Jena 6 Case is History Written in Lightning

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This whole thing was a cock up from jump street. The kids who hung the nooses should have been made an example of and suspended with a formal apology to the whole school and this whole beatdown would have been avoided. Anyone who wants to argue the hanging of nooses is full of it. There is only one reason they hung them and it wasn't Halloween.

The white kids basically got no punishment for inciting a riot and the black kids are being treated like gang bangers for beating this kid. The question in my mind is were it 6 white kids beating up a black kid like that, would they get the same punishment?
 

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I elect to reserve my righteous indignation for people who don't commit violent crimes.

So you believe they deserve 100 years in prison for a school fight? that fight, itself, being the climax of a series of racially charged violent crimes/threats against black students of the town that went unnoticed or not addressed by the legal system seriously.

It's wild on this forum sometimes.
 

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Roland martin sums this up in the best way possible:
Commentary: 'Jena 6' rally was about equal justice, not race

Story Highlights
  • Thousands of protesters converge on Jena, Louisiana, in support of the "Jena 6"
  • The teens are charged with beating a white classmate
  • Martin: Rather than a black-white issue, this is a matter of defining equal justice
By Roland S. Martin
CNN contributor
(CNN) -- As I watched thousands of people gather in Jena, Louisiana, via CNN and CNN.com, tears were streaming down my face.
Even though I was doing my radio show on WVON-AM in Chicago at the time, it was truly emotional watching the display.
It was reminiscent of the Million Man March in 1995, when black men gathered in the nation's capital in a mass show of unity.
As a 38-year-old African-American man, I have no memory of the Civil Rights Movement.
I was born November 14, 1968, and Martin Luther King Jr. had been assassinated seven months earlier.
His death, in many ways, signaled an end to that long but peaceful resistance against America's systemic and deeply rooted oppression of African-Americans.
It was great seeing so many people exercising their free speech and right to protest, but to also demand a change to what they felt is an unjust legal system.
Many people have commented on what is taking place in Jena, with some suggesting that the six black teens accused of beating a white teen deserve years in prison, while others say they should be freed.
It is true that Justin Barker, a white teen, was beaten and left unconscious. The disturbing photos clearly show that.
Yet, the question as to whether a school fight -- one that sent Barker to the hospital, only to see him released the same day and attend a party that night -- warranted the teens to be charged with attempted murder.
Folks, that's the primary reason for the outrage that you have seen and heard.
Much of the reporting and commentary on this has been shallow, choosing to see it as a black-white issue, as opposed to the various views of how do you define equal justice in America.
Let's try this exercise for a moment. We can remove all racial tags and ask ourselves some critical questions.
  • If you heard that six teens had beaten up another teen leaving him unconscious, would you think that those accused deserved to be tried as adults and face upwards of 80 years in jail?
  • If a group of teens hung a noose on a tree, and the principal recommended to expel them, and then the school board overruled them, what would you say about that?
  • Prior to Justin Barker being beaten, another teen (who was black) was beaten, and no charges were filed against the (white) students in that case, would you question the district attorney's action in Barker's case? Lady Justice in America is supposed to be blind. We all want to have confidence in our legal system so that when someone is prosecuted, it is fair and just. But so many people know that is not the case.
    Look at O.J. Simpson. Thirteen years later, people are still mad that he got off.
    Fine. So if you're mad about O.J., are you equally offended about Jena?
    Frankly, I wish the crowds in Jena were far more integrated. I was hoping more whites would show up to express their displeasure with this justice system. And I am hoping that those who see this case -- and O.J. -- as wrong will look at the case of former Chicago police commander Jon Burge, who has been accused of leading the torture of upwards of 200 black and Hispanic men over nearly two decades.
    Many of them went to prison based on beaten confessions, and when they were freed, the city paid millions in settlements.
    But what happened to Burge? He's sitting in his Florida home, collecting a big pension, while the city spends millions defending him (because he was a city employee). He has never been charged.
    We can travel all across America and find case after case after case of men and women who have been wrongfully imprisoned, some sitting on the doorsteps of the death chamber.
    What should we take away from Jena? We must all be vigilant in demanding that our legal system is fair and just. We must not be silent and say it's not in our backyard, so therefore it doesn't matter.
    It might be the Jena 6 today, and it just might be your household tomorrow.
    Write. Call. E-mail. Petition. Protest. If all of that leads to more fairness and equality, then the march was valuable.
    Your race doesn't matter in this. Your voice is what counts.
 

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Excellent news, this whole thing should be thrown out of court, shouldnt have been in court in the first place.

You are correct. It should never have been an issue, nor should it have been allowed to get this far.

On a slightly different note, I think that this event is proof, that we still need Affirmative Action in this country. It may need some tweaking but we have obviously not progressed to being a color blind society.
 

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And the parents and grandparents of these high school students who have taught and acted out hatred for decades get a pass again. Will they get punsished for teaching racism and hatred to the chidlren? When hell freezes over, maybe.

Meanwhile another generation of kids in the South know first hand the legacy of forced slavery and the impact on society in the South 150 years after the end of the Civil War.

When oh when will the Deep South finally rid itself the worst parts of its history on Southern society of the present and future?

And I am speaking as a Southern whose Southern roots go back to before the Revolutionary War.
 

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You are correct. It should never have been an issue, nor should it have been allowed to get this far.

On a slightly different note, I think that this event is proof, that we still need Affirmative Action in this country. It may need some tweaking but we have obviously not progressed to being a color blind society.

How in the goddamn hell should this be thrown out of court???
 

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The whole thing just made me want to cry. I have heard that the tree was cut down and is now just a stump.

When I first read about this a couple of weeks ago, I shuddered for a couple of reasons--firstly because of the racism that is alive and well in Jena, and secondly, because of what Jena and Jena High School mean to this board.

Well the tree is an outcome of all this diversity a la LGBT club, African-American students club, Asian students, ROTC, Young Republicans... the OVER recognizing and individuality is PURE EVIL MANIFESTED IN GOOD INTENTIONS... all it does is separate ppl.
 
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They're all assholes. The white ones, and the black ones. I don't do that kind of shit, and none of them need to participate in it. It's all stemmed from hate, no matter who started what. Walking away is so easy, and what happened here doesn't just happen out of the blue. It's progressive contempt, and stirred emotions. There was obviously some pushing and pulling on both sides.

None of it was right, maybe not all of it could have been avoided, but the end result would have been much different had they all just contacted authorities.

What pisses me off is that all of a sudden everyone in America gets to complain about racism because of a bunch of retarded, hormonal, hot-headed irrational teenage kids who think the world is theirs to command.
 

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How in the goddamn hell should this be thrown out of court???

Same reason brandishing a shotgun gets no time. Same reason why the people who beat up Robert Bailey don't have life sentences in front of them. The charges are ridiculous at best.

If you've got a problem with them beating up this kid in not even a GRUESOME way. Look up Emmett Till...See how they brutally shot that young man numerous times beat him unrecognizable, threw him in a river, AND GOT OFF SCOTT FREE (for a while). If you want to compare injustices, do some research. This isn't something that can be taken lightly, There needs to be EQUAL justice, and even in this situation there was NOT equal justice...in fact it was the complete OPPOSITE of equal justice with the events leading up to the fight.

I saw the pics of the kid who got beat up...what a joke. the kid looked like the winning boxer does when he get out of the ring

20-100 years in prison for THIS?!   The Jena 6: Photo of Justin Barker’s Injuries - Pursuing Holiness
 

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Are you saying that if a black kid went around braging about his freinds beating up a white kid then was knocked out and kicked In the head several times by white kids that they would just be suspended? Al and Jesse would be on that like flies on shit. I forgot. Tawana Brawley was a seperate incident.

I'm not justifying anyone's actions but if I beat the shit out of everyone that pissed me off I'd would have been on death row years ago. Believe me I think there are a lot of people that need a good ass kicking but until it becomes legal i'll wait for the first punch... or shot. Act like an animal, get caged like one.
Lest we
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL forget these gentlemen STILL committed a hate crime. Period, End of story.
I just can't believe the heartless sentiments being posted on here.

First and foremost, this was a school fight. There are SOOO many school fights that go under the radar. Where I am? Kids beat the bloody hell outta other kids and the kids get expelled or suspended. Black/White/etc.

You guys are forgetting the fact that in Jena a similar incident happened where a bunch of White kids beat up a Black kid and THEY got charged with nothing. The kids who hung the noose on the tree? They got in school suspension and (I learned from watching the news today) even THAT was overturned. If we're going to treat all the same, then they need to take the boys that beat up the Bailey kid and try them as adults for attempted murder as well. No one in this thread is calling for that.

It was a freaking fight. People get beat up. That's old news.

I think the biggest opponent in consolidation on this issue for both sides is what people are arguing about. Nobody is saying that the Jena 6 are innocent and should be let go "scott free". But do these 16 year old (and younger) boys deserve to be tried as adults and sent to prison for 22 years because of a schoolyard fight? Come on...you people are impudent peons if you can even consider that being fair. They deserved to be punished for their actions as do everyone else involved, but not tried for ATTEMPTED MURDER. That is the issue.
 

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Sorry, but where have you guys been the last 5 years... this is the AGE of SENSITIVITY. You don't see it in national headlines, but here in California.. if/when a group of Vietnamese kids beat up a Mexican kid... REGARDLESS if it's a drug deal, or white on black, or multiple on one race, you name it... samoan on whomever (by the way, Samoans are the biggest bad-asses, and the sweetest ppl on your good side , next to Tongans)... it's brandish'd a hate crime.

If this was 5 or 6 white guys beating a black/mexican/minority.. and the charges lowered... we'd see an even bigger protest.

Granted racism is still alive in America.. always has, always will be. Name me ONE COUNTRY were it isn't, I will prove you niave. But it's awful that Al Shaprton and Jesse Jackson are going for the low blow with the LCD here,... where the F are these guys on the black-on-black community. Physicians.. heal thyself.

Sorry, maybe I'm niave being here in California. But this is lib media having a FIELD DAY... esp when I see Hillary dogpiling... she's more white than the Mexican-apologist George Bush. But the lefties eat that shit up like a fecal fetish video...
 

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Sorry, to offend, but you must be niave, under 25 or both.. look at the sentence for a DUI.. name one person who got pulled over for a .08 casually driving 15MPH over the speed limit getting jail time. You are taking the extreme, when you darn well know the max sentence is NEVER.. I repeat never issued. Serial killers MAYBE... MAYBE serve multiple life sentences. The maximum sentence allowable is used for multiple offense criminals. Whcih like OJ, one of these gentlemen... never mind. When/if it happens 4 to 7 years later.. it won't even be mentioned.
 

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I just can't believe the heartless sentiments being posted on here.

First and foremost, this was a school fight. There are SOOO many school fights that go under the radar. Where I am? Kids beat the bloody hell outta other kids and the kids get expelled or suspended. Black/White/etc.

You guys are forgetting the fact that in Jena a similar incident happened where a bunch of White kids beat up a Black kid and THEY got charged with nothing. The kids who hung the noose on the tree?


Since we're talking about technicalities here.. hanging a couple nooses is Freedom of Speech... (see first amendment right that the left claims whilst flag burning, etc...). As awful as that sounds.. it's not even a hate crime, if he hung on one of the students locker, or with a name, etc.... then yes.

In the spirit of the law... both are hate crimes.. but everyone seems to be lauding the Jena gentlemen as martyrs.

Funny, ppl here dogpile on Christianity, yet a couple nooses in reaction to a white tree... which is the root problem of individualism vs Americanism.... is 5000x worse. Both are no different.
 

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You're acting as if a sentence hasn't been granted. It HAS...one guy has to spend the next 22 years of his life in prison because he was in a schoolyard fight?
Since we're talking about technicalities here.. hanging a couple nooses is Freedom of Speech... (see first amendment right that the left claims whilst flag burning, etc...). As awful as that sounds.. it's not even a hate crime, if he hung on one of the students locker, or with a name, etc.... then yes.
Yes...and let's completely ignore the pistol grip sawed off shotgun (which is completely illegal) that was pulled on a guy or even the fact that a Black kid was beaten by a group of White kids. Because that's all negligible when the fact of the matter is that 6 Black boys need to go to jail for no less than 22 years each.
 

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You're acting as if a sentence hasn't been granted. It HAS...one guy has to spend the next 22 years of his life in prison because he was in a schoolyard fight?
Yes...and let's completely ignore the pistol grip sawed off shotgun (which is completely illegal) that was pulled on a guy or even the fact that a Black kid was beaten by a group of White kids. Because that's all negligible when the fact of the matter is that 6 Black boys need to go to jail for no less than 22 years each.
>>> 6 Black boys need to go to jail for no less than 22 years each.
this never even got to trial... come on... do we need to dive into every case that the "max" applies to.. and then when the rubber hits the road.. the actual sentence is country club like.. come on, you're better than that.... you bottle feeding off the media...

likewise, oh the white couple that brutally raped... by blacks a few months ago... that the left media REFUSED to touch/highlight and so and so on and so on.

The "walking on glass" on race is getting ridiculous....
 

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there are some ignorant racist people who post here shit is crazy...Do you guys actually believe you aren't racist or do you readily admit it? I bet your blood started to boil when you heard a whiteboy got beat up.
 

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there are some ignorant racist people who post here shit is crazy...Do you guys actually believe you aren't racist or do you readily admit it? I bet your blood started to boil when you heard a whiteboy got beat up.

No... actually I realize... and I learned from Thomas Sowell (ingoramouses can look him up for practicality)... that anything neutral, pragmatic, constructively contrarian, or casually debatable...

The argument from the guilt-ridden modern-left whites is "that there is no argument...". On the environment, racism, economics, etc..

Can't wait for Sowell's piece on Tuesday.... (it must burn)... RealClearPolitics - Articles by Thomas Sowell

and thusly reminds me how pointless the Et Cetera forum here is. There is no argument.....it's ALL ONE SIDED.