Is there really still a "circumsized is better" culture?

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  1. Gopher

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    In response to another post that I won't name but reading the comments I have a genuine questions.

    Is there really still a stigma these days?

    In my opinion its getting a little ridiculous if people are still opting in for cosmetic circumcision because they choose to believe it looks better.
     
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    Everyone has their own preferences. if an adult likes the look - good for them.
    I think the real question needs to be about infant circumcision.
    The child should have the choice - as an adult. As they chose to pierce, to tattoo, to make holes in their earlobe. Taste varies, but it's a personal choice for an adult to make. IMO

    Oh - yes, definitely still a stigma, but it lessens each year I think.
     
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    Unfortunately, I've run into that multiple times. It's frustrating, being an uncut man myself. As much as I don't understand the preference, I can abide by people having one. But spouting stigmas and lies is what bothers me. I came across a girl online who was complaining that uncut dicks are always filthy, which is just simply not true. Maybe the guy she was with didn't keep it clean, but I do. I've never once had anyone tell me in almost 40 years that my dick was dirty. It's unfortunate and frustrating because that just perpetuates the stigma, and people buy into it.
     
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    I would argue that the preference is learnt though, the porn industry, peers, family etc all perpetuate it. If people get bullied for it or are told one is better they will naturally develop a preference regardless off the reality of the fact.
     
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    You bring an image to my mind of (18!) year old girls in a locker room talking about how ugly cocks are & EWWWW foreskins are really gross! All agreeing, many having never actually seen one or having been properly pleased by one.

    slowly we get the word out.
    Besides, boys will masturbate regardless, so really it's just an unnecessary expense.
     
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    It really depends on your location. Europe actually has the opposite with being very pro uncut and anti circumcision gin as far as calling it male genital mutilation. This has a negative effect on the increasing Muslim population that do get cut for religious reasons. Us tends to lean more to the pro circumcision but that stance has softened a bit in reason years. Canada tends to be 50/50 due to the mix population so it really depends on your cultural background. Before people start asking for documentation on my breakdown . I am talking about my own anecdotal evidenced. People I have talked to and things I have read , and men I had the fortune of seeing their peepee
     
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    Well if a person feels they prefer the look of a cut penis then that is their personal choice, put if that "opinion" is molded on societal pressure and unfounded stereotypes, then yes I find that a bit silly
     
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    There are parts of the population that are circumcised at birth, some at eight days old. It's called a bris. As a covenant between God and Abraham for the latter. An everlasting covenant.

    To call it genital mutilation is just as bad as saying that uncut is gross nasty and disgusting.

    After all, those of us that were cut at birth were cut because our parents thought it best for us. Just like feeding us and taking care of us while we were unable to take care of ourselves.
    I for one am not angry because I was cut, nor do I put a stigmatism on those that were not cut. I personally have encountered both. Those that don't take care of themselves and those that do, cut and uncut alike.

    The same goes for personal hygiene. Some folks don't take a shower often enough while I normally take a couple of showers a day.

    I am content being cut. I've never known any other way of looking at it. I never knew I was born with a foreskin until I was grown. It doesn't bother me that mine was removed at birth. I don't understand why so many men put such an emphasis on a body part that nobody sees unless you go around naked all the time.

    Neither cut nor uncut guys had a say in how they were left with or without as infants. Just accept it or go through the process of restoring.
     
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    I thought we're all supposed to respect diversity.
     
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    A culture of better continues out of ignorance in the US. Not sure how it’s changed over the years but now it’s like a tradition, it’s done, and not understood.
     
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    Being altered and being left normal are two different things. Regardless of whatever your view, a change like that shouldn’t be made by your parents. Your option shouldn’t have to be to restore, for years, something that you were naturally born with and shouldn’t have been removed in the first place. And restoration gives you skin, it doesn’t regrow your prepuce or frenulum if it has been removed.
     
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    Who are you, and who is anyone else but someone's parents, to say that a circumcision shouldn't have been performed?

    Again, we should respect diversity, and that extends to everyone, not merely those whose beliefs align with ours.
     
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    Turning it around, who are YOU or anyone else, who feels they have the right to permanently alter their children’s genitalia?

    Chopping of body parts unnecessarily isn’t respecting diversity, it respecting needless amputation. Subtracting religious. And the people working to restore are the ones who should have had a say.
     
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    Well obviously you are an intact male based on your pics. And circumcision didn't effect you as you are uncircumcised. The way you wrote I was thinking you had been circumcised at birth. Your opinion on new born males being circumcised is your opinion. The same as mine.

    True for those of us that were cut we didn't have a choice, a say in the matter. We wouldn't have had a say for 18 yrs in the USA.

    I personally have no regrets about what my parents thought was best for me. Just like my father, and his father didn't have a say in being circumcised.. I've never missed not having a foreskin.

    I didn't have a say in a lot of things that happened to me while growing up as most young people don't.

    But to be obsessed over something that neither you nor I had control over is ridiculous. I'm not sure when dicks became such an important part of today's conversation. Half the world has one and for generations parents have been making the decision to either circumcise or leave their sons foreskin intact.

    It doesn't change the functions of the dick only the aesthetics. I can still piss with it, jack it off, get hard. It works just as it was intended to work. I don't have to have lube to masrerbate either.

    Being circumcised is as natural to me as your having a foreskin is to you.. It would seem that it's you who puts a stigmatism on us cut guys for something that 99.9% of us had no control over in the first place. I'm happy with my dick and the way it looks and functions. I've never had any complaints.
     
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    I am in a unique situation. My brothers were cut. I was somehow born with a very loose foreskin and had been told I was cut. I lived like that for about 25 years. There is a very real difference and to believe there isn’t is naive. The function is also different. The sensitivity affords different sexual side effects. Truly, while the function differences are not really the argument, the right of choice is. Frankly, it’s not a choice anymore than having an arm amputated is, sure it’s an extreme comparison, but the point is, it’s not a part of the body that should be the choice of another to take. It’s ridiculous. And the practice doesn’t continue because our parents know what’s best for us, it continues because dad was and it continues because nobody knows the difference. They were mislead by a medical system that doesn’t know what’s best for you and the pediatric association doesn’t even recommend it anymore, are people rushing to change now? It started out of ignorance and it continues out of ignorance. And something as petty as aesthetics shouldn’t be a reason for a surgery as drastic as routine infant circumcision.
     
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    Thank you. So perfectly expressed. And as I've said in other groups on other sites, frankly, I'm tired of the discussion.
     
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    Why do you all think this shit always comes up? You are tired of hearing about it. If this was a choice an adult had to make to himself, it would only come up and the differences be celebrated. Until that happens, there are going to be an ample supply of wronged circumcised people.
     
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    With all the "hooded growers" (@DildoShwaggins ) bragging and flaunting, there certainly will be more men who feel slighted.
     
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    As an adult I did hear that uncircumcised penis's caused cervical cancer. Didn't pay much attention to it because It didn't really affect me.


    Spread of HPV

    By Salynn Boyles
    This article is from the WebMD News Archive

    This content has not been reviewed within the past year and may not represent WebMD's most up-to-date information.



    Jan. 6, 2011 -- Circumcising men can reduce cervical cancer risk in women, a new study shows.

    The study involved more than 1,200 HIV-negative, heterosexual couples living in Uganda, where circumcision of male adults is increasingly encouraged as a means of slowing the spread of HIV/AIDS.

    Half the men received the surgical procedure at enrollment and the other half were scheduled for circumcision after their participation in the trial ended.

    Two years later, the female partners of the men who remained uncircumcised were more likely than the partners of the circumcised men to be infected with human papilloma virus (HPV) types most often associated with cervical cancer.




    In earlier trials, Johns Hopkins University researcher Aaron A.R. Tobian, MD, PhD, and colleagues showed that male circumcision reduces HIV infection, HPV in men, and genital herpes.

    The new study appears online Friday in TheLancet.


    “It is now clear that male circumcision can reduce HPV in females and possibly prevent cervical cancer in settings where HPV vaccines are not available,” Tobian tells WebMD.

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    Circumcision Rate Drops in U.S.
    The impact of circumcision on cervical cancer risk is less clear in the U.S. and other industrialized countries where cervical cancer screening is routine, says Anna Giuliano, MD, who chairs the department of cancer epidemiology at H. Lee Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, Fla.

    But she adds that the recent research confirming circumcision’s role in reducing the risk of HIV, HPV, and other sexually transmitted diseases are strong arguments in favor of the practice.

    Neither the CDC nor the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) recommend routine circumcision of male infants, but the groups do not discourage the practice either.



    New figures from CDC released in August confirm that fewer babies in the U.S. are being circumcised. Between 2006 and 2009, the circumcision rate among male newborns declined from 56% to 33%.

    Both the CDC and the AAP are reportedly considering revisions to their infant circumcision policies in light of the new research.

    The CDC is also considering whether circumcision should be recommended for adult men at high risk for HIV infection, according to a statement issued in August 2009.

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    It has been five years since the AAP last updated its infant circumcision policy, which calls the evidence regarding the impact of circumcision on sexually transmitted disease risk “complex and conflicting.”

    The studies by Tobian and colleagues were published after 2005, and Giuliano says the AAP policy statement should be changed to reflect the new research.

    Circumcision Debate Emotionally Charged
    But Giuliano does not believe policy makers for either group will take a strong stand in favor of male circumcision because the debate surrounding the practice is so emotionally charged.



    In an editorial accompanying the study, she writes that new recommendations “should be consistent with the available evidence while considering other factors such as cultural and disease context, and the specific needs of different populations.”

    “Different cultures view circumcision in different ways, and there is a huge emotional component” she tells WebMD. “People in Latin America think of circumcision as barbaric. I have even heard this from colleagues in HPV prevention.”

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    Circumcision is also not widely practiced in certain countries in Europe, but cervical cancer rates are very low in these countries because screening is common.

    Cervical cancer rates are very high in countries like Mexico and Brazil, where neither circumcision nor screening is widespread.

    She says in parts of Africa where circumcision is considered a rite of passage, the practice may make a big difference, especially in areas without access to the HPV vaccine.
     
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    Maybe the practice would stop, if they did. Flaunting? Please. I’m hardly flaunting. The truth however, seems to be in short supply these days. I felt wronged all of my life about a procedure that I probably didn’t even have. You may not feel the violation associated to that procedure but a lot of people do. Psychologically for one.
     
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