I think you're queering the pitch again.
I don't know about gay, but I heard there was a secret chord that David played, and it pleased the Lord....
I think you're queering the pitch again.
It is very difficult to say if historical figures from before the construction of our current orientation paradigm were or weren't gay, but Albinoni doesn't (based on what little we know) seem a particularly good candidate. He was married, for what that is worth.Was Albinoni gay? I couldn't imagine Bach composing this piece.
To the later point, what I understand that to mean is that he was not a church musician, one of the clearer indicators of homosexuality.Well, yes, but he got married very late, and was of independent means.
The argument has always been that music has intensity, but not didactic content, so that it has no sexual connotation. I'm not defending that assertion, but it is commonly accepted.I was just thinking that other art forms can be homo-erotic, so why not music.
Agreed. But we get all of Schubert, most of Chopin, and Tchaikovsky's good stuff.You can't have Mahler's fifth nor Rodriguez' adagio.
If you take Mahler, you have to take Wagner, too. That is just the way it works.I don't particularly want Wagner either - there was a very prominent homosexual at my University City who ran the best eating pub for miles around - he played Wagner all night at 11 :tongue:
The argument has always been that music has intensity, but not didactic content, so that it has no sexual connotation. I'm not defending that assertion, but it is commonly accepted.
There is a lot of "program" music which is descriptive, but musicologists insist that music is a "pure" form with content unable to be rendered into language.Boleros - but I will consider this in some depth.
I was with you until now, but if you don't find Schubert's music to have a gay sensibility, I must doubt your entire premise.You can't have Schubert - not even Ave Maria.
Stravinky's Rite of Spring is one big rut, but the single most sexual piece of music I know is "Pur ti miro" from Monteverdi's Coronation of Poppea. (Sorry, there is another piece attached at the front of the video. The Monteverdi starts at about 4:00.) The two vocal lines intertwine in such a way that they, well, fuck. Str8, but very hot.Perhaps you could tell me which piece you find most sexual.
Of course! You can clearly hear the sound of homosexuality in the notes here
YouTube - Abba - Dancing Queen
But we get all of Schubert, most of Chopin, and Tchaikovsky's good stuff.
I don't know about gay, but I heard there was a secret chord that David played, and it pleased the Lord....
It is both the tone of the music and the over-the-top tradition of performance that made me suggest we own him, but I did find this tidbit on the internet this morning: "Chopin had a gay mate, a physician, called Sciefan Dziakon."Why Chopin?
There was an effeminate, moonbeamish tradition in Chopin playing at one time ... but do you know of anything in his life that suggests, erm, inversion?
You gotta remember: He had several female lovers, including Georges Sand.
*slaps head *
Oh. Yes. That.
Seriously, are you privy, ff, to some information you can share?
Why Chopin?
There was an effeminate, moonbeamish tradition in Chopin playing at one time ... but do you know of anything in his life that suggests, erm, inversion?
You gotta remember: He had several female lovers, including Georges Sand.
*slaps head *
Oh. Yes. That.
Seriously, are you privy, ff, to some information you can share?