It's good to be the King!

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SpeedoGuy said:
Like I said, I was shocked and dismayed at what happened. I just couldn't believe my superiors were so craven as to alter the wording and intent of my report without even informing me. Further, to prevent my talking to the press about it, I was slapped with a pre-emptive gag order...
Precisely. No huge surprise. Your anger and frustration are completely understandable. (And, no doubt, whether or not you were a rising star, I would bet a month's pay that the "higher-ups" kept a very close eye on that "new, talented, but troublesome" employee.)

The scary part is, that's part of a bigger picture. Big money is spent running our various federal agencies with the original intent of protecting our government and our citizens. But with the administration having editorial control over those semi-annual reports, really, how can you trust the employment statistics from the Dept. of Labor, or the environmental health stats of the EPA, the worker protection/discrimination statistics from the Bureau of Personnel Management, or even the reports from the Dept of Homeland Security? It's pervasive, and it's insidious, and it's malignant. When the king's state of the union address and his policy-making machine are based on "edited" information, where does that put "we-the-people"?
 

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Apparently, it's not too bad to be a jester in the king's court, either. After the misappropriations were discovered, bush's former advisor on medicare issues agreed to pay back almost $10,000 he received in travel reimbursement. Seems that at the time he ran up those bills, he was mixing a tiny bit of business in with his main objective: finding private-sector employment.

There are so many things wrong with that story. If you want details, do a google search on the terms "scully" and "medicare" and "travel".....
 

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sunsetapisto said:
ok if bush is such a threat to your freedom and he's such an evil man - you have canada to the north and mexico to the south. Pick one.
You can kiss my ass, or go fuck yourself. Pick one.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
You can kiss my ass, or go fuck yourself. Pick one.

My oh my, and people wonder why I just jump to being abrasive from the onset. I'm greedy- I'll take a little of each.:biggrin1:

Those "liberal" historians! Imagine them painting dear old dumbya as a bad president. See, historians write AND read books, I have no doubt this pres will be remembered as exactly the kind of aggressively stupid, morally bankrupt, greedy fuck he is. Historians are not beholden to him for their pay.
 
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You can kiss my ass, or go fuck yourself. Pick one.

well ... I can't fuck myself, guess I should pucker up ... :rolleyes:
 

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DC_DEEP said:
Here's an interesting article from Rolling Stone magazine. Caveat: if you are a bush supporter, you may want to skip this one...
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No reason to skip. I read Mother Jones and National Review.

As far as I'm concerned the jury's still out on GW. It will remain so for around twenty more years.

The linked article lost credibility for me on page one when it talked about Honest Abe being one of the greatest (he was) Presidents ever. In the midst of his term however, he was terrifically unpopular. This same croud would have most likely villified Lincoln even more that they do Bush back in the day.
 

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Another example you can add to Shelby's is Truman. Highly thought of now, so much so that dems and repubs want to invoke his spirit and reputation if the opportunity arises. But, at the end of his time in office, so poorly thought of (due to the Korean War) he was dealing with polls in the 20's and 30's with no hope of being re-elected to office.

Even Nixon rehabbed his image a little before his death, becoming a sought-out authority on foreign policy issues and a published (and well received) author.

I'm not saying GW is a Truman or even a Nixon. Just that history has its own unique way of working things out that doesn't care what old polling data says.
 

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Comparisons to Truman's and Lincoln's popularity are correct. Ultimately, history will judge GWB's performance as pres. In any case, I'll do what I can to make sure his aplogists don't completely whitewash his legacy such as is currently happening, slowly but surely, with Ronald Reagan and Nixon.
 

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SpeedoGuy said:
Comparisons to Truman's and Lincoln's popularity are correct. Ultimately, history will judge GWB's performance as pres. In any case, I'll do what I can to make sure his aplogists don't completely whitewash his legacy such as is currently happening, slowly but surely, with Ronald Reagan and Nixon.
I agree with all of the above. Lincoln may have done a couple of good things, but all in all, he did a lot of things that (in my opinion) bordered on treason. Not as fabulous as everyone seems to want to paint him, these days.

We have to temper our distaste of past presidents, though, with the understanding that (at least until now) the presidency was not a monarchy, and much of what past presidents did was not simply law by fiat. The current situation, however, has given unprecedented muscle to the presidential decree or proclamation or executive order. Yes, yes, other presidents have used executive order; but none have used it so much to circumvent the balance of powers, the checks and balances, and legal restrictions.
 

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DC_DEEP said:
I agree with all of the above. Lincoln may have done a couple of good things, but all in all, he did a lot of things that (in my opinion) bordered on treason. Not as fabulous as everyone seems to want to paint him, these days.

We have to temper our distaste of past presidents, though, with the understanding that (at least until now) the presidency was not a monarchy, and much of what past presidents did was not simply law by fiat. The current situation, however, has given unprecedented muscle to the presidential decree or proclamation or executive order. Yes, yes, other presidents have used executive order; but none have used it so much to circumvent the balance of powers, the checks and balances, and legal restrictions.

I agree. Lincoln didn't seem to like black folks very much, even though he thought it was wrong to own them. Funny how only about a third of the population agreed with him- and people wonder why I distrust my brothers to make my decisions for me.