Is Suicide the Answer When It All get's Too Much?

[deleted15807]

That depends on wether you're talking about people in medical pain or mental pain. Deep in mental anguish there often seems like there will never, ever be a better day. Trust me I know. People in that state can't so it alone and need help from a professional or people around them to circle the wagon. Medical issues are another story. I'd like to think I could fight to the end. I'd hate to be, maybe a person that had polio and killed myself the day before they announced that very cure (was it in the 40's?).

In either instance a person should have the right and self-determination to end it all if they see fit. As I said some problems are intractable and simply unsolvable. And all the King's horses and all the King's men cannot put Humpty together again.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

In either instance a person should have the right and self-determination to end it all if they see fit. As I said some problems are intractable and simply unsolvable. And all the King's horses and all the King's men cannot put Humpty together again.

Well of course a person should have that right. But actually very very rarely indeed are problems that intractable and frankly your comments are highly irresponsible.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

I haven't read the whole thread so apologize if I'm going over old ground.
The one case where I think suicide is the answer is where one has an invariably fatal illness that brings a predictably drawn-out, unpleasant end.
If I had ALS, I could imagine killing myself as I neared the point where my ability to act was about to be lost.
Or a fatal illness for which good pain control was not achievable. (I don't know if there really are such illnesses, if you have a doctor with a no-holds-barred approach to reducing pain.)

 

[helgaleena]

My father is a really abusive person, to the point where when I was two years my mother tried to kill herself by overdosing on pills. She was unsuccessful. But after that whole instance, they divorced and my father got custody of me. He was terribly abusive towards me, and eventually he remarried a woman who was equally as awful as him. Then September 11th occurs, and I can remember wishing my father would never come home from his job. Eventually he did, but he came back a broken, shattered man. Incapable of recovery. If he wasn't beating me he was crying. My stepmother soon after died of ovarian cancer, and my father really was in no position to continue taking care of me. Eventually he abandoned me, and I wound up living with my grandparents. My grandparents are nice people, but they are not really parent figures or overbearing. I've been on my own, making my own decisions, and in control of my own life for as long as I can remember. And I'm sick of it. And I don't see why deciding to end it now would be any different then spending the next thirty years of my life miserable, and then deciding to do it then. Why condemn someone to live such a miserable life when it can just be over? You can say 'things will get better' all you want, but that may not be the case for me. You do not know what the future holds. And whether I live or die has no bearing on your life. You should just let it go. I know I should. I feel like replying to this thread was a mistake.

Be assured, it was not a mistake. Like many others who have replied to this thread, you have thought and felt seriously about the subject and it is never wrong to accept that you are one of many.

And also be assured that like many who have grown up abused you have mixed feelings about others having control over your life in the future. Part of you wishes for the loving nurturing you did not receive, and you will have to learn to provide it to yourself at some level, because nobody is going to ever measure up to a parent you never actually had. Another part of you senses danger in any kind of close relationship because they have always been bad before, and you had no way to get away when it was bad. Distant grandparents at least make nothing worse.

Rest assured that if you do choose to edit your own life in any way, it will be by your own choice now that you are legally grown.

I think you would enjoy reading the blog here written by comically, the son of an abusive dad who learned how to love.

 

[deleted15807]

Well of course a person should have that right. But actually very very rarely indeed are problems that intractable and frankly your comments are highly irresponsible.

Is it responsible to suggest all issues/problems/maladies are 100% fixable? You say 'very very very rarely'. You should research that before you say it. Medical literature suggest 20% of patients that present themselves for help with depression will not respond to treatment. And 20% is a very high number for 'very very very rarely'.

 

[deleted15807]

Interesting story on suicide and the Golden Gate Bridge:


Lethal Beauty / The Allure: Beauty and an easy route to death have long made the Golden Gate Bridge a magnet for suicides

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

Is it responsible to suggest all issues/problems/maladies are 100% fixable? You say 'very very very rarely'. You should research that before you say it. Medical literature suggest 20% of patients that present themselves for help with depression will not respond to treatment. And 20% is a very high number for 'very very very rarely'.

This isn't a circ thread Sargon, and I don't recall mentioning clinical outcomes of treatment for depression.

 

[deleted15807]

This isn't a circ thread Sargon, and I don't recall mentioning clinical outcomes of treatment for depression.

A. What does 'circ' have to do with anything?
B. You said 'very very very rare' problems are intractable which seems to suggest you were talking about depression. If that was incorrect I retract the statement. However I can assure you as the link alludes to problems/depression can indeed be intractable. There is a link between 'problems' and 'depression'. There is indeed a direct path between the two.

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

I really wish when my cousin David went into the bathroom, locked the door and shot his head off he had really thot about his problems. I wish he had thought of some sort of therapy. But I know even as a person that sometimes gets depressed that THAT kind of answer doesn't come into play. You try to figure out a way out of what y'r feeling mentally, even if it's not clear, but somehow reaching out for help doesn't come into play for the person going thru it. I think that's why it's important to pay special attention to someone you who's personality might be changing. Luckily suicide is thought of a hair more differently than when my cousin killed himself years ago. Back then it was all pushed under the rug AFTER it happened. I really hope more people are being attentive to the inklings of others these days. Remember they used to say that people that wanted to commit suicide would just go and do it and that people who mentioned it wouldn't do it. It's not true.

 

[helgaleena]

People who mention it want help, that's for certain. Let's try to help then, even if the person or us helping don't exactly know what is needed.

I know that when I got up the courage to say I was that unhappy, I did not always get sympathy. Sometimes I got scolded. But any feedback at all will break the internal cycle of negative feedback that is digging the hole deeper.

 

[tgirlsrgreat]

Saw this movie and personally I feel the opposite..there's always an answer, something is always going to come along to change things. but sometimes you really do think in your mind that nothing good is going to happen to you.

YouTube - 'night Mother 9/9 Sissy Spacek Anne Bancroft

no, there is always a better answer.

 

[HellsKitchenmanNYC]

no, there is always a better answer.

Despite being a movie w/two consumate actresses I think that's the point.

 

[Rikter8]

Interesting story on suicide and the Golden Gate Bridge:


Lethal Beauty / The Allure: Beauty and an easy route to death have long made the Golden Gate Bridge a magnet for suicides

Since that article, they have begun the suicide barrier project. I saw an article on CNN a few months back about it..but couldn't find the article.

Here's a link to the actual project.
Golden Gate Bridge Suicide Barrier