I've got to doubt that man ever landed on the Moon...

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Why don't you wait until you've edited it to your satisfaction before you click Submit?

Also - Statue of Liberty? Please! Everyone knows that was a trick - people didn't believe it they just couldn't work it out. (He turned the stage, people.) That's the clever bit about illusionists people go into it knowing it isn't real and see what the illusionist wants them to see anyway. If clever, wise lafever who cannot have the wool pulled over his eyes had been there he'd have seen the same blank space as everyone else. It doesn't compare.
 

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Why don't you wait until you've edited it to your satisfaction before you click Submit?

Also - Statue of Liberty? Please! Everyone knows that was a trick - people didn't believe it they just couldn't work it out. (He turned the stage, people.) That's the clever bit about illusionists people go into it knowing it isn't real and see what the illusionist wants them to see anyway. If clever, wise lafever who cannot have the wool pulled over his eyes had been there he'd have seen the same blank space as everyone else. It doesn't compare.
You're making my point, people saw what NASA wanted them to see anyway.
 

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So you are saying that people watched the moon landing knowing it wasn't real. Is that REALLY what you are saying. Because that is the point I'm making about Copperfield's Statue of Liberty trick.
 

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Cool! We've connected the Kennedy assassination with the moon landing hoax. I'm pretty sure it was a KGB/mafia joint op funded by the Bilderberg Group and paved the way for the ZOG takeover that we don't even realize has happened.

Stand by while I write this post as I will edit several times so please wait until I'm done till you post, thanks.
 

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So you are saying that people watched the moon landing knowing it wasn't real. Is that REALLY what you are saying. Because that is the point I'm making about Copperfield's Statue of Liberty trick.

People went into it watching on T.V. I'm sure saying & thinking this; Wow! I can't believe this is really happening.
In peoples deep subconscious minds they didn't believe it was possible but they wanted to believe in it therefore it happened for them.
 

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People went into it watching on T.V. I'm sure saying & thinking this; Wow! I can't believe this is really happening.
In peoples deep subconscious minds they didn't believe it was possible but they wanted to believe in it therefore it happened for them.

Delusional, and deeply susceptible people will always wonder now, won't they?

Facts are facts. Own them and leave the obsessing and paranoia behind.
 

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People went into it watching on T.V. I'm sure saying & thinking this; Wow! I can't believe this is really happening.
In peoples deep subconscious minds they didn't believe it was possible but they wanted to believe in it therefore it happened for them.

You sure know an awful lot about what hundreds of millions of people have going on in their deep subconscious minds. :rolleyes:
 

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So you don't think they could fool anyone right?David Copperfield - Vanishing the Statue of Liberty - YouTube
Why would thousands of people lie if they are all reporting what they see, just like when David Copperfield made the statue of liberty vanish in plain site.
People believe what they see, that's why it's plausible that the world was taken in by a hoax.
People in general are mindless idiots that believe in what they see, the hands are always quicker than the eyes.
A magic trick isn't quite the same thing, but I see your point. Yes, you can fool some people (not everyone) with a visual-trick. It would need to be an amazingly impressive visual-trick in this case, but I see your point. Despite how implausible that is, how and why would you fool the people actually working on the project? All those people being paid to build rockets and test them in labs. It would be cheaper and easier to call it 'a top secret project' and skip to the 'illusion' part; the TV broadcast. A surprise announcement that they've been building it in secret for years would be sufficient. In your scenario, either the people working on the project were paid/bribed to keep quiet (not all of them would), or they were paid (they would need to be - they wouldn't be fooled otherwise) to engineer something that didn't need engineering because the US government would rather fake it - despite having just paid for it.

Then, the fully-functioning rocket was used in the illusion, rather than an actual space flight. Or, the few people with knowledge of the deception built a replica of the thing the duped-scientists built. It's silly - they would be throwing money down the drain. It simply doesn't make sense. On top of that, you would still need to keep the few with knowledge of the project quiet. Even if they were killed, you would then need to kill the killers - it would never end. Also, using your example for a moment - why hasn't David Copperfield said, "Yep, that was fake all right - I know what I'm talking about." He hasn't said that because it wasn't an illusion. Even when ignoring the evidence and impracticality of such an endeavour - I simply don't credit politicians with that level of creativity.
 

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A magic trick isn't quite the same thing, but I see your point. Yes, you can fool some people (not everyone) with a visual-trick. It would need to be an amazingly impressive visual-trick in this case, but I see your point. Despite how implausible that is, how and why would you fool the people actually working on the project? All those people being paid to build rockets and test them in labs. It would be cheaper and easier to call it 'a top secret project' and skip to the 'illusion' part; the TV broadcast. A surprise announcement that they've been building it in secret for years would be sufficient. In your scenario, either the people working on the project were paid/bribed to keep quiet (not all of them would), or they were paid (they would need to be - they wouldn't be fooled otherwise) to engineer something that didn't need engineering because the US government would rather fake it - despite having just paid for it.

Then, the fully-functioning rocket was used in the illusion, rather than an actual space flight. Or, the few people with knowledge of the deception built a replica of the thing the duped-scientists built. It's silly - they would be throwing money down the drain. It simply doesn't make sense. On top of that, you would still need to keep the few with knowledge of the project quiet. Even if they were killed, you would then need to kill the killers - it would never end. Also, using your example for a moment - why hasn't David Copperfield said, "Yep, that was fake all right - I know what I'm talking about." He hasn't said that because it wasn't an illusion. Even when ignoring the evidence and impracticality of such an endeavour - I simply don't credit politicians with that level of creativity.
It's more than just going to the moon it's about money.
In July 1962 Kennedy had asked Congress to approve more than $25 billion for the Apollo program.
Do you honestly think that it cost that much in 1962 to build a rocket, with inflation do you know what that would equate to today?
Seriously, I hate to put it out there but the politicians in the U.S. are one of the largest mob organizations in the world and they're funded by U.S. tax dollars not to be confused with campaign contributions and kickbacks from lobbyists.
To give you a perspective on this the World Trade Center which was a complex of several buildings featuring the landmark twin towers was built in lower Manhattan New York City in the United States for $400 million.
They started construction on August 5,1966 with the North tower being completed in December of 1972 and the South tower being completed in July of 1973 with the Complex opening on April 4, 1973.
With todays inflation in the year 2012 that would be $2,200,000,000 dollars.
 
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It's more than just going to the moon it's about money.
In July 1962 Kennedy had asked Congress to approve more than $25 billion for the Apollo program.
Do you honestly think that it cost that much in 1962 to build a rocket, with inflation do you know what that would equate to today?

No - because it didn't cost that much.

Seriously - I'd like to see the links proving the 25 billion in 62 alone - seeing as the conventional wisdom is that the whole Apollo deal from start to finish cost less than that.

So, links please - links to serious actual proof that Kennedy requested 25 billion in one year for that one project - not just a link to some hoakey conspiracy site you read whilst wearing your tin foil beanie.
 

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It's more than just going to the moon it's about money.
In July 1962 Kennedy had asked Congress to approve more than $25 billion for the Apollo program.
Do you honestly think that it cost that much in 1962 to build a rocket, with inflation do you know what that would equate to today?
Seriously, I hate to put it out there but the politicians in the U.S. are one of the largest mob organizations in the world and they're funded by U.S. tax dollars not to be confused with campaign contributions and kickbacks from lobbyists.
To give you a perspective on this the World Trade Center which was a complex of several buildings featuring the landmark twin towers was built in lower Manhattan New York City in the United States for $400 million.
They started construction on August 5,1966 with the North tower being completed in December of 1972 and the South tower being completed in July of 1973 with the Complex opening on April 4, 1973.
With todays inflation in the year 2012 that would be $2,200,000,000 dollars.
Well, it must have something to do with going to the moon - you believe they faked it. I'm not going to go into detail about money and inflation, but what does that have to do with faking the moon landing? I don't understand. What's the point? Once again, even if they were trying to move money under the cover of a space mission - why go to those extremes? It's far too much effort. It would be easier to say, "Yeah, I need all that money for charities and stuff." At least they could claim the money was divided or split-up among world-wide organisations and can't be traced. You know, they could have used me back in the day; I could have saved them a lot of effort.
 

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No - because it didn't cost that much.

Seriously - I'd like to see the links proving the 25 billion in 62 alone - seeing as the conventional wisdom is that the whole Apollo deal from start to finish cost less than that.

So, links please - links to serious actual proof that Kennedy requested 25 billion in one year for that one project - not just a link to some hoakey conspiracy site you read whilst wearing your tin foil beanie.
It's public record, look it up for yourself.
 

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If they wanted to hide money to funnel into someone's pocket, couldn't they just do it under the budgets of the agencies that didn't report their budget, like the CIA? It's a lot less work than convincing the world that they went to the moon.

This entire line of reasoning doesn't make any sense at all...
 

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If they wanted to hide money to funnel into someone's pocket, couldn't they just do it under the budgets of the agencies that didn't report their budget, like the CIA? It's a lot less work than convincing the world that they went to the moon.

This entire line of reasoning doesn't make any sense at all...
That's why it's so perfect.