Is there anyone like Ron Paul in the UK?

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  1. dongalong

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    I'm not so interested in politics usually but I happened to see the interview that the presidential candidate Ron Paul had with ABC's John Stossel and was really impressed by his straight talking, quick thinking and conviction.
    More research about him showed that those with influence (the media) want to shut him up! That interview wasn't aired on national TV and I discovered that even Myspace censor any bulletins written about him but he remains the most Googled politician in the USA.

    Anyway, I can't vote for him because I'm British and I live in France so I'm not very clued up on UK politics, so I was wondering, is there a UK equivalent of Ron Paul, a libertatian who wants to reduce the role of government in our lives?
     
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    I do admit I dont know as much about politics as I could.But Is"nt Ron Paul kind of a laughing joke?
     
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    Libertarian philosophies might sound interesting on paper, but in real life, libertarians either compromise to the point of irrelevance or else are scary.

    Life without the FDA? Really?
     
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    Seriously?

    Jeez, some people are so easily led... :rolleyes:
     
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    Libertarian theory has really never been given a chance in practice.
    Smaller communities in what is now America, may have practiced some form early on, but never on a grand scale. On smaller scale, it is common for countries with highly centralized government, to lose or be unable to enforce their federated powers due to geographic issues and the people in these lands live in some sort of atmosphere of free will without government interference.

    In some communities, this can be dangerous and lead to a sort of hacienda system. In others, people just live and work in the same manner as everyone else. I'm thinking two examples would be in C. America, like the Sinaloa cartel gaining power because they provide services in outlying communities (healthcare, schools, jobs ) the government couldn't. Or, in a good example, would be coca farmers who live outside the bounds of central govt., have no federal protection, and provide for their individual and community welfare through commerce/trade. They have a self-sufficiency that many libertarians would like to bring back to the people of the U.S.

    FDA, FBI, FEMA, all these agencies are good, but we are slowly becoming a nanny society. People who need a guiding force for common sense. I think in a true emergency, or a breakdown in society, it will all come down to the local level - and I do not feel the current structure of government allows people to learn how to take care of themselves. Libertarianism sort of forces it.
     
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    I take quite an interest in US politics, and I know who Ron Paul is, but on the whole in the UK he is unknown.
     
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    So is McCain and Bush. They are racist also. They let the Black people in New Orleans suffer and kill each other and didn't give them any aid.
    Ron Paul does make a good point against the Civil Rights Act. They want quotas on each of the races rather than hiring based on whomever qualifies. Suppose all of the black candidates qualify for a job and non of the whites or hispanics qualify. Now with the civil rights act, they must hire 25% of each of the 4 basic races. Now they can only hire one fourth of the qualified blacks and they must hire some token whites, hispanics and Asians to meet their quotas.
    Now for the KKK supporting Ron Paul, their money was already rejected by the Dems and Republicans and Ron Paul needs all the financial support he can get to restore the Constitutional government and do away with the Rothschild family takeover of this nation. If you do the research, the Rothschilds can care less about the Blacks and other minorities and have even wanted us dead so they planned 911 and the New Orleans flood. Bush is part of this family and by seeing his actions in 911- reading story book to a kindergarten class while 911 was going on? and taking a vacation to Texas while New Orleans was flooded? See that? The republicans want us dead. I don't trust Democrats either. Clinton allowed the first attack against the Trade center and even worked with them against the Russians back in the early 90s. Clinton trained them so Bush can let the same terrorists attack us. Although Obama may seem like the right choice, he is in the same party as the man who trained the terrorists.
    As for the FDA, FCC, and all those bullshit lobby groups, they can all drop dead. I don't need a nanny. The FDA has been known to ban drugs that have helped people in other parts of the world like Europe. They have also raised the prices of our drugs by monopolizing brand names within our country and barring cheaper drug substitutes from Canada or Mexico. I even tried to buy Propecia for $20USD and the FDA confiscated it even though it was the same exact brand and the same exact drug for a lot less than the US $114 price.
    FCC and their indecent laws can also go to hell. What gives them the right to tell me I can't watch porn or anything they deem "indecent". WHo knows, if the current feds get their ways, even Mickey Mouse may be deemed "indecent" and we will be stuck watching church sermons on television for the rest of our lives.
    The point is, we have given our government so much power to control us, it is no longer the government by the people for the people which the libertarians want to restore but now it is the government by the Rothschild for the Rothschild. They have given us the illusion of freedom but we are totally under their thumbs. An example- the IRS. Now I will strike a nerve. They have used the magic of withholding our money throughout the year so that we don't miss it and then give us back the "refund". How we respond to the IRASS? "Oh boy, I love the IRS! They gave me a refund. Whooppeee!!!" Now to smack some sense into you guys. That refund could have been used during the year to earn YOU interest instead of the IRS. If you were taxed at the END of the year, the ignorant would hate the IRS because they would owe the full amount at the end of the year instead of getting that "refund". But wait! You could have put that money in the bank and earned 5% from that money before "performing your duty to pay the tax to the government" or to the Rothschild who owns the IRS in reality. Personally, I would rather keep my money throughout the year, earn interest, then pay the government what I supposedly "owe".
    The best weapon of this tyrannical government today- the Republicans and Democrats is the weapon of our ignorance. They lie to us every day. Now, people are starting to see this tyrant for what it really is and it is time for us to wake up.
     
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    I always felt "Libertarian" was a misnomer when applied to Paul.

    He seems far more like a real-life, honest-to-goodness Conservative (Not a NeoCon like most of the Republicans these days) and Constitutionalist.

    Being in favor of States' Rights and control and against Federal bloating and oversight is not really Libertarian.
     
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    Yes. However, his candidacy was the closest to Libertarian views, thus he got lumped in with Libertarianism and its supporters. He is indeed more of a true Conservative, as opposed to Neocons or even Reagan conservatives.

    And NJ, you, like most when it comes to Paul's views, missed the point and proceeded to villify the man based on views without looking at the reasoning behind them. That doesn't make Paul evil or racist, but it says plenty about people's tendancy to jump to damning conclusions about people, particularly when the media gives the jumpers a leg-up.
     
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    Are you serious? Ironic? Having fun?
    Or do you really believe all of this stuff?
    Clinton allowed the first attack against the World Trade Center? Prove it.
    The funding of the mujahadin in Afghanistan was over by 1989, when the Russians got out. G.H.W. Bush was president back then.
    Where do you get the Rothschilds have so much power in the United States?
    And what do they have to do with the IRS?
    I'd put the crack pipe down if I were you, darkseid.
    Your post was pure paranoid ranting of the worst kind.
     
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    Ron Paul has a way of bringing them out.
     
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    Then he should be Pope Of The Ultracrepidating Shitheads.:rolleyes:
     
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    You must be a GH&GW Bush supporter Rubi because you speak just like one. Stop being ignorant and look around you. America is falling apart because the Democrats and Republicans have dominated this country and we have no other choices. I would sew a zipper on my mouth if we had at least 4 choices for presidential candidates instead of 2! And any third party is always outvoted by people's ignorance or lack of awareness of them. I personally don't think having just 2 choices for presidents is a democracy.
    As for the info on Rothschilds, look them up in wikipedia and you'll see how much they have taken over most of the world including the USA. I don't even have to speak any further on this because the proof is there and if you fail to see it, then I can do nothing about it.
     
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    LOL

    should have seen that one coming a mile away...replace the name "Rothschilds" with "Jews" and we pretty much know where you were going with it...

    had your nose in your dog-eared copy of "The Protocols OF The Elders Of Zion" lately?

    or was it "The Bloodlines of the Illuminati" ? :rolleyes:

    or are you just upset that they make such good wine that you cannot afford?

    Just FYI, the Rothschilds have not, in fact, taken over most of the world....
    although they seem to have taken over most of the very large part of your brain devoted to paranoia.
     
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    The conspiracy theories are a hard pill to swallow but with the way things are going in this country with Bush running it they are making more sense. You can't flame or blame some people for believing it because Bush and all those related to him are making it happen. I believe also that by putting the power of printing money in the hands of the Rothschild and the power to regulate money to the Federal Reserve they have already decreased our dollar value down to 1/100 of it's value by overprinting. That is why I hate talking to flaming patriots, they never listen and are a waste of breath. If you guys won't listen, there are plenty of people who have waken up and see this government for what it really is- a tyranny that opposes the constitution that is run by a few rich families. And when shit hits the fan, we will all say, "I told you so..." If I am paranoid, then explain WHY, don't just say that I am. So far, all you have said was I am paranoid without backing yourselves up.
     
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    so you did in fact read "The Bloodlines of the Illuminati"? LOL

    wild guess on my part...but obviously i hit the bullseye.
     
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    I'm going with Mearsheimer and Walt.
    Most people I encounter that blame Jewish influence for America's problems have usually read Mearsheimer and Walt recently as well.

    Btw, Flashy, I'm watching Frasier. :dance:
     
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    hello seattle

    I'm listening

    :biggrin1:
     
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