Jerry Falwell Dies

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Even as I'm typing this, I am aware of how many people are sitting there chomping at the bit to type out "Yeah, well you are too!!!!11!!!!!" because you really don't have the first fucking clue what I just said. Go sit in the corner.


Do I have to wear this stupid fucking dunce cap as well??
 

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I have never really understood why it's so awful to say negative things about someone who died. After all, he's dead. It's not as if he can hear you, or read your posts, and develop hurt feelings.

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Thats a big 10-4. We criticize and vilify dead people all the time, in order to point out their heinous deeds. Hitler is a good example. Should we not talk about Hitler's crimes against humanity because he is dead? If not, why is he an exception. Is there a threshold of heinousness before its acceptable to point out the destructive behavior of a person after he has died? I think not.

I hope Mr. Fallwell finally sees the light where he is now, but I will not hesitate to use him as an example of nasty people who organize large groups of people into a culture of hate and bigotry in the name of religion (or in the name of nationalism, etc.). The reason for doing so is to expose any such people as soon as possible and drag them into the light.

Christianity is not a call to be non-judgemental about the causes of misery, suffering and oppression in the world. In fact, a Christian should be compelled to call out all forms of oppression and social injustice. What we are not called to do is to judge someone's chances for salvation. So in that, I pray that Mr. Fallwell finds it and is bathed in the full light of God's Grace. In the meantime, we are recognize that the consequences of our being blessed by Grace is that we in turn must be a blessing to the world. Exposing bigots and hate mongers is part of being that kind of blessing.

This work is very important and is perhaps a sacred duty.
 

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Thats a big 10-4. We criticize and vilify dead people all the time, in order to point out their heinous deeds. Hitler is a good example. Should we not talk about Hitler's crimes against humanity because he is dead? If not, why is he an exception. Is there a threshold of heinousness before its acceptable to point out the destructive behavior of a person after he has died? I think not.
I couldn't agree with you more, so maybe we could be specific about what Falwell did that was heinous (as opposed to the generalized name calling that has been going on) which is that he mobilized large numbers of people using religious rhetoric in favor of political causes he favored, pretended that his business was religion instead of politics, and sought to disenfranchise decent, moral people who happened to read the Bible differently than he did. (He also sought to, and successfully did, finanically and politically take over liberal churches to attempt to keep those parishoners from practicing their religion in the way they saw fit.

What he did was no where near as evil as Hilter, or many contemporary leaders, but it was still about depriving ordinary, innocent people of their civil rights. We can, and should, condemn those actions.
 

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Mr. Falwell still sticking to his guns just last week on the subject of gays and lesbians and liberals being the cause of 9/11. While he was at it, he managed to also reveal his Christian Dominionist notions of the USA being founded on Judeo-Christian ethics. I wonder if he means hate mongering, too.
 

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Mr. Falwell still sticking to his guns just last week on the subject of gays and lesbians and liberals being the cause of 9/11. While he was at it, he managed to also reveal his Christian Dominionist notions of the USA being founded on Judeo-Christian ethics. I wonder if he means hate mongering, too.[/quote]
Why of course. God hates fags.:eek: Didn't you know that? God hates all people who hate America.:eek: Get with the program here.:eek:
 

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Mr. Falwell still sticking to his guns just last week on the subject of gays and lesbians and liberals being the cause of 9/11. While he was at it, he managed to also reveal his Christian Dominionist notions of the USA being founded on Judeo-Christian ethics. I wonder if he means hate mongering, too.


Pooh, only an hour old and the link's broken already.:confused:

I sure am glad liberals have finally taken their place on the stage next to kweers. Oh that's right- liberals have freedom, and as everybody knows, "THEY hate us for our FREEEEEEEEDUM!!"
 

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Wow! Powerful thread. Madame Zora, I bow to you as my newfound goddess. You speak truthfully from you heart and from a more worldly view. I now must begin searching back for more of your posts.

For those who are striving to stick to the tenets of their beliefs, bravo. Please don't lose sight of the importance of thinking for yourself. Christianity is rife with problems. I tire of the rhetoric that this country was founded on Judao-Christian beliefs. That is 100% bullshit. Many of the original European conquerors (yes we stole this land from its original owners) that fled Europe did so to flee religious persecution. Amazing how we have managed as a country to make a complete 180 on that front. For the record, many of the founding fathers of this country, where not necessarily Christian. If you look at the signers of the Declaration of Independence, a good many were Diasts. A religion that believed in both a higher power and science.

For those of you who take the Bible to be literal truth, I challenge you to take a long, hard look at this idea. The Bible that most "Christian" churches in this country use is either the King James Bible or a version thereof. This is a translation of a Bible that was written in Greek, which was a translation of the original writtings in Aramaic. If you honestly believe for one moment that there were no errors in the multiple translations and no politics involved in how the translation was created, you are seriously deluding yourself. I honestly believe that the Bible is a series of parables and stories to teach a message, not a literal record of every major moment in Christian religious history. To use the Bible as a literal tool and weapon of choice to promote hate and biggotry is nothing short of a colossal tragedy. People readily accept that the words in the Bible are the direct words of God, Christ, and his disciples. I challenge you to honestly tell me that if someone walked in off the street and proclaimed God had spoken to them directly to provide a new gospel for the Bible, that you would think them anything more than crazy - yet you blindly accept what is written in the Bible.

I am not an atheist. I do believe in a higher power. I honestly question my belief that Christ was the son of God at times. I was rased in the Roman Catholic church ( the oldest of all Christian churches). All this said, I reached a point in my life where I recognized the true purpose of any organized religion (Christian or otherwise - and no, Buddism is not a religion, it is a philosophy) was nothing more than a means to control the masses.

The church is the construct of political powers and nothing else. I challenge you to read up on the Gospel of Thomas, which the Vatican and other Christian churches have deemed to be blasphemy. Funny, since the Gospel of Thomas was found with (or near - can't remember) the Dead Sea scrolls and is written in Aramaic, the language of Christ. Why is it banned, because one of its most famous lines is a quote from Christ. "My Church is not built of brick or stone. Lift a rock and you will find me." To allow this to be belived by modern Christians would be to destroy the power of the church.

Free yourselves of the power constructs of groups of a few powerful people and start to think for yourself. If you believe that God exists, whether or not you believe Christ was the son of God or simply another prophet, all you need to commune with God is a quiet space and your belief. You do not need an interpretor to tell you what you should believe.

Now back on topic. Individuals like Falwell are not representitives of God, Christ or anyone but themselves. To warp the beliefs of the masses to promote hate is unacceptable. Is it wrong for us to hate him and celebrate his death, no. There was nothing in his life that earns him respect in death. Having hate for another is a natural human emotion. The only way to heal from damage done to you by another is to recognize the hate, speak your mind, and get rid of the pent-up feelings you have. It is only through this process that the individual can begin to heal.
 

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I don't much like criticizing the dead and I feel bad for his family and all but I was reading up on Christopher Hitchens and encountered a quote that cracked me up. I couldn't resist sharing.

"If you give Falwell an enema you could bury him in a matchbox."

Sorry about dragging up an old thread.