Jerry Falwell Dies

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There is already a new thread about this here. The search button can be fond at the top of the page :wink:

Which I saw 30 seconds after my post, apologies. Meanwhile since this is the "celebrity endowments" board, I'll guess that we're talking miniscule.
 

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I don't know about his sincerity, I think he manipulated the ignorant into contributing by scaring them with hamasetls, power and wealth were his motivation. A very successfull professional phobe.

He will likely be re-encarnated as a slime mold.
 

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Jerry Falwell did a lot of horrible things in the name of God. I think by far the worse thing he did was replace a gospel of love with a gospel of hate. It has made many Christians forget the very fundamental core of their faith and replace it with the antithesis of what Christ died for. I just don't get how that could happen. What we need in this world is for Christians to be more Christ like, Buddhists to be more like Buda, Moslems to be more Mohammed like. IMAGINE...
 

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I was definitely no fan of Falwell's beliefs, but I would also like to believe that we are more noble, as people, if we forgive.

I think the problem with Falwell was that he became basically a politician who used a questionable and controversial form of religion to achieve nasty political goals. There's nothing religious about being liberal toward the rich and powerful, and conservative toward the weak or the despised.

There is also nothing religious about avoiding reality. If something is not real, it can't be sacred. Falwell encouraged people to avoid reality when it came to gays, and instead did something very unamerican and non-religious. He encouraged them to give into prejudice and bigotry, and made a hell of a lot of money doing it.

I have a hard time remembering a single great religious figure, in any religious tradition, who did that.

The man was a disgrace to the US, and a disgrace to the religious figures he claimed to follow. He used both the US and religion to suit himself, to the extent that he could profit from one or both.

Maybe I am out of step, but if I really love somebody, or a country, or even a religious tradition, the first question I have is not how and whether I can use them to make myself look good, or to make money at their expense. I can't see anything religious or patriotic or even decent in that.

So for me, it's not a question of forgiveness. It's a question of justice, and of undoing some of the damage that guy and his followers did to others, and to the political system in the US. You don't "forgive" a virus that causes an epidemic, or a hurricane after the damage is done. You simply clean up the mess, and try to lessen the risk of it happening again in the future.
 

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I don't think liberals hate Jerry Falwell just for being a bigot. There are lots of bigots out there. It's just that he was an effective bigot, a leader who rallied 12 million born again Christians to vote, put Ronald Regan into office, converted the American South into a Republican stronghold, made abortion a presidential issue, and made the Christian right have a voice in American politics. That's what gets under your skin, the fact that he was so effective and set back the liberal agenda a couple of decades. Well I say fight fire with fire.

What liberal leader today could claim even a fraction of that success. Jessy Jackson? hardly. Hillary Clinton? don't make me laugh. As despicable a person he was he had balls, charisma, and manipulated the media like no body's business. He was the lightning rod of the Religious Right - they always were here just scattered and without a voice. Although I didn't believe the things that he was advocating I do admire his passion, and drive - misdirected as they may have been. I didn't know the man well enough or personally so I can't comment on his integrity. I wish him no ill will on his death. Just let all the hate he carried around this earth, and all the suffering he inflicted follow him in his death.
 

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I think the problem with Falwell was that he became basically a politician who used a questionable and controversial form of religion to achieve nasty political goals. There's nothing religious about being liberal toward the rich and powerful, and conservative toward the weak or the despised.

There is also nothing religious about avoiding reality. If something is not real, it can't be sacred. Falwell encouraged people to avoid reality when it came to gays, and instead did something very unamerican and non-religious. He encouraged them to give into prejudice and bigotry, and made a hell of a lot of money doing it.

I have a hard time remembering a single great religious figure, in any religious tradition, who did that.

The man was a disgrace to the US, and a disgrace to the religious figures he claimed to follow. He used both the US and religion to suit himself, to the extent that he could profit from one or both.
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I accept the view of disgust that many would have with his politics. I just think that even mainstream America has moved beyond him. Falwell was nothing more than a Millenialist preacher, fundamentally. He believed that our modern ills were condemning society to Hell as foretold in Revelations. His influence, however, was frightening simply because he managed to harness the power of television early on. I just don't find it personally fruitful to be riled by his beliefs.

My attitude towards Falwell is the same attitude that I would have towards a figure like deceased Senator Strom Thurmond, the segregationist. The sting of their political views were of the recent past ; their attitudes were so antiquated for their later years of life. ... You just shake your head and move on..
 

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I don't think liberals hate Jerry Falwell just for being a bigot.

Invoking a fantasy about "liberals" avoids the question. The issue is whether you make public decisions, that affect all kinds of people across the spectrum, based on reality or fantasy.

The right wing in the US came to power because of their skill in avoiding reality on a whole series of issues. One of the best ways to do this is by personalizing things. The second is by creating a fantasy about "liberals" who are by definition much worse than even the worst right winger.

Again, that just avoids the question. If you love religion, or the US, you don't use it for your own gain. To see integrity in a patriot or in somebody who is religious, you simply look at their actions. It's not a question of integrity between what they think or believe and what they do. It is simply a question of what they do.

These so called "religious" people in the US have been encouragining americans to hate anybody who is not a white, straight, christian, "conservative." There is nothing religious or american about that.
 

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[Aside:I never, ever thought that I would defend a guy like Rev. Falwell ..:smile:]


What I'm ultimately trying to say is this:

You can reject Falwell's fundamentalism and his condemenation of homosexual activity, but I never had the impression that he was a hateful person. His worst character flaw was just being a self-righteous prick ...
 

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Not a moment too soon either . I have long despised him but never as much as when the homophobe blamed Homos. Pagans and Pro-choicers for the evils of 9/11 .
To call him a Christian is like calling Bush a Genius !!!

Can Jesus plz recall Robertson anytime soon ? and , well the list is longer than my cock so I will leave it at that LOL

ohhhhhhhh REV PHELPS and his whole clan can't forget them inbred fucks.


:banana:
HORSE
 

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One down one to go.
Im still praying for the death of Fred Phelps.
Thats "god hates fags" scum that pickets AIDS and out Iraqi was dead funerals.
Hmmm. It would be kinda fun if phred felps picketed jerry falwell's funeral... hmmm....
I don't know about his sincerity, I think he manipulated the ignorant into contributing by scaring them with hamasetls, power and wealth were his motivation. A very successfull professional phobe.

He will likely be re-encarnated as a slime mold.
Don't you DARE besmirch the slime molds! They are way cool.
 

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Hmmm. It would be kinda fun if phred felps picketed jerry falwell's funeral... hmmm....Don't you DARE besmirch the slime molds! They are way cool.[/quote

Perhaps an algae, the type that lives inside rocks in antarctica? His soul has a long journey to acheive viviparous biped again, probably take millenia.
 

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Perhaps an algae, the type that lives inside rocks in antarctica? His soul has a long journey to acheive viviparous biped again, probably take millenia.
Hahah, algae are good too. You first mentioned he would likely be reincarnated as a slime mold... perhaps a better way of phrasing it would be, "he was most likely the reincarnation of an expired Ebola virus - it was being punished for causing deaths."
 

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Falwell was grossly misguided......that's for certain....
and......
I had forgotten that he was behind the Bakers' demise.


I was surfing around on tv one time and stopped when I heard these people talking about pet loss.....
Then they started saying things like "It's not a human.....snap out of it...."....and other equally rude things.....

Attempting to belittle anyone who ever felt grief over the death of a pet.

I thought "Who the HELL are These people !....."

Then I realized, with disgust, that I was on the 700 Club channel.
Robertson wasn't there with them, or I'd have known to immediately change the channel.

I never had any use for their attitudes......and that was inexcusable.
 

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To be sure, there is nothing more dangerous than a man who thinks he speaks for God, whatever religion he is connected to. Organized religion seaks to completely control and the opium of their leaders are the flocks of mindless sheep hanging on their every word and doing their bidding, from hate to murder.

Falwell was a right, fucking asshole. A sorry toad of a man who seized on flash point issues such as agay rights and abortion to suck the willing faithful into building his church empire. Who he tread on to get there was of no consequence to his Christian conscience - as well as being honest and paying his bills, his university and church were just short of $100 million dollars in default on debts. So much for Christian principles!

Thank goodness at least in Europe we could watch this piece of shit from afar!