Is this where the USA is heading?

[Countryguy63]

Max, you really think hate is on the rise, or just as prevelant as it has always been, but grabbing the headlines more? Unfortunately, I think hate has always been there, and will always be :frown1:

What people don't stop to realize, is that hate is hate. It doesn't matter who it is directed at. Those that hate one religion, are no better than those that they are complaining about. Those that hate based on a racial basis, are no better than the ones they are hating on.

It's all hate, and it all sucks!

 

[D_Fiona_Farvel]

America is the Fourth Reich.

It was created in the spirit of Anglo-Supremacy and has always had a major difficulty in shaking that out of our system.

Attacking liberals will be next.

While disagreeing about the issue being "Anglo-Supremacy", I think the attack on Ahmed Sharif was merely an example of how American culture responds to the increased visibility and participation of a minority group, be it in terms of race, gender, or sexuality. I do not see the difference between Sharif and Emmet Till or any of the other social and political martyrs who have lost their life due to fear of change/national evolution.

I think his attacker was looking for a reason to hurt a Muslim, and the mosque issue gave him motive, or the guis of one, to carry it out. As the Sikh Legal Defense and Education Fund has noted since before 2001, people are carrying out acts of violence because people look un-American and are a threat to traditional demographics, not due to any actual threat.

Muslims will not be happy till all countries are controlled by there beliefs. until the muslims drop there belief that all countries should be muslim countries. i have no sympathy. look at the long term goals the muslims want ?

"Muslims" do not feel this way, some people who are Muslim might, but others really do not care what or how others believe. In my opinion, long-term goals of "Muslims", in the U.S. at least, would be to enjoy the freedoms enumerated in our founding documents without random violence.

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

a) I wasn't being a smart ass I was serious
b) you didn't put anyone in check
c) you want to threaten VB or anyone else? Come at me bitch. I'll throw your fat pansy ass off a building. And I don't need to wear a skimpy floozie singlet to try to prove anything. asswipe!

I did put you in check you were wrong, next time I do a meet in Venice I'll be happy to take you up on that. tough talk. You remind me of this little pansy causing trouble one night at my bar. He was all mouthy and tough untill i went to go toss him. he just cowered down to the ground covering his face with his hands like a child. I looked at him in disgust and said get the hell out of here, you're absolutely pitiful.

 

[B_lrgeggs]

A guy goes for an interview to join the Police. The Chief gives him a .45 and a box of ammunition.

"OK, I want you to go out and shoot six feminists, six muslims, six gays, six liberals and a rabbit."

"Why the rabbit?" he asks.

"I like your attitude. You're in."

LOl... Very good!

 

[TopDudeFtl]

A guy goes for an interview to join the Police. The Chief gives him a .45 and a box of ammunition.

"OK, I want you to go out and shoot six feminists, six muslims, six gays, six liberals and a rabbit."

"Why the rabbit?" he asks.

"I like your attitude. You're in."

:wtf1::lame:

Is this where the country is heading? I'm sorry to say but I think we are already there.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[cece]

The same racist shit has been happening all through time everywhere. I don't think the human race has really evolved in the last few thousand years. There will always be ignorant people who will have a blanket hatred over certain groups of people.

 

[slurper_la]

I did put you in check you were wrong, next time I do a meet in Venice I'll be happy to take you up on that. tough talk. You remind me of this little pansy causing trouble one night at my bar. He was all mouthy and tough untill i went to go toss him. he just cowered down to the ground covering his face with his hands like a child. I looked at him in disgust and said get the hell out of here, you're absolutely pitiful.

Bring it on fatty, but I sincerely doubt you could ever or have ever qualify for a meet and even if you could and even if you were out here and even if I couldn't for whatever reason not kick your flabby ass into oblivion I could always call on my buddies at Gold's who, thanks to their appreciation for the photo work I've done for them, will do anything for me including smacking you down hard, no questions asked, no chance for you to run away. Like a team of fly swatters against a measly ant, you will drop!

:lame:

Now I'm done with you.

wned22:

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[Bbucko]

You think I'm some big bully but i'm actually the guy that looks after the little guy what ever color religion sexual orientation etc. nothing pisses me off more than to see some asshole pick on someone.

I did put you in check you were wrong, next time I do a meet in Venice I'll be happy to take you up on that. tough talk. You remind me of this little pansy causing trouble one night at my bar. He was all mouthy and tough untill i went to go toss him. he just cowered down to the ground covering his face with his hands like a child. I looked at him in disgust and said get the hell out of here, you're absolutely pitiful.

Et puis, voila!

Contradiction is one thing, self-contradiction is an entirely different kettle of fish.

 

[Bbucko]

Max, you really think hate is on the rise, or just as prevelant as it has always been, but grabbing the headlines more? Unfortunately, I think hate has always been there, and will always be :frown1:

What people don't stop to realize, is that hate is hate. It doesn't matter who it is directed at. Those that hate one religion, are no better than those that they are complaining about. Those that hate based on a racial basis, are no better than the ones they are hating on.

It's all hate, and it all sucks!

Yesterday, in a different thread, I posted my opinion regarding the fear and hate, us/them mentality that's infected American discourse at least since WW2. It's worth a read.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

at the end of the day I'm not cheering for anyone I hate liberals, or i should say their philosophies. slurper la was being a smart ass and I put him in check.

If you equate saying, "Nyaa nyaa! It was a liberal this time" putting someone in check, then excuse me while I laugh my ass off.

if you and i we were in a bar I'd mopping the floor with your face before you got your toilet water launched.

Trust me, you wouldn't. After 20+ years working in bars & night clubs, I guarantee you wouldn't be able to land one finger on me.

You know the real funny thing is you are so wrong about me. i was in a bar the other night and a ver good frienfd of mine on the island was there he's older about 65 and happens to be black he also happens to be a great sax player and photographer. at the end of the night some idiot who i have had the misfortune to be an aquintence of start going off on him for no reason. before he got another word out i cut off told him that that my friend and and if you open you mouth again you going to deal with me needless to say he shut his mouth and stormed out of the bar. regardless of what you think i don't tolerate that shit.

How nice. Token black friend syndrome. Please continue.
(One act of kindness to a person of color does not exonerate you).

You think I'm some big bully but i'm actually the guy that looks after the little guy what ever color religion sexual orientation etc. nothing pisses me off more than to see some asshole pick on someone. I'm in there in a second. you wan't to pick on someone pick on me.

BBucko already addressed this nonsense so I don't have to elaborate on that.

 

[Smooth88]

Some of the posts in this thread show where the world is headed:frown1:.

Unfortunately I have to agree. *shakes head in disgust*

 

[maxcok]

Attack Whitey Night! We're definitely moving backwards in this country..

Wow. If that was the intent (and we don't know that for sure since the investigation is ongoing) how is that any more backward than decades of violence directed against blacks, gays or other minorities? Does it take an attack on cornfed white people before we sound the alarm?

Muslims will not be happy till all countries are controlled by there beliefs. until the muslims drop there belief that all countries should be muslim countries. i have no sympathy. look at the long term goals the muslims want ?

Muslims will not be happy till all countries are controlled by their beliefs. Until the muslims drop their belief that all countries should be muslim countries, I have no sympathy. Look at the long term goals the muslims want.

I try to resist being a grammar nazi, but it cannot go unnoticed that the most egregious and most obvious offenders (and presumably the least thoughtful and least educated) are overwhelmingly and not surprisingly posters espousing the most ignorant views. That's indicative of something. Big E, you're the worst offender, and you're on notice.

To address scotty: You have 'no sympathy' for the cabdriver who was attacked? Astonishing. It is an extremist fringe of Muslims who perpetrate horrendous acts of terrorism, as often as not against other Arabs or Muslims. Just as it is an extremist fringe of Christians who do the same in the US - they are not reflective of the faith as a whole! Not to justify, but to put it in perspective, lacking the power and the weaponry we have is it any wonder that out of frustration some may resort to desperate measures when (whether you respect it or not) they feel their culture, their territory, their way of life, their entire belief system is under assault from Western culture, Western invasions, Western occupations, Western imperialism? These acts are not about spreading Muslim influence, they are reactive, and rational or not, justified or not, the terrorists are motivated to defend themselves, their land, their culture within their own borders. They have a lot more to fear from the West and the US in particular than we have to fear from them.

We really need to adjust our diplomacy in these regions to counteract the culturally insensitive, militarily and economically aggressive cowboy mentality of the past - which only creates more terrorists on an exploding and exponential scale - if for no other reason than for our own security. We have to work to educate people and help to lift them up out of poverty and ignorance if we hope to ever defeat extremism. To suggest mainstream Muslims have an agenda to take over the world is a ridiculous paranoid fantasy, though there are plenty of evangelical Christians whose mission is nothing less than to Christianize the entire planet, and they've been on that crusade for centuries, pissing people off all over the world! BTW, they were very much on the inside pushing the invasion and occupation of Iraq, and not simply evangelicals - armageddonists.

Some of the posts in this thread show where the world is headed:frown1:.

Unfortunately I have to agree. *shakes head in disgust*

Plus one. :no: For anyone to threaten acts of physical violence, or describe what a big man he is and how he (allegedly) smacked somebody down in a bar, while hiding behind a computer screen, is just plain silly. For chrissakes (and I'm talking to friends here too) when anybody pulls that crap, please just call them out and laugh at them.

Token black friend syndrome.

:chairfall::lmao: Yes, and he plays the saxophone! LOL. Message for KTF40: Your certificate has arrived here . :biggrin2:

 

[maxcok]

Max, you really think hate is on the rise, or just as prevelant as it has always been, but grabbing the headlines more? Unfortunately, I think hate has always been there, and will always be :frown1:

Hate is definitely on the rise, and we're just starting to see what's bubbling to the surface.

I had thought about starting a thread on this back in March after I heard an interview with Mark Potok from the Southern Poverty Law Center. But life has been preventing me from manning and monitoring a thread properly, so it fell by the wayside. It fits very well here, so I'll post it now. I hope people will take the time to read some of the material in the links and listen to the audio interview with Terry Gross of Fresh Air. It's worrisome information, but I think people should be aware.

Hate is on the Rise​

The number of hate groups in America has been going up for years, rising 54% between 2000 and 2008 and driven largely by an angry backlash against non-white immigration and, starting in the last year of that period, the economic meltdown and the climb to power of an African American president. According to the latest annual count by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), these groups rose again slightly in 2009 — from 926 in 2008 to 932 last year — despite the demise of a key neo-Nazi group. The American National Socialist Workers Party, which had 35 chapters in 28 states, imploded shortly after the October 2008 arrest of founder Bill White for making threats against his enemies. At the same time, the number of what the SPLC designates as "nativist extremist" groups — organizations that go beyond mere advocacy of restrictive immigration policy to actually confront or harass suspected immigrants — jumped from 173 groups in 2008 to 309 last year. Virtually all of these vigilante groups have appeared since the spring of 2005.

But the most dramatic story by far has been with the antigovernment Patriots. The militias and the larger Patriot movement first came to Americans’ attention in the mid-1990s, when they appeared as an angry reaction to what was seen as a tyrannical government bent on crushing all dissent. Sparked most dramatically by the death of 76 Branch Davidians during a 1993 law enforcement siege in Waco, Texas, those who joined the militias also railed against the Democratic Clinton Administration and initiatives like gun control and environmental regulation. Although the Patriot movement included people formerly associated with racially based hate groups, it was above all animated by a view of the federal government as the primary enemy, along with a fondness for antigovernment conspiracy theories. By early this decade, the groups had largely disappeared from public view.

Just last year, as noted in the SPLC’s August report, "The Second Wave: Return of the Militias," a dramatic resurgence in the Patriot movement and its paramilitary wing, the militias, began. Now, the latest SPLC count finds that an astonishing 363 new Patriot groups appeared in 2009, with the totals going from 149 groups (including 42 militias) to 512 (127 of them militias) — a 244% jump.

Rage On The Right: The Year In Hate And Extremism : SPLC​

Potok points to race as one of the reasons "anti-immigrant vigilante groups [have] soared by nearly 80 percent" in the past year. He also notes a "dramatic resurgence in the Patriot movement and its paramilitary wing" in the past year — jumping 244 percent in 2009. Potok says that these groups' messages are increasingly moving into the mainstream. "I think it's very clear that you see ideas coming out of all kinds of sectors of the radical right, from the immigrant radical right, from the so-called Patriot groups, the militias and so on — and you see it spreading right across the landscape at some of these Tea Party events," he says. "I think it's worth saying that much of this is aided and abetted by ostensibly mainstream politicians and media members."

Part of the issue, Potok says, is not what politicians say — but what they leave unsaid. "I think a lot of these ideas start on the radical right, but they are also being flogged endlessly by Republican officials," he says. "Even those who are sort of considered responsible Republicans have completely abstained from any kind of criticism of this talk. So even way back when, when Sarah Palin was talking about Obama setting up death panels and so on — what we heard was a deafening silence from the mainstream of the Republican Party."​

"I hear a very scary situation developing," says Potok. "The idea that people really have swallowed these stories in such enormous numbers is something remarkable. I covered, as a reporter, the militia movement in the 1990s, which really produced an extraordinary amount of criminal violence. And even back then, you did not hear this kind of talk so broadly spread through this society."

"I think [fringe militia leaders] wouldn't have much influence if not for the aiding and abetting that they are getting from so many mainstream figures. I'm talking about the Tom Tancredos and the Michelle Bachmanns, the Lou Dobbs' and the Glenn Becks of the world. ... Glenn Beck of Fox News, of course, spent three shows speculating on whether or not it was so that FEMA had constructed a whole set of secret concentration camps. Ultimately, in his fourth show, he decided it was not true and quote-on-quote 'debunked' it. But the real point was that for three entire shows he hawked this point. And Glenn Beck has close to 3 million listeners, and a lot of those people follow him religiously — really believe that these things are true."

When Right-Wing Extremism Moves Mainstream : NPR​

Three days after this interview was aired, nine members of a Christian militia group were arrested in Michigan for plotting to wage war against the US government.

The Hutaree Web site features the motto “Preparing for the end time battles to keep the testimony of Jesus Christ alive” and a video showing rifle-toting men in camouflage running through woods and firing weapons.

“Jesus wanted us to be ready to defend ourselves using the sword and stay alive using equipment,” the Web site says, adding, “The Hutaree will one day see its enemy and meet him on the battlefield if so God wills it.”

Militia Charged With Plotting to Murder Officers : NYTimes.com​

 

[123scotty]

quote from
maxcok


I try to resist being a grammar nazi, but it cannot go unnoticed that the most egregious and most obvious offenders (and presumably the least thoughtful and least educated) are overwhelmingly and not surprisingly posters espousing the most ignorant views. That's indicative of something. Big E, you're the worst offender, and you're on notice.


ohh handbags at twenty paces there sounds like a cat fight soon. yes i am not very good at spelling or grammar thats why there is a secretary to do those things. as for the cheap shots must be uneducated and ignorant well thats your view and so be it. having a passport thrown across the floor because it was not at the correct page. seeing a passport photo spat on because you are white and from a christian country does not endear me to the culture. but you are correct on one thing it is not just muslims. it is religion. a very good saying good people do good things. bad people do bad things. but only religion can make good people do bad things in its name. ps sorry in advance for any spelling or grammar wrongs.

 

[DevonTexas]

Wait, you're equating trolling to the use of a smiley? LOL!!! You're desperate, son... REAL desperate. ROTFLMAO!! Seriously, if there was a smiley on this board that would tell you to STFU I would use it instead. But is all you get for now.



And this comes from the guy that says: "Attack Whitey Night! We're definitely moving backwards in this country.."

Stop lying. * Insert Rolleyes Smiley *



The issue is not "we", it's more like you.
Race always has and always be an individual issue. As for me, a person who never made it a point to hang out with people of my own color since I was six, accepting people for being different has never been a problem with me. However, I don't have to accept or tolerate everything a person says or does. Stupidity and ignorance frustrates me the most. Most issues surrounding race are fueled by that kind of animosity.

But believe me when I said that there were many, MANY clues as to where our country was heading going back as far as a few years ago (if not even further). Please don't tell me when "so-called small things" such as the political cartoon caricaturing our president as an assassinated chimp didn't clue you in? Or was it Arizona's "Papers Please" law? Perhaps it was the phony, politically fueled escalation of voter intimidation claims of a three man group that calls themselves the New Black Panthers? The Ohio Sniper attacks, maybe? How about those firefighters who thought it was unfair that they had to take a second test since they already passed an exam in Connecticut? The Tanning Tax? Need I go on? The signals were always there. The only difference now is that some paranoidal people have been able to collectively place a foreign face to the word "evil". That makes things go a LOT faster down the toilet. *insert Rolleyes Smiley *

Seriously... for trying to establish a smiley to trolling ratio.

Sorry, should've written.... "Attack Whitey Night" ... Finally! Reparations for the black people!

There, fixed it for ya..

Now are you happy? No, because all of your posts to me are full of hate and argument. And I get it... must be beyond difficult to be black, muslim and gay. I'll never understand because I'm obviously a straight white unrepressed male who secretly owns several slaves and is president of the KKK in Texas.

 

[deleted15807]

"I hear a very scary situation developing," says Potok. "The idea that people really have swallowed these stories in such enormous numbers is something remarkable. I covered, as a reporter, the militia movement in the 1990s, which really produced an extraordinary amount of criminal violence. And even back then, you did not hear this kind of talk so broadly spread through this society."

Back then there was no Fox News, a network that has learned how to exploit the stupid and fearful. A 24 hr hatefest. A network with zero journalistic integrity. A network with such a clear, blatant in your face political alliance with hard-right wing theocrats and plutocrats. Add that to a press that seems unable and unwilling to call them out for what they are. Is there some kind of code of silence going on akin to the Blue Code of Silence' going on except this one is for journalists?

Why don't honest journalists take on Roger Ailes and Fox News?

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

quote from
maxcok


I try to resist being a grammar nazi, but it cannot go unnoticed that the most egregious and most obvious offenders (and presumably the least thoughtful and least educated) are overwhelmingly and not surprisingly posters espousing the most ignorant views. That's indicative of something. Big E, you're the worst offender, and you're on notice.


ohh handbags at twenty paces there sounds like a cat fight soon. yes i am not very good at spelling or grammar thats why there is a secretary to do those things. as for the cheap shots must be uneducated and ignorant well thats your view and so be it. having a passport thrown across the floor because it was not at the correct page. seeing a passport photo spat on because you are white and from a christian country does not endear me to the culture. but you are correct on one thing it is not just muslims. it is religion. a very good saying good people do good things. bad people do bad things. but only religion can make good people do bad things in its name. ps sorry in advance for any spelling or grammar wrongs.

well bud your wrong there I have an MBA

 

[D_Sir Fitzwilly Wankheimer III]

If you equate saying, "Nyaa nyaa! It was a liberal this time" putting someone in check, then excuse me while I laugh my ass off.



Trust me, you wouldn't. After 20+ years working in bars & night clubs, I guarantee you wouldn't be able to land one finger on me.



How nice. Token black friend syndrome. Please continue.
(One act of kindness to a person of color does not exonerate you).



BBucko already addressed this nonsense so I don't have to elaborate on that.

I did 6years as bouncer paying for school and graduate school. Not to mention I was D I wrestler and still play around in the cage. I'd eat you alive. I have an upper cut that could drop a bull but my specialty is choke holds and joint manipulation. I learned a long time ago how to hurt and leave no mark.

and as far as my token black freind I have quite few. i''ve also knocked a few around who acted like dogs. i judge people based on my personal experience with them. and treat them accordingly. I could care less where you're youve done been in the past or in other places. If you're decent you'll at the very least get my respect. If not then back off.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

I try to resist being a grammar nazi, but it cannot go unnoticed that the most egregious and most obvious offenders (and presumably the least thoughtful and least educated) are overwhelmingly and not surprisingly posters espousing the most ignorant views. That's indicative of something. Big E, you're the worst offender, and you're on notice.

well bud your wrong there I have an MBA

I think maxcok was using 'educated' in the broad sense, not captured in a list of degrees.

 

[maxcok]

yes i am not very good at spelling or grammar thats why there is a secretary to do those things.

How much do you pay her to think for you? Bet you have a french maid too. LOL.

as for the cheap shots must be uneducated and ignorant well thats your view and so be it.

No, you speak for yourself.

but only religion can make good people do bad things in its name.

Really? only religion?