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Discussion in 'Et Cetera, Et Cetera' started by Lordpendragon, May 27, 2007.
If there is - I vote G minor.
YouTube - Adagio in G minor by Albinoni
What do you think?
I don't know about gay, but I heard there was a secret chord that David played, and it pleased the Lord....
it's available (for a price) at the crossdressroads
There once was a note, pure and easy,
Playing so free like a breath, rippling by.
There once was a note, listen!
Of course! You can clearly hear the sound of homosexuality in the notes here
YouTube - Abba - Dancing Queen
I think you're thilly.
It'th thee sharp minor.
I think you're queering the pitch again.
...but you don't really care for that, now do you?
Very good Babylon.
I was listening to this peice late last night, it is undoubtedly a classic of Baroque, and it struck me as being particularly homo-sensual.
Was Albinoni gay? I couldn't imagine Bach composing this piece.
It is very difficult to say if historical figures from before the construction of our current orientation paradigm were or weren't gay, but Albinoni doesn't (based on what little we know) seem a particularly good candidate. He was married, for what that is worth.
But this piece of music absolutely is gay. We claim it as our own. (You can have Wagner's Ring Cycle, and I mean all of it, in return.)
Well, yes, but he got married very late, and was of independent means.
I was just thinking that other art forms can be homo-erotic, so why not music.
You can't have Mahler's fifth nor Rodriguez' adagio.
I don't particularly want Wagner either - there was a very prominent homosexual at my University City who ran the best eating pub for miles around - he played Wagner all night at 11 :tongue:
To the later point, what I understand that to mean is that he was not a church musician, one of the clearer indicators of homosexuality.
The argument has always been that music has intensity, but not didactic content, so that it has no sexual connotation. I'm not defending that assertion, but it is commonly accepted.
Agreed. But we get all of Schubert, most of Chopin, and Tchaikovsky's good stuff.
If you take Mahler, you have to take Wagner, too. That is just the way it works.
Boleros - but I will consider this in some depth.
You can't have Schubert - not even Ave Maria.
Perhaps you could tell me which piece you find most sexual.
There is a lot of "program" music which is descriptive, but musicologists insist that music is a "pure" form with content unable to be rendered into language.
I was with you until now, but if you don't find Schubert's music to have a gay sensibility, I must doubt your entire premise.
Stravinky's Rite of Spring is one big rut, but the single most sexual piece of music I know is "Pur ti miro" from Monteverdi's Coronation of Poppea. (Sorry, there is another piece attached at the front of the video. The Monteverdi starts at about 4:00.) The two vocal lines intertwine in such a way that they, well, fuck. Str8, but very hot.
Mr. DJ: Cue up and play some fuggin' ABBA "DANCING QUEEN".
I LOVE THIS MUHFUGGIN' SONG!!!!! :dance:<========Invisibleman is dancing but he's no queen. :banana:<=======Some guy from Johnny Essay dancing here. Hehehe. (BIGUY:smile: ) :boobies2: <====Straight guys dig the dancing queen.
There was an effeminate, moonbeamish tradition in Chopin playing at one time ... but do you know of anything in his life that suggests, erm, inversion?
You gotta remember: He had several female lovers, including Georges Sand.
*slaps head *
Oh. Yes. That.
Seriously, are you privy, ff, to some information you can share?
Yeah. It must've been Gsus. :smile:
All I can say is that the gay chord is at LEAST 4 octaves above the "brown" note...:tongue:
It is both the tone of the music and the over-the-top tradition of performance that made me suggest we own him, but I did find this tidbit on the internet this morning: "Chopin had a gay mate, a physician, called Sciefan Dziakon."
He spent all of his time in the Paris parlors of young countesses(to whom he dedicated several of his pieces). When he wasn't giving the young countesses piano lessons, he was performing in front of a salon audience filled with either the wealthy or literary types. He's a genius as a composer, but he lived an enclosed effete parlor lifestyle brimming with "les sentiments du coeur". That lifestyle would turn anyone gay :smile:. (Chopin is one of my favorite classical composers to play. I even adored playing Chopin growing up).
From a more positive perspective, you need gay artists and musicians who (arguably) have time on their hands to help advance cultural and civilization. It's sad that child-rearing is given first prize as some form of accomplishment and achievement when so much more focus, energy, and attention is required to create pieces that culturally endure.