Jelqing, no bullshit

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Jelqing, in a routine along with stretches, often kegel, and occasionally the oriental massage provided me with roughly 1/2 - 3/4" girth increase and 1/2" length gains (averaging measures before starting and after stopping) in about 4 months.
 
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You know, I've always wondered this. But it seems to be more of a try it before you bash it type of thing. I'm not going to shit all over the theory of it until I actually try it. But in theory, it should work. What I don't understand though is the anatomy of it all. I've read about it, and of course you're affecting the spongy tissue in the penis, but that isn't a muscle. Are you just breaking down the blood vessels, and causing a signal that more blood vessels are needed each time for healing, so that fills up the Coropora Cavernosa / Spongiosum more? I understand basic human anatomy, so please explain the healing process of this? Any other body parts like this so I can gain a better understanding? (only reason I ask is because I'm probably going to attempt this soon, and would like to go in to jelqing well informed)
 

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You know, I've always wondered this. But it seems to be more of a try it before you bash it type of thing. I'm not going to shit all over the theory of it until I actually try it. But in theory, it should work. What I don't understand though is the anatomy of it all. I've read about it, and of course you're affecting the spongy tissue in the penis, but that isn't a muscle. Are you just breaking down the blood vessels, and causing a signal that more blood vessels are needed each time for healing, so that fills up the Coropora Cavernosa / Spongiosum more? I understand basic human anatomy, so please explain the healing process of this? Any other body parts like this so I can gain a better understanding? (only reason I ask is because I'm probably going to attempt this soon, and would like to go in to jelqing well informed)
People say that the penis isn't a muscle and so you can't build it up at all, because only muscles can be expanded upon. This isn't the truth, strictly speaking. There are three kinds of expansion you'd need to see visible gains in length and girth: ligaments, blood vessels/chambers, and skin.

First off, ligament growth in both lengthening and elasticity is necessary to see gains, because they keep the penis anchored at its base. The reason why penis surgery gives a length increase is because it severs these ligaments and allows more of the internal penis out. It is however very proven that ligaments can be expanded upon. If it couldn't, routine stretching wouldn't make you more flexible.

Second, skin growth is necessary to see visible gains, because if the flesh grows but the skin surrounding it does not, it would just be more tightly packed into the same package. Skin growth is likewise proven to work with routine stretching. You can see the results in those that have extreme piercings, and skin stretching over time is also commonly used as a medical alternative to skin grafting for burn victims, as well as in foreskin restoration.

Finally, the blood chambers/vessels must be expanded, because the penis must be capable of engorging with blood in order to inflate it to greater levels. Exercise has been proven to do that to other blood vessels in the body, as well as the penis itself. Blood vessels throughout the body are larger and more elastic in a fit person than in a couch potato. Similarly, lack of exercise has been shown to correlate with smaller, less elastic vessels. This has been attributed to the blood being pushed throughout the body at greater levels for regular intervals, and the body adjusting to make the cardiovascular system more efficient. This is one of the mechanics by which people become more fit.

So scientifically, there is a basis for saying jelqing works. Stretching exercises are usually a part of the warm up to stimulate ligament growth, and there are stretches that target the skin as well. Kegels are now touted as one of the best exercises to improve your sex life, because they improves the blood flow to your genitals and give you better orgasmic control, and they are usually included. Jelqing itself stretches the skin and forces the blood chambers to capacity to stimulate gains in length and girth.

I will say that even among those who have claimed no gains by jelqing, most have noticed an increase in erection firmness and responsiveness. Many have even claimed to have cured their erectile dysfunction. Like any exercise though, you get out of jelqing what you put into it.
 
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Ok, so first of all a question about the skin: stretch marks. Are those common with pe increase, or is the elasticity of the area more forgiving to exercise and thus minimize the chance for stretch marks?

And about the ligaments, is it safe to say that you are in a way comparing it to an athlete's ligaments, which may be larger and much more flexible then a normal person? I understand that, but in terms of PE that would mean a long time to see decent results. Athletes don't just spring up out of nowhere and can run a marathon or compete at a professional level in ~3 months, which some of the gains here of an inch + here seem a bit ridiculous. Are some people more prone to faster growth? I wish there was an institute or study to go along with this.

And I fully agree with your statement about even with no gains, erection quality must have improved. It's like giving a massage to an area day after day. You'll increase blood flow, which is obviously what causes some erection weakness. But what about this with ED, where the constricted blood vessels don't allow an erection? Could PE help with that, or is that an area for Viagra / other drugs?
 

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Ok, so first of all a question about the skin: stretch marks. Are those common with pe increase, or is the elasticity of the area more forgiving to exercise and thus minimize the chance for stretch marks?

And about the ligaments, is it safe to say that you are in a way comparing it to an athlete's ligaments, which may be larger and much more flexible then a normal person? I understand that, but in terms of PE that would mean a long time to see decent results. Athletes don't just spring up out of nowhere and can run a marathon or compete at a professional level in ~3 months, which some of the gains here of an inch + here seem a bit ridiculous. Are some people more prone to faster growth? I wish there was an institute or study to go along with this.

And I fully agree with your statement about even with no gains, erection quality must have improved. It's like giving a massage to an area day after day. You'll increase blood flow, which is obviously what causes some erection weakness. But what about this with ED, where the constricted blood vessels don't allow an erection? Could PE help with that, or is that an area for Viagra / other drugs?
First off, I've never seen stretch marks on a penis, regardless of enlargement method. If you managed to get some, you could probably smooth them out with the cocoa butter lotions intended for such.

Second off, the "gains" many people notice when they gain an inch or more in a relatively short amount of time aren't actually real size increase. This is just the penis being toned to the point where it can inflate to capacity. Basically, they were really out of shape, and this problem was fixed by working out.

For real gains, do the math to see why they are slow. If someone had a penis that was 6" long and 1.5" across (the high end of average, I'm told), then they might want to go to 8" long and 2" wide. They might not see this as a big increase, but this is a 33.33% increase across all dimensions. The penis is basically cylindrical in shape, so if you estimate by using the formula for volume of a cylinder, you see that this is a 137% increase in size. If you were working out and wanted to increase, say, your muscle mass, how long would you expect to work out in order to see a 137% increase? Jelqing regimens should be measured in years, not months.
 

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I wish there was a way to get all of this useful info to inquiring, doubting, newbies.

But sadly, the same question, with the same "prove it to me attitude" will happen again. I predict that this will happen before the end of next week. And the funny part is that the newbie would not of read this thread.
 
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First off, I've never seen stretch marks on a penis, regardless of enlargement method. If you managed to get some, you could probably smooth them out with the cocoa butter lotions intended for such.

Second off, the "gains" many people notice when they gain an inch or more in a relatively short amount of time aren't actually real size increase. This is just the penis being toned to the point where it can inflate to capacity. Basically, they were really out of shape, and this problem was fixed by working out.

For real gains, do the math to see why they are slow. If someone had a penis that was 6" long and 1.5" across (the high end of average, I'm told), then they might want to go to 8" long and 2" wide. They might not see this as a big increase, but this is a 33.33% increase across all dimensions. The penis is basically cylindrical in shape, so if you estimate by using the formula for volume of a cylinder, you see that this is a 137% increase in size. If you were working out and wanted to increase, say, your muscle mass, how long would you expect to work out in order to see a 137% increase? Jelqing regimens should be measured in years, not months.

I don't know why, but I sense a bit of anger in this post? I'm merely curious as to this, and if you read through my post I agree with you. I'm definitely not doubting it, but I do doubt radical changes in a few months. Unless you're superman or have some amazing molecular regeneration, it takes years (as you said). So a few of these short term gains are sort of like people using viagra, but instead they're using the safer, natural route versus the drug route to increase blood flow to the area.
And to me, going from 6 inches in length to 8 alone is a big increase, even if the girth remains the same. What sort of people are you advising, people that want to be donkeys?? :eek:
I wish there was a way to get all of this useful info to inquiring, doubting, newbies.

But sadly, the same question, with the same "prove it to me attitude" will happen again. I predict that this will happen before the end of next week. And the funny part is that the newbie would not of read this thread.

If this is in reference to my post, I'm simply asking questions. I haven't really considered attempting PE because I really haven't had the drive or the time. Now I'm definitely considering it, and from what I can tell you guys have been nothing but positive, helping everyone as they come along. I appreciate it but not all of us are skeptics or idiots, we just like to see results and regrettably, we might be lazy :frown1:
 
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I'm also in the position with nothing to lose. I'm at a decent size now, my GF never complains, but I feel like I want try it to see if it works for me. Plus it'd be fun :D
 

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Kodak, my post was not in referance to yours. Or maybe it was, but in the positive way.

I was making the point that my biggest pet peeve are guys that ask if PE works or not. Then they demand you prove it to them. I aint proving shit to no one. Why? Because those who believe, no explaination is necessary. Those who dont, none will suffice.

Now, if you have a question about how you go about doing it, a routine, or a question on an excersize, with the assumption that you believe it will work, then I will be generous with info.

But anyone that asks, "does this work?", has not spent enough time researching the subject. And I have no time for them. Not anymore.
 

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Ok, so first of all a question about the skin: stretch marks. Are those common with pe increase, or is the elasticity of the area more forgiving to exercise and thus minimize the chance for stretch marks?

you're probably going to receive different answers on this one, but I have been getting noticeable gains without any stretch marks
 

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Jelqing takes time and discipline. Most people want results in a week and they will never get it. Give yourself at least about 2 months if you want to see meaningful gains. A 1 inch gain is very possible with the right type of jelqing.
 
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