Is there still hope?

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  1. Andrew2500

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    Hello everyone,

    I recently found out about the existence of this forum, and decided
    to join due to my obsession over masculinity and penis size.
    I must note that I just turned 20. I'm skinny, weighing 60kg at 1.78m height.
    I've been worried about my dick for a few years now. It's not that I think it's small, but that it just isn't as big as I want it to be. I started working on myself since last year in hope of some gains.
    Here is what I do:

    Proper sleep; 8-9 hours every day
    Avoidance of alcohol/drugs/smoking
    Gym exercise

    Diet:

    Ergopharm GF Pro protein shake with GF-1 Growth factors
    Fish oil, omega 3,6,9
    Vitamin supplements to ensure I get all of them, in the good
    amounts, so no 300% but 100 or slightly above.
    For the rest just very healthy and enough food, no point in listing it all.

    I also follow these articles:

    13 Ways to Naturally Boost Your Testosterone Levels

    Health 24 - Diet, New research

    Average penis size – What is the Average Penis Size

    Bodybuilding.com - Clayton South - Can Sex Affect Your Bodybuilding Gains?

    (strangely, one article claims erection increases testosterone, the other claims men in relationships have lower testosterone, whilst you'd think these have more erections due to sex...
    Tomorrow onwards I'll try to not ejaculate for 7 days, to get the surge explained in the last article)

    I've read articles, and there seem to be many different answers. Some say you're penis size reached it's final stage after 13, 16, 17, 18. Yet some also say it can grow until 21, 22, 23, 25..

    In the end, it's mostly my own self confidence/self esteem issues that are deep rooted and I've put them all on my penis, the great equalizer...the solution to all problems... but still, as most men that are not ridiculously hung would say...it never hurts to have some more.

    I know about penis enlargement options, but do not have the resources nor am I interested in surgery/pills/potions etc. I heard someone here say tongkat ali can increase penis size, but again... how would I be able to buy it, without a credit card etc etc.

    Anybody have some worthwhile/factual/interesting comments to help me out? Many thanks in advance.
     
  2. dongalong

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    You are still very young so your testosterone is surely at a high level, and the rest of your lifestyle seems very healthy.

    Tongkat ali is very expensive and will only increase your size in high quantities over a long period of time (so they say). I am experimenting with it as I have done with many penis enlargement techniques and don't know how it works on me yet.

    I think that if you want to enlarge your penis, go to Thunder's Place Free Penis Enlargement Forums and start a newbie routine, the site is free (but you can donate if you like) and has information on all kinds of exercises, supplements and devices.
    Growth is slow so don't expect to reach your size goal for a year or 2.

    A bigger cock DOES boost your self esteem, but won't cure all your problems.
     
  3. viking1

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    Sorry to hear of your self esteem issues. I have gone though this for years now. I am just starting to feel better about myself. Like you, I blamed it all on penis size even though I am average. I know that is only the focus and not the real problem. You may want to consult with a psychiatrist. They really can help.

    Not smoking, drinking, using drugs, getting proper sleep, and exercising is great. I have never been a smoker, drinker, or drug user. I would like to exercise more but my bad back won't let me right now.

    You don't say how big your penis is, but if it's average or above whether you are satisfied or not...it's okay. Don't bother with these enlargement scams...a lot of them can be harmful.

    I think the claim of sex affecting athletic ability has been proven false.
    If you want to enjoy sex go ahead it won't negate your bodybuilding efforts. Be sure and bodybuild safely too. Don't do anything that could be unsafe.

    Males can grow into their early twenties...both physically and penis size.
    I know I did for sure. I was 5'-10" when I was 18...by 23 I was 6'.
    My penis was around 4" when I was 18. I never measured circumference
    then. Now I am 6"x5" and I never tried any kind of enlargement either.
    You could grow more but there is no way for anybody to know for sure.
    Not even a doctor can tell you that. I would say it is possible but don't count on it happening.

    If you want more muscles and a lean body by all means work out just do it
    safely... The main thing is to learn to be happy with who you are and what you have. I know that can be hard but it's the key to a happy and successful life. I hope this helps. I have been through the low confidence and low self esteem thing for years. I do know what it's like and I want to help anybody I can with these issues. If you want to talk more on this with me give me a PM. Good luck to you!
     
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    I believe practicing daily masturbation is the best way to realize gains and develope your penis.
     
  5. Andrew2500

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    Thank you all for your answers.

    Tongkat ali is indeed very expensive, so I wouldn't be able to buy it now anyways... Be sure to share with me whether you get some serious gains or not, maybe in a few months.


    Viking, The advice of seeking a psychiatrist is a good one, one that I've been doing for about 1.5 years now. I go to a psychiatrist check this out...5 times a week. 45 minutes per session. Fortunately the insurance company helps with the very expensive price. Before you assume I'm a lunatic, let me just say, it's because i've had a very troubled childhood, with parents divorcing, first fighting for me like i was the most important thing in the world, then abandoning me for new partners... But let me tell you, things are going much better, and I think in another 6 months or such, I'll be done.

    I did not list my size, because everything is subjective. Maybe if I say it's xx by xx someone will say, man what the hell are you worried about, that's a great size, while someone else will say, damn that's not big enough. The problem is, I need to be happy with myself, my size, and accept it. I hope that it will continue to grow as with you, but if it doesn't, I should accept it as well.

    With me part of the problem also arose by watching porn wayyy too early... 13 onwards.. And seeing porn stars such as Shane Diesel, sure didn't help me....
     
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    Yes, I think that you are doing all things correctly. As a young male you have all the questions and concerns of anyone who I consider Normal.

    Please continue doing what you are doing and you will be fine. Do Not ever get caught up with any expermintal penis developement scheme.

    As others have posted here, a good daily workout certainly will not hurt.
     
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    I totally understand that! I have a preference for big cock hetero porn so people like Mandingo, John Holmes, Shane Diesel etc. have become what I would call BIG (when in fact they are HUGE!!)
    But now that I am bigger, porn stars who's cocks looked huge to me in the past are now starting to look average (or the same size as me:rolleyes: ), Peter North, Rocco Siffredi etc.

    The thing that really gave me confidence is learning how to please a woman. Large size does help with this but isn't neccessary as long as you learn where to press, squeeze and prod!

    On this site, especially in the Women's issues section you can learn many great tricks, all you need is a girlfriend to practice on.:smile:
     
  8. Andrew2500

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    Thanks for the support "hung". I will definitely continue this approach for a few years, even though none of my friends support me, but that's also because
    they value alcohol much more than I do, and don't have the penis size issue like I do. The thing is, I don't like beer... I just don't like the taste, in fact, I don't like any alcoholic drink, except for a spanish liquir, Contrau 43 or something like that. I'd drink that like water! But to get to the point, it's therefore no problem or sacrifice whatsoever to give up alcohol. I never liked smoking either, and weed... liked it, but benifits do not outweigh the negative side effects.

    Dong,
    I haven't been single for the past 4 years approximately. This with 3 different females though. My current girlfriend is a great girl, and our sex is excellent. She claims I always perform excellent in bed. So it's not that department I'm worried about, I never was with any girl. I guess it's all about self perception... the idea that somehow this penis will make everything right. Not feeling tall? no problem, you got a big dick. Not feeling muscular/strong/healthy/goodlooking/rich/confident/wanted/loved. The list could go on, and my feeling that the bigger dick would make up for it all is ofcourse ridiculous. But it's hard to get rid of. Regardless, if it was bigger it would be better..
    But hey, at least i'm no bigbull29... I mean no offense to him whatsoever. But upon reading through some articles here, i really notice that guy has transformed. It's not a guy with a penis, it's a penis with a guy.. and I'm not saying that because it's supposedly so huge, but because his penis is everything to him, and the great equalizer suddenly became king...
    Hey.. again if he feels fine, no problem, but I'd surely not want to turn out that way, regardless of what size penis i'm packing.
     
  9. viking1

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    Glad to hear you are seeing a psychiatrist. I think that will help you more than anything else. I do not think you have a penis problem in particular but rather a problem with being unhappy with your life. You have had girlfriends and have had good sex with them and they had no problems. You say you are not concerned with being able to satisfy a woman because you already have. I just cannot see this as a penis problem. From what you said about not posting your size I would say you are about average. Maybe a bit below or above, but close. That is why you think some will say, no it is not big enough, or it is okay do not worry.

    I have been through the same thing. I am about average in penis size and I tried to blame all problems on that. I thought if I was just big enough to be well above average that would change my life. Wrong! It would not have changed anything. It will not for you either. I never sought out any professional help for my selfesteem issues and that was a mistake. I may have been able to get over this years ago if I had.

    It is all in your perception of who you are. As I have posted here before I have know guys who claimed what I would consider a small penis. That did not bother them one bit. They did not think they were small and were not hampered by it in the least. If it is above the micro catagory and it works it is not a problem. Some will tell you different just to make you feel small or them feel bigger...just ignore that bull.

    We just have to accept who we are. I am sure you have heard this before but it is still good advice. Change the things you can. For example if you want a better or different job...work for it...get more education. If you want to be leaner and more muscular...work at the gym...just do it safely.
    Nothing wrong with bettering yourself. Do not let those who cannot agree with what you want to do bother you. If they will not support you then they are not really friends. Find some true friends who are supportive.

    Accept the things you cannot change. Like your penis size. You already know it is okay now anyway. Your height if that is an issue...you cannot make yourself taller. Somethings we must accept...like it or not.

    They main thing is to know the difference between what we can change and what we cannot. Fantasy must not get mixed up with reality. That is where so many problems come from. We cannot be somebody were are not. Even if we could we would find problems there too. You know...the old grass is always geener thing. It really is true. Hope this helps.

    Good luck to you!
     
  10. Andrew2500

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    For the record, I said that writing my size would not be wise
    because i've noticed people on this forum with sizes like 22,25,28cm and something like 16,17,19,20 cm cirfumerence consider themselves to be "big" but not "huge" or not big enough etc, so I would feel small compared to that.

    Here is my size:

    20 cm length on a good day.
    girth at base (my widest point) is 15cm, sometimes 15,5. But the girth is not that size throughout, actually most of the penis is probably between 13 and 14,5cm or something. For me the ideal size to have would be peter north's size. Something like between 8 and 8.5 in length, and 6 girth over most of the penis. I say between 8 and 8.5 because some days I'm not the full size, and it bothers me tremendously...

    I know that averages vary, some people say 6, some 7, some say 5 inches, some say girth average is 5, some 5,5 some 4. I believe the most accurate is listed in the article i linked in my first post. Meaning, lower than any of those. But I am not interested in being average, and I never been in public shower occasions to see actual "average" people. Only penises i've seen are in porn... black hung huge porn... and it's destroyed my self esteem. My own fault.. but just like watching a horror movie when you're too young and you know you'll get scared, you'll still do it...

    Again, i know a larger size won't solve my problems, but it will help with one... and that's confidence. Every bit helps, especially since I'm already solving the rest.

    Anybody got some further tips on diet or ejaculation routine? Is it useful to not jerk off for 7 days to get a huge surge in testosterone...?


    You are right though Viking, and too bad indeed you didn't seek help, but it looks like you're mostly sorted out. Or at least, have accepted.
     
  11. viking1

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    Well, I am 6"x5" (15cmx12.5cm) so, you ARE big compared to me.
    I don't think anybody on here will tell you that you are small. I have not ever heard any medical professional say the average is 7". The article that you linked in the original post is very close to an accurate average.
    Believe me, I have read enough on human sexuality and especially penis size to make up for everybody on this forum who didn't. From what I have read and averaged from all these studies about 5-5.5" lenght and 4-4.5" in girth would be about right. I have looked at a lot of amatuer porn and I think these figures are very close. I have seen plenty of main stream porn too but that never bothered me. I envy a large penis like, Ron Jeremy or Peter North, but I know that's fantasy and doesn't make me feel small.
    What bothered me was seeing friends, and family that were bigger.
    I know that nothing in the intertainment industry represents the real world.
    If I were your size I would think I was king of the jungle.

    I know all about the I am not good looking, well endowed, rich, confident,
    powerful, no fancy car..ect. etc. Been there and done that. NOW...how many people do you know that actually are all those things? Let's face it most of us are average. Just another brick in the wall. I know what you mean...who wants to be average? Nobody...but most of us are just that...
    mostly average in most ways. Most of it can't be changed.

    From what I have read abstaining from sex won't increase your testosterone level and it won't help your bodybuiding efforts. This was once widely believed...even among pro athletes. It has been proven medically wrong. If you want to have sex then do so, it won't affect your physical ablity. If you want to abstain for some other reason that is up to you. I would enjoy myself while I could. I would stop trying so hard.
    Believe you me...the day is coming when you won't be able too and you will wish you had taken time to enjoy life. I made this mistake for more years than you have been alive. Recent health problems have made me very aware that life is too short and precious to waste. Depending on the outcome of recent tests I may not have much longer to enjoy life.
    I just don't want to see you or anyone else make that mistake, my friend.
    I want to cry everytime I think about how I have done things in my life.
    Sympathy I don't want...it's all my fault for living my life as I have.
    Just don't make that same mistake.

    I hope it all works out for you. Best wishes.
     
  12. Andrew2500

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    Viking,

    thanks again for your thorough message. It's sad to hear you have medical problems that might make an end to your days.
    Even though you consider yourself average, I do not consider you so. You think about life and its constant battles/worries/complexities. This is something which I consider essential for making the best of it, and something which I don't see many people do. Certainly not something the "average joe" does. On the contrary, there probably wouldn't be as many average people if the world did this a bit more.

    I too suffer from health problems, though there is no point in listing them in detail. I'll say this, since it might make some feel better:

    I'm a virtuoso guitarist, and it's my favourite thing in the world. Yet for a few years now, I've gotten arthritis-like injuries in my fingers which has caused me to be unable to play as often as I like. It's all come from the stressed home situation which caused me to tense so hard, that I've gotten injuries all over...
    You see I sought refuge in my guitar, it--Like my penis in forthcoming years--was the great equalizer. As in, if my playing was great, fuck the rest. All these people in high school struggling to get through, struggling to find something they don't hate, so they can study it and make $$$. I had all those issues solved. I knew it all, I would become a great guitarist, like my guitar heroes I listened to in music, and no need to worry about which uni i would go to, or this or that. But reality has a nasty way of killing dreams...

    This has often caused me to find myself a skinny weak bastard because my body can't handle shit..

    Second bizarre injury I have:

    Apparently due to all the stress I started to tense my anus, as in, contracting it a lot, when jerking off, and throughout the day in general. As if a "fight or flight" response. This caused my pelvis to become way too tense, which resulted in less blood going to my penis. Which resulted in both a weaker/smaller erection AND the feeling of intense pain in the anus. As in, it felt like I had a fissure...but I didn't. This made going to the bathroom a hell...
    Listen to this: Upon going to the bathroom I see my penis physically shrinking to a very large degree, due to the loss of blood because of the tense pelvis, and because of the pain... I've been going to a special therapist for this, one that is specialized in pelvis stuff, and she claims she has seen this before... But i really thought I was some kind of bizarre freak, because all the doctors I tell it to say: There's nothing wrong with your anus, I can't see anything wrong etc etc...
    When people tell you there's nothing wrong long enough, whilst you feel there is... you think you're going crazy.

    Anyway, Thank you all for your replies, it is helping me in my struggle for confidence and masculinity.
     
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