Israel/Palestine: What's your view?

[zinderel]

Perhaps using sensible discourse to start would be productive rather than the ‘oppressive Israelis’ etc.

People as good as calling me right wing Nazi but then become cry babies when they’re called out on their sledging. Like you.

Again...are you DELIBERATELY obtuse? Israel is oppressing the Palestinian people and using Hamas as their excuse. This is fact, well documented.

You call anyone who brings this FACT up and anti-Semite.

Or pro-Hamas.

The Christian Right in America as absolutely support Israel SOLELY to ensure that their version of Jesus comes back and cleanses the Earth of anyone who doesnt believe their way. Including theJews, who Christian Right leaders refer to as 'incomplete'. Oh, they use more prosaic language, but the reality is, they are hoping Jesus does the ethnic cleansing they never quite were able to.

Again, these are facts, that make you uncomfortable, so you lash out. I'm sorry you dont really know what you're talking about and just rant about Israel being blameless and any criticism of the policies of the Israeli government is hatred of all Jewish people.

 

[Djendn]

Yet you haven’t served in the IDF, but claim you grew up as a Jew in Israel? Really?

When did I ever say I grew up as a Jew in Israel?!! Please remind me.


And yes, by golly people travel the word (imagine that!)

 

[Djendn]

If you knew how Wikipedia works then you wouldn’t use it as a reliable source to support your baseless argument. You’re boring me now.

 

[Andyb2]

Again...are you DELIBERATELY obtuse? Israel is oppressing the Palestinian people and using Hamas as their excuse. This is fact, well documented.

You call anyone who brings this FACT up and anti-Semite.

Or pro-Hamas.

The Christian Right in America as absolutely support Israel SOLELY to ensure that their version of Jesus comes back and cleanses the Earth of anyone who doesnt believe their way. Including theJews, who Christian Right leaders refer to as 'incomplete'. Oh, they use more prosaic language, but the reality is, they are hoping Jesus does the ethnic cleansing they never quite were able to.

Again, these are facts, that make you uncomfortable, so you lash out. I'm sorry you dont really know what you're talking about and just rant about Israel being blameless and any criticism of the policies of the Israeli government is hatred of all Jewish people.

LOL, none of your facts are facts.

I’ve also clearly made a number of comments that are anything but ‘Israel is blameless’. Stop trolling.

 

[Djendn]

Here, as in Columbia where you apparently are?

And apologies I had updated the previous post in regards to your stone throwing comment.

Colombia*

 

[Andyb2]

Actually, multiple women were raped. There are documents proving this, also - a quick google search will present you with multiple reliable sources not only stating, but proving that Palestinian men (by definition from the English dictionary) were enslaved by the Haganah. There were zero Arab paramilitary groups killing civilians pre 1946/47 therefore my point remains - The state of Israel was founded on terrorism. I’m not sure if it’s your white fragility or potential Jewish ancestry which makes you think that anything I’ve stated above isn’t factual, but I’d highly recommend redirecting your fragility elsewhere, as I’ve not only studied the “occupation” for years, but I have spent a considerable amount of time in the region.

You equate support for Israel with the destruction of a mosque?

I don’t know what you were taught at whatever church you went to, but you talk as though the destruction of mosques is their number one priority.

Im an anti-Semitic racist? Okay then.

When did I ever say I grew up as a Jew in Israel?!! Please remind me.


And yes, by golly people travel the word (imagine that!)

Fair enough, you didn’t say grew up in Israel, but spent lots and lots of time there etc as a Jew with Jewish parents and family there.

So where are you living now?
With all your travel you place *Colombia as your home. No real surprise there.

 

[Andyb2]

If you knew how Wikipedia works then you wouldn’t use it as a reliable source to support your baseless argument. You’re boring me now.

See my earlier comments but it has some balance compared to left wing anti Israel articles you’re likely to rely upon.

Do you also get your current affairs information from CNN?

 

[Djendn]

See my earlier comments but it has some balance compared to left wing anti Israel articles you’re likely to rely upon.

Do you also get your current affairs information from CNN?

Pertaining to a statement I made earlier where I clearly articulated that I avoided western media when reporting on this occupation, that should probably enlighten you as to whether I get my information from CNN lol

 

[Andyb2]

Pertaining to a statement I made earlier where I clearly articulated that I avoided western media when reporting on this occupation, that should probably enlighten you as to whether I get my information from CNN lol

Lol. Must be Al Jazeera then.

 

[Djendn]

Lol. Must be Al Jazeera then.

Try again.

 

[Djendn]

Lol. Must be Al Jazeera then.

it’s honestly mind blowing (but again in hindsight totally predictable) that even after me telling you how many friends & family I have in Israel and Palestine, how much time I’ve spent in the region, you’d assume I get information about an occupation I’m incredibly familiar with, from mainstream media.

I have no doubt in my mind you watch the Australian equivalent of Fox News. But honestly, you’re boring me now. Please share something of substance or take this as my peace out homie

I just can’t take you seriously

Try again.

 

[Andyb2]

it’s honestly mind blowing (but again in hindsight totally predictable) that even after me telling you how many friends & family I have in Israel and Palestine, how much time I’ve spent in the region, you’d assume I get information about an occupation I’m incredibly familiar with, from mainstream media.

I have no doubt in my mind you watch the Australian equivalent of Fox News. But honestly, you’re boring me now. Please share something of substance or take this as my peace out homie

I just can’t take you seriously

And you’ve avoided answering where you live. You want to be taken seriously, denigrate us ‘White’ (you’ve never seen me) non Al-Assad type Jews from Down Under because I’m not living in Israel yet you most likely live in *Colombia and clearly have far left leanings.

Were your “friends in the IDF” so immoral as well?

 

[Andyb2]

it’s honestly mind blowing (but again in hindsight totally predictable) that even after me telling you how many friends & family I have in Israel and Palestine, how much time I’ve spent in the region, you’d assume I get information about an occupation I’m incredibly familiar with, from mainstream media.

I have no doubt in my mind you watch the Australian equivalent of Fox News. But honestly, you’re boring me now. Please share something of substance or take this as my peace out homie

I just can’t take you seriously

You may well be a Palestinian who has profited by possibly working in Israel. Seems like you earnt enough under that evil fair going regime that you have enough to travel the world.

Or you’re just another left winger living in *Colombia who pretends to know things.

 

[Djendn]

And you’ve avoided answering where you live. You want to be taken seriously, denigrate us ‘White’ (you’ve never seen me) non Al-Assad type Jews from Down Under because I’m not living in Israel yet you most likely live in *Colombia and clearly have far left leanings.

Were your “friends in the IDF” so immoral as well?

As now stated twice before, I don’t live in Colombia. Wow.

My friends who served in the IDF have openly stated their wrongdoings whilst serving, even though it took them years to fathom and come to terms with what they did was inherently wrong. Brainwashing is real, but i guess that concept is unfathomable to you. Thankfully those acts weren’t what I would deem totally unjust or unlawful, but unfortunately that can’t be said for some of her fellow solider counterparts. It takes two seconds to find and watch videos online (Instagram lives, YouTube etc) of IDF soldiers abusing their power. If said search fails, feel free to DM me, will happily send you mine. Your level of denial and sympathising is making me fall asleep so on that note, enjoy the chat, I’m off to bed. Stay blessed. Stay safe. Stay privileged

 

[Djendn]

You may well be a Palestinian who has profited by possibly working in Israel. Seems like you earnt enough under that evil fair going regime that you have enough to travel the world.

Or you’re just another left winger living in *Colombia who pretends to know things.

my current place of residence is really bugging you isn’t it! It’s frightfully entertaining to witness.

here’s another hug. Peace and love

 

[Djendn]

You may well be a Palestinian who has profited by possibly working in Israel. Seems like you earnt enough under that evil fair going regime that you have enough to travel the world.

Or you’re just another left winger living in *Colombia who pretends to know things.

I have zero words for this entire paragraph. Man you’re truly lost. Brainwashed my friend. Ignorance isn’t bliss - it’s dangerous.

 

[zinderel]

Lol. Must be Al Jazeera then.

Andyb2: "If we can’t even discuss that reasonably here how do we expect the Middle East leaders to work out a reasonable solution."

 

[zinderel]

You may well be a Palestinian who has profited by possibly working in Israel. Seems like you earnt enough under that evil fair going regime that you have enough to travel the world.

Or you’re just another left winger living in *Colombia who pretends to know things.

Andyb2: "If we can’t even discuss that reasonably here how do we expect the Middle East leaders to work out a reasonable solution."

 

[chrisrobin]

And you’ve avoided answering where you live. You want to be taken seriously, denigrate us ‘White’ (you’ve never seen me) non Al-Assad type Jews from Down Under because I’m not living in Israel yet you most likely live in *Colombia and clearly have far left leanings.

Were your “friends in the IDF” so immoral as well?

So you are a white non Al-Sad type Jew living down under screaming for the rights of the promised land that in all probability you've never seen and now using your vies gleaned from biased reporting to espouse that the state of Israel is perfect.
Just remember one thing, the state of Israel came from the efforts of terrorists, yes indeed they came from Jewish terrorists who slaughtered anyone who got in their way. Most famous example is the St David's Hotel massacre.
The granting of a promised land came from the guilt the civilised world had about the Nazi/German atrocities with pressure put on all concerned to give in, to atone.
Never should we forget the ghetto's, the camps, the hardship and the moral inhumanity - but then neither should the state of Israel be allowed to inflict anything like those conditions on others JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Hamas is only a driving force to stop the slow stealing of land, protest against the freedom of movement. Hamas gets it's ammunition from the greedy state of Israel who highhandedly inflame the situation by planning new settlements on Occupied Territories (don't shat name in itself speak of an occupying force?) in prime locations that slowly enlarge what they see as the legitimate state of Israel.
Israel wants peace - then stop stealing land, treat Palestinians as human beings and they'll take away the gunpowder that fills the rockets of Hamas.

 

[Andyb2]

So you are a white non Al-Sad type Jew living down under screaming for the rights of the promised land that in all probability you've never seen and now using your vies gleaned from biased reporting to espouse that the state of Israel is perfect.
Just remember one thing, the state of Israel came from the efforts of terrorists, yes indeed they came from Jewish terrorists who slaughtered anyone who got in their way. Most famous example is the St David's Hotel massacre.
The granting of a promised land came from the guilt the civilised world had about the Nazi/German atrocities with pressure put on all concerned to give in, to atone.
Never should we forget the ghetto's, the camps, the hardship and the moral inhumanity - but then neither should the state of Israel be allowed to inflict anything like those conditions on others JUST BECAUSE THEY CAN.
Hamas is only a driving force to stop the slow stealing of land, protest against the freedom of movement. Hamas gets it's ammunition from the greedy state of Israel who highhandedly inflame the situation by planning new settlements on Occupied Territories (don't shat name in itself speak of an occupying force?) in prime locations that slowly enlarge what they see as the legitimate state of Israel.
Israel wants peace - then stop stealing land, treat Palestinians as human beings and they'll take away the gunpowder that fills the rockets of Hamas.

Yawn