being rational then our place in society is severely compromised as is.

 

[Rikter8]

I would hope if someone wanted to kill themselves, they would reach out and seek help, there is help and hope, Just call: 1-800-273-TALK

And..how do you know you won't get Hickboy on the other end of the line?