Jesus isnt the Messiah

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I dont have anything against Jesus but most christians dont understand why the jews dont believe he is the messiah. That is reason why jews were so hated by many christians .

Puuuuuuleeeez!

You're a coward. You've been busted. You act like a fucking crybaby when people are angry with you and pretend to be innocent. However, your HAVE presented opinion as fact and YOU ARE fully aware you did so. You multi-lingual abilities do not shield you from every aspect of syntax because fact and opinion are fact and opinion in every language.

You want to explore new ideas? Give me a break! We're not stupid! We can read English even when it is written poorly, and we know you've ommitted the most important thing if you had actually been interested in interesting and illuminating debate: you would have shared information. You have not shared any resources or literature which helped you ot draw your conclusions. You've shared only conclusions, and KNOWINGLY presented them as irrefutable fact.

What crap! You then get defensive when people call you on your bullshit. Either present some information, or shut the fuck up. I believe you could start some really interesting conversations if you really wanted. I just doubt you really want to.
 

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OK, for starters, don't jump all over the OP for posting things that don't pertain to large penises. If you must get on him, get on him about what is really the issue.

Tallbig, I am as accepting as the next guy of free expression, but all these religion bashing threads do tend to get a bit tiresome as a great number of members here don't condone and really do not need to have religion constantly thrown at them. Those of us that do believe in religion are capable of speaking about it and do, but it is starting to seem like we have to defend our belief. This post especially can be construed as offensive as it isn't asking an opinion or view but seems to state a very strong opinion.

I still think you are a good contributor tallbig, but isn't there something else you can talk about other than your dislike of organized religion and your need to disporve it to all of us?

My advice would be to back off the religion threads for a while and talk about some other things. It may make things a little less tense on the boards.
 

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Puuuuuuleeeez!

You're a coward. You've been busted. You act like a fucking crybaby when people are angry with you and pretend to be innocent. However, your HAVE presented opinion as fact and YOU ARE fully aware you did so. You multi-lingual abilities do not shield you from every aspect of syntax because fact and opinion are fact and opinion in every language.

You want to explore new ideas? Give me a break! We're not stupid! We can read English even when it is written poorly, and we know you've ommitted the most important thing if you had actually been interested in interesting and illuminating debate: you would have shared information. You have not shared any resources or literature which helped you ot draw your conclusions. You've shared only conclusions, and KNOWINGLY presented them as irrefutable fact.

What crap! You then get defensive when people call you on your bullshit. Either present some information, or shut the fuck up. I believe you could start some really interesting conversations if you really wanted. I just doubt you really want to.
You want information ? i will list now the several reasons .

Jews dont accept that Jesus is the Messiah because:

1. Jesus did not fullfield the messianic prophecies.

2. Jesus dont enbodied the personal qualifications of the Messiah.

3. Biblical verses of Jesus are based are mistranslations.

4. Jewish belief is based in national revelation.



Jesus not fullfill the messianic prophesies:

1 . He dont build the third temple.( Ezekiel 37:26-28)

2. He dont gather all jews to the land of israel.( Isaiah 43:5-6)

3. He dont usher an era of world peace ( end hatred . oppresion ,suffering and disease. " Nation shall not lift up sword against nation , neither man shall learn war not more . (Isaiah 2: 4)

4. He dont will spread universal knowledge of the God of Israel , which unite humanity as one ( Zechariah 14: 9 ).

Christians counter that Jesus will fulfill these in the second coming, but jewish sources show that the Messiah will fullfill the prophesies out right ; in the bible not concept of a second coming exists.


Jesus wasnt a prophet : The messiah will be the second prophet in history second only to Moses. Phophesy can only exists in Israel when the land is inhabited by a mayority Jewry, a situation not existed since 300 BCE.
During the time of Ezra , when the mayority of Jews refused to move to Babylon to Israel , prophesy ended with the death of the last prophets
Haggai , Zecharaiah , Malachi .


Jesus dont descend from David .

According to jewish sources the Messiah will be born of human parents and will posses normal physical attributes like other people. He will not be a demi- god nor will posses super natural abilities . The Messiah must descend from the father side from the King David .According to christian claim Jesus was product of a virgin birth , he had not father and thus could not fullfield the requirement of being descend of the father side from the Kind David.

There isnt biblical basis for the idea of the father passing his tribal line by adoption .A priest that adopts a son from another tribe cant make him a priest by adoption . Joseph could never pass on by adoption that which he doesnt have because Joseph was descended from Jeconiah ( Matthew 1 : 11)


Iam not a coward like you said i face the responses of members here being either positive or negative. If any one want to read more about this check out judaism websites in the messiah section is explained with more detail than that.
 

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on my way into Camden town i go past the 'JEWS FOR JESUS" building and it gives me a warm feeling....if they'd open up a 'CHRISTIANS FOR ISLAM' next door life would be peachy.

I don't really believe in god, but I'm sure jesus was a lovely chap, regardless of who his genetic father was.

why, did he have a really big dick? anyone got any pics?
 

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I dont get offended when people think differently than me. Normally, I don't either; but your posts tend not to state opinions or facts. Just erroneous thoughts.

How do you know that many people here have far much knowledge than i have? Because in the ranks of our membership we have pastors, reverends, priests, former priests, lay leaders, Sunday school teachers and some students of theology and divinity. Judging by your questions I'd say anyone of those people knows more about religion than you do. Indeed some people will have more knowledge than me because i dont know everything , in fact iam searching for answers. I did pick up on that, hence my suggesting you check out beliefnet.com.

If you assume that iam a idiot or something because my spelling ,English isnt my first language . You dont know me to make conclusions of my level of ignorance. I accept that iam a ignorant person . We all are . Nobody have all the answers.
Did say I you were ignorant? I thought I just said you were annoying. :biggrin1:
 

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I dont get offended when people think differently than me. Normally, I don't either; but your posts tend not to state opinions or facts. Just erroneous thoughts.
Did say I you were ignorant? I thought I just said you were annoying. :biggrin1:

Erroneus thoughts why? because dont fit with what most people here believe ? Those people you mentioned ministers , priests ects are ignorant as iam . If you ask them life questions , the why of things , none of them will give you real answers.
 

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I always thought it was strange that the Jewish people do not accept Christ as the Messiah, but still expect one to show up.

I also think it is strange for a Christian to hate a Jew since Jesus was one.
 

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Some people already stated that .:biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:

Most people here can not handle a challenge to their faith .

You are still missing the point. Your other posts elicited thought and conversation, but as NJQT has said, this was not a post worded that way and it sounds like a blatant attack. Just as I defended your right to ask questions, I am going to defend the right of those who feel attacked to strike back when their faith is attacked.

I will say this, I am a bit taken aback with your tone in this thread and hence why I cannot support you on this one. I am well aware of the Jewish belief and I have numerous Jewish friends. The thing is you still seem to be hellbent on making an issue out of faith or the none existence of said. You are posting way too much about faith and it is appearing now that you are the one who is feeling attacked or not heard.

The sad part is, I think you are an intelligent, thoughtful person, the tact you are displaying in this post would tell someone otherwise.
 

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I'm with the lovely NJQT on this, TallBig, you really are quite annoying, and all this religious stuff is like badger baiting, cruel, pointless and just gets people all upset.

why can't you just be like everyone else and take pictures of your dick and show them off to everyone...

I'm sure people would like you better that way, and you wouldn't have to do nearly as much typing
 

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You are still missing the point. Your other posts elicited thought and conversation, but as NJQT has said, this was not a post worded that way and it sounds like a blatant attack. Just as I defended your right to ask questions, I am going to defend the right of those who feel attacked to strike back when their faith is attacked.

I will say this, I am a bit taken aback with your tone in this thread and hence why I cannot support you on this one. I am well aware of the Jewish belief and I have numerous Jewish friends. The thing is you still seem to be hellbent on making an issue out of faith or the none existence of said. You are posting way too much about faith and it is appearing now that you are the one who is feeling attacked or not heard.

The sad part is, I think you are an intelligent, thoughtful person, the tact you are displaying in this post would tell someone otherwise.


Ok i will not create more religions threads . I only say that i understand why the jews not believe in Jesus . He dont fullfill the messianic traits and because of that people here get upset :confused::confused::confused:
 

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It's a fair point Geordie, and more blood has been shed in god's name than anyone else's. it's all about context.... having a discussion about theology can be very interesting, but LPSG is just a silly place to start it and i think that's why people get so annoyed with BigTall, because, whatever your religion that's probably not the reason you signed up to this site.




(PS have i told you lately how lovely you're penis is looking?)
 

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I know how he feels though


last year I was really annoyed with religion and would find any opportunity to argue about it, I hurt peoples feeling though and that's when I stopped

I would show some sympathy, but I have been more than respectful on these issues and now I am startuing to feel disrespected for my views and beliefs and that is wrong. Just as I respect and defend a person's right to not practice or believe, I also expect the same decency and respect from those I respect on their feelings and belief.

You show me someone on here who goes out of their way to throw out "Praise Jesus" on this forum and I'll back off, but no one here does. I can name several members who do believe, have faith, and do NOT force it down anyone's throat.

Tallbig, if you truly want to be heard. Respect and kindness will do you better down this path than piss and vinegar.
 

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It's a fair point Geordie, and more blood has been shed in god's name than anyone else's. it's all about context.... having a discussion about theology can be very interesting, but LPSG is just a silly place to start it and i think that's why people get so annoyed with BigTall, because, whatever your religion that's probably not the reason you signed up to this site.




(PS have i told you lately how lovely you're penis is looking?)
Iam agnostic i dont have a religion. I accept if iam wrong as fast anyone prove me wrong. I dont have that issues.