Israel/Palestine: What's your view?

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I myself, as both an Arab (through my father) and Jew (from my mother) have a very strong interest in Palestine and the occupation of the land by Israel.

I am just wondering if anyone has any views, even if its a small line/comment.
 

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Hi Cam...

I have many friends who are Arab (both Muslim, Christian, and
Orthodox Christian). I also have friends that are Jewish, Hindu,
Sikhs, Buddhists, Baha'i, and others. We celebrate each others
ethnic and religious heritages and have learned a lot of wonderful
things about each other. We love to visit restaurants or have
each over to our homes to try and enjoy the different cuisines.
And, on occasion, we have accompanied each other to our varioous
houses of worship. We are a little UN without their problems...:biggrin:


It is not that we do not sometimes have disagreements, but we
ALL love each other and we get along beautifully
together.

I am sure that they feel the same as I, since we have discussed it
many times. that someday soon everyone will forget their differences
and historical pasts.....and live together in TOTAL PEACE.


I Love all my friends,except them as they are, and know that my life
would be empty and very sad without them!
 

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So it seems you believe that people should celebrate similarities and not differences? Removing labels and not being afraid of 'the other'?

Do you think this is the way forward in Palestine and Israel Proper?

When will the hurt, pain, suffering and anguish end? Won't be all kill ourselves before this realization?
 

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To me as long as people view the place as truly "holy" there will always be a minority of religious fanatics to spoil peace. Humanity as a whole should be moving away from looking at the world and our place in the universe from a faith perspective. The two solutions to the problem would be a two state solution, the two states being based on ethnic and religious differences, and find a way to divide or share Jerusalem or to have one secular government allowing everyone participation in the government and the freedom of religion. I know the Israeli government is secular and democratic but, it does not give the people in occupied territories a democratic voice and some politicians use a religious world view to determine policies such as allowing the creation of settlements which do nothing to create peace. That is why there should be a move a way from viewing the land as "holy" and viewing it as a piece of land where people live and has it's history just as any other piece of land on earth.
 
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But this is truely impossible no? Given the fact the State of Israel was created to give the Jews a homeland? And... afterall, Jews believe Palestine is their land of milk and honey.
 

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I think the best hope for the moment is for the negotiations that have been going on between Abbas and Olmert to set up a Palestinian state in the West Bank succeed. They have been closer to success than most people in North America can believe ... and I hope that Olmert's imminent loss of the prime ministership does not torpedo the discussions.

The Palestinians of the West Bank are really quite secular, much as most of the Jews of Israel are secular. They want peace, economic development, security.

If a Palestinian state is established on the West Bank, then the Palestinians of Gaza, currently under the boot of Hamas, may see the merits of a more realistic approach to Israel, which is not going anywhere. If they don't, they will sink even further into poverty and marginalization.

As for Jerusalem, it's not as vexed a question, some believe, as we've been given to believe. The Arabs and the Israelis are still living in quite discrete sections, although there are some very small points of Jewish development in East Jerusalem. Many observers think that a division of the city is quite achievable.

The problem is that the discussions on setting up a Palestinian state seem to have been based largely on the good rapport that Abbas and Olmert have established with each other. Olmert is due to step down once his governing party, Kadima, elects a new leader in September. Whether another leader can continue on Olmert's course is the great question.
 

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I have to believe that somehow, someday, peace will come to pass
and that all will live together as brothers. Otherwise, distrust and
hatred will continue to fester and divide us, and eventually, there will
be no hope for mankind to have a peaceful and prosperous future.

A true and equitable peace must be obtained for ALL.

MAY PEACE AND LOVE REIGN!!!
 
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Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist without the other blowing up school buses or plowing down homes with people still in them. Both sides are committed to their claim to the land as sole inheritors, though, from my understanding. Neither side - the leadership, anyhow - wants to accept the other as having any legitimacy.

However, as the more powerful nation, Israel has a responsibility - and a historical precedent - to not commit genocide. They, of all people, should know better. But I think it's clear that Netanyahu wants to wipe OUT the Palestinians. So Israel loses all support from me, at least until they stop trying to wipe a disadvantaged, dehumanized, disenfranchised people off the map. Home-made rockets and rocks thrown at soldiers does not 'require' bombing a residential area. Especially when those rockets and rocks are in response to Israel displacing Palestinian families to make room for luxury high rises or a golf course...
 

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Netanyahu is totally reading from the George W Bush playbook, he wasn't popular enough to win by a clear majority and the deadline for him to set up his coalition passed last week and oh look, a war.

(Beyond that, I'm not really versed in who has what claim to what dirt and which should be recognized and all that)
 

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Thank you both for sharing. I agree with you. Both are there to stay but only one have grown from 2 millions to 6 millions
 
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...However, as the more powerful nation, Israel has a responsibility - and a historical precedent - to not commit genocide. They, of all people, should know better. But I think it's clear that Netanyahu wants to wipe OUT the Palestinians...

Genocide? From what I read in the CIA factbook the Median age in Gaza Strip is 18 years and its population rises 2.05% each year. If anything Palestinians are prolific!
 

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Size of population shouldn't have anything to do with things - though as the Israeli's steal more land in the "occupied Territories" to expand the only way forward it to ethnically cleanse the area, as they are trying to do in Jerusalem.
 
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Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist without the other blowing up school buses or plowing down homes with people still in them. Both sides are committed to their claim to the land as sole inheritors, though, from my understanding. Neither side - the leadership, anyhow - wants to accept the other as having any legitimacy.

However, as the more powerful nation, Israel has a responsibility - and a historical precedent - to not commit genocide. They, of all people, should know better. But I think it's clear that Netanyahu wants to wipe OUT the Palestinians. So Israel loses all support from me, at least until they stop trying to wipe a disadvantaged, dehumanized, disenfranchised people off the map. Home-made rockets and rocks thrown at soldiers does not 'require' bombing a residential area. Especially when those rockets and rocks are in response to Israel displacing Palestinian families to make room for luxury high rises or a golf course...
Well I believe Israel has a right to defend itself. When Hamas starts lobbing rockets into your country the only proper response I can think of is to hit back. In this case Hamas started this off by firing onto Israel. Not saying Israel is blameless. But this time it looks to me Israel is defending itself.
 

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Well I believe Israel has a right to defend itself. When Hamas starts lobbing rockets into your country the only proper response I can think of is to hit back. In this case Hamas started this off by firing onto Israel. Not saying Israel is blameless. But this time it looks to me Israel is defending itself.
It's barbarism either way.
 

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Size of population shouldn't have anything to do with things - though as the Israeli's steal more land in the "occupied Territories" to expand the only way forward it to ethnically cleanse the area, as they are trying to do in Jerusalem.

Size of a population is one thing, ratio of its increase / decrease is quite another. Remember what happened in Kosovo where a previous minority of Albanians came to be the majority due to influx from Albania, concentration from other areas of Yugoslavia and numerous offsprings of said Albanians. What once was the cradle of Serbians has almost become Albanian territory.
 
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Historically speaking Israel has every reason to exisy because it is made from Jews, people who have been oxcupied from so many thousand years..It started from the Assyrians and ended with the state of Israel.Israel isn't just a place but mostly people whi form an ethnicity..Palaistine on the other hand has to do only with a geographical area on the map and habited mostly from Arabs(not only) since 7th century..During the 20th century 3 wars happened between Israel and the Arabian countries.Israel,even though he was at disadvantage, he won all of them..He might have occupied many places like Gaza Samaria Sina even Jordan at some point but it just wanted recognision from the Arabian countries..It gave up anything..
Saying this, i have to say that Netaniahou with the understanding from the US and EU is doing war crimes but Hamas which is supported by Iran and Turkey is also.They both actually want this war to happen..The only victims are inoccent people..I think that both states should exist with Israel controlling though Jerusalem,because that was their Holy city and capital before Arabs even go there, but they should keep in mind that Jerusalem is a Holy City for 3 religions so they should make everything to allow besides Jews Christians and Muslims to visit the city and pray..I have been in Jerusalem and i have to say that i never felt afraid I am a Greek Orthodox Christian and i was free to practise my faith.People were kind and friendly..We should leave them live happy.
Ps:sorry for my English.It's not my mother tongue