I've got to doubt that man ever landed on the Moon...

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I wouldn't be too surprised if this thread was unpleasant to somebody,especially usa citizens, but I really want to put it off my chest...
Some years ago I was staring at the Moon in a wonderful night and I thought that is very strange the Man don't go to it anymore... If Moon trips aren't possible today, how the hell did the Nasa manage to make the Man land on it more than 40 years ago??? Also although it was filmed and forecasted in every Country, Italy included, nothing assure us it all wasn't a big special effect... just my thought and I don't mind to offend anyone, I like USA culture and people and I m not saying the USA government was a lier but boys let's think a bit about what I said before... 40 years after the first man landed on the Moon the trips to the Moon aren't a reality...

sorry I meant broadcasted not forecasted!! :redface:
 

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I guess I'm one of those. When I say that I mean;Hey I saw the moon landing, so yes it happen. Yes I was one of the millions who watched it live on TV as it happen. Us kids were told to watch as a man stepped on the moon for the first time, we all watch in awe and witness history has it unfolded.:reporter:
Secondly, I agree with what was said earlier, that if we had tried to fate it, the Russians would have been blowing the whistle before the flag didn't go up. :unitedstates:
Thirdly, My mom has always bragged no her first cousin. He had been recruited from Westingtonhouse by NASA to come work on their new project of getting a man to the moon. And that he stayed there until he retired.

I have to assume you believe Gremlins exist too, then
 
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There is no more a believer than myself that man set foot upon the moon. I remember being given a day off from school to watch the event on B&W TV.

One of the school excursions we went on all those years ago was to visit one of the stations set up in Aus to keep track of Apollo when it was out of touch with the US. Yes I was being of humour:)....I have never underestimated the determination of humankind to be a living part of the Universe.
 

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Some more questions;

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I hope everyone will notice the pattern here. Refuting the arguments of the hoax believers, as was done earlier in this thread, has no effect on them because they can always come up with more. They seem to think that an endless stream of bad arguments constitutes a good argument.
 

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Some more questions;

1. If debris from the Apollo missions were left on the moons surface should it not be visible today through a powerful telescope? The Clemintine probe that recently mapped the moons surface failed to show any of the Apollo debris left there by man during these missions. Where did the moon buggy and base of the lunar module go?

2. In '69 computer chips hadn't been invented. The maximum computer memory was 256k and was housed in a large air conditioned building. In '02 a computer required a minimum of 64mb of memory to run a simulated moon landing, and that didn't include the memory required to take off again after landing. The alleged computer on board Apollo 11 had 32k of memory, the equivalent of a simple calculator.

3. Instead of being able to jump at least 10 feet high in one-sixth gravity why was the highest jump less than two feet?

4. Why did the moon buggy have a width similar to a small car if it had actually been moving in one-sixth gravity it would have to have a width of 20 feet to keep from flipping over at most turns.

5. The astronauts water sourced air conditioner back packs should have produced frequent explosive vapor discharges. They never did!

6. The astronauts were easily able to bend their wrists, knees, fingers at 5.2psi, yet a boxers 4psi speedbag is virtually unbendable. They should have looked like the Michelin Man if their suits had been actually pressurized.

7. The lunar module was about the size of two phone booths. There is no way that an astronaut wearing his spacesuit, oxygen tank and other equipment in their backpacks could first fit into their seat nor could they emerge from the module because the exit door opened to the inside. There wasn't enough room!
following some of this logic we would have to believe the creation of the nuclear bomb was a hoax as well.
 

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following some of this logic we would have to believe the creation of the nuclear bomb was a hoax as well.
There is really no limit to what historical events you can declare to be hoaxes once you adopt the shabby methods of conspiracy theorists.
 

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I wouldn't be too surprised if this thread was unpleasant to somebody,especially usa citizens, but I really want to put it off my chest...
Some years ago I was staring at the Moon in a wonderful night and I thought that is very strange the Man don't go to it anymore... If Moon trips aren't possible today, how the hell did the Nasa manage to make the Man land on it more than 40 years ago??? Also although it was filmed and forecasted in every Country, Italy included, nothing assure us it all wasn't a big special effect... just my thought and I don't mind to offend anyone, I like USA culture and people and I m not saying the USA government was a lier but boys let's think a bit about what I said before... 40 years after the first man landed on the Moon the trips to the Moon aren't a reality...
I don't think man has ever been there. Hell, they can't send the shuttle up without something going wrong every time it goes up. Who could trust a vehicle to go there and come back safely?
 

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I don't think man has ever been there. Hell, they can't send the shuttle up without something going wrong every time it goes up. Who could trust a vehicle to go there and come back safely?
ahem, put the two tragedies aside, do you understand or grasp that the shuttle missions have been in active service longer than the mercury, gemini, and apollo missions combined???

btw, back to a previous post, i doubt the families of grissom, chafee, and white think it was all a hoax

gripping stuff here folks and i doubt part of an elaborate hoax, but the tragic deaths of some very brave souls.:usa:

YouTube - ‪The Final Moments of Apollo One‬‏
 
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well it seems I was a good idea to start this thread. Thus I have been able to know many usa citizens think just like me it all was a big hoax
hand full of wingnuts on a large dick site does not constitute "many" usa citizens!! with all of your fascination for numbers, measurement and statistics i would think that you would grasp that or, as usual, are you asking questions to fit your already pre-determined belief? regardless of what common sense and facts say to the contrary??
 

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hand full of wingnuts on a large dick site does not constitute "many" usa citizens!! with all of your fascination for numbers, measurement and statistics i would think that you would grasp that or, as usual, are you asking questions to fit your already pre-determined belief? regardless of what common sense and facts say to the contrary??

Ok I have to admit I exaggerated another time... btw you can't deny there are at least as many non believers as believers...
 

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well it seems I was a good idea to start this thread. Thus I have been able to know many usa citizens think just like me it all was a big hoax

USA is a big place with lots of people. Many gullible individuals, militant skeptics and outright nuts. It doesn't make your suspicions of a moon landing hoax any less lunatic.
 
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Ok I have to admit I exaggerated another time... btw you can't deny there are at least as many non believers as believers...
no, not at all sir, back and forth banter on a thread proves nothing of the kind, just that you have a handful of folks that like to post.
 

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There is really no limit to what historical events you can declare to be hoaxes once you adopt the shabby methods of conspiracy theorists.

Aren't the US Govt, the CIA et al. conspiracy theorists too? Wasn't that the whole point of the cold war, & the present Islamic threat!

The Govt. says "We did an investigation into ourselves into which we set the parameters, & appointed its scrutineers, destroyed & lost evidence,& we've found ourselves innocent"! It's not credible compared to a thiord party uninterested investigation.

Lumping all SCEPTICISM of government institutions into one group is ridiculous.

Atheists have an absolute right to reject the existence of God, & anyone has the right to remain sceptical & cynical of anything in the absence of compelling proof, or INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY investigatory evidence.

The moon landings were an incredible feat, a feat made more incredible by the fact that it hasn't been done again for 40 years, & despite claiming to see to the beginning of time, we can't see a lunar buggy (from an high powered orbiting telescope with fuck all haze) on the moon.

The missions went incredibly well, with only one real screw up, where miraculously a lander designed for life support for 2 for 45 hours, extended to 3 for 90 hours.

Maybe NASA should work on world energy problems instead!:smile:

I'm a believer, but that's the key word - belief. It all happened before I was born, & Governments since time immemorial have told whopping lies, & permanently "lost" their own records - (NASA wiped it's original film).

I think they just got lucky, & the health & safety costs now probably far exceed the known benefits of further exploration. I've no idea why they don't just fire off some supplies or kit to a designated area, for the future, or have a full time lunar satellite.

It's perplexing.
 

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well it seems I was a good idea to start this thread. Thus I have been able to know many usa citizens think just like me it all was a big hoax
If you are seriously interested in the question whether people in the USA believe that there was no landing on the moon, why not look into the findings of surveys? For example:

Could moon landings have been faked? Some still think so

By Brandon Griggs
CNN
July 17, 2009

. . . A 1999 Gallup poll found that a scant 6 percent of Americans doubted the Apollo 11 moon landing happened, and there is anecdotal evidence that the ranks of such conspiracy theorists, fueled by innuendo-filled documentaries and the Internet, are growing.​
Or, in the Wikipedia article "Moon landing conspiracy theories":

There are subcultures worldwide which advocate the belief that the Moon landings were faked. James Oberg of ABC News stated that claims made that the Moon landings were faked are actively taught in Cuban schools and wherever Cuban teachers are sent.[4][5] A 1999 Gallup poll found that 6% of the Americans surveyed doubted that the Moon landings happened and that 5% of those surveyed had no opinion,[6][7][8][9] which roughly matches the findings of a similar 1995 Time/CNN poll.[6] Officials of Fox television stated that such skepticism increased to about 20% after the February 2001 airing of that network's TV show Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon? seen by approximately 15 million viewers.[7] This 2001 Fox special is viewed as having promoted the hoax claims.[10][11]​
So the figure is probably somewhere between 6% and 20%.
Ok I have to admit I exaggerated another time... btw you can't deny there are at least as many non believers as believers...
I can't tell if by "believers" you mean "believers in the theory that the moon landings were faked" or "people who accept that human beings have landed on the moon." If you mean that the former are equal in number to the latter then what you say is proved false by the surveys cited above. If your claim concerns only LPSG, then any inference drawn from the views of people posting in one particular thread to those of the whole membership of the site is highly unreliable; but even if you are only talking about this thread, I count roughly three times as many people here rejecting the hoax theory as propounding it.

What you want to infer from the fact that some proportion of the population believes something I am not sure. To me, the interest of such figures is that they raise alarms. The incidence of wacko beliefs is always far higher than one would wish.
no, haven't read either. so, i guess i'm uneducated and retarded in the world of calboner.
What appalls me is that people are willing to embrace a belief that is not only wildly improbable but obnoxious and outrageous, while showing no interest whatever in subjecting that belief to objective critical examination. Some conspiracy theory gets a grip on you and all that you are interested in is piling up the anecdotes and the arguments that you take to support it, rather than considering whether the anecdotes really do support the case and whether the arguments stand up to examination. The measure of the probability of a belief is how well it squares with the available evidence and with everything else that we know about how the world works, not how much it appeals to one's sense of being in on a secret or being in bold defiance of common opinion.
 
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