Jimmy Carter Leaves Church Over Treatment of Women

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Jimmy Carter Leaves Church Over Treatment of Women

After more than 60 years together, Jimmy Carter has announced himself at odds with the Southern Baptist Church -- and he's decided it's time they go their separate ways. Via Feministing, the former president called the decision "unavoidable" after church leaders prohibited women from being ordained and insisted women be "subservient to their husbands." Said Carter in an essay in The Age:
At its most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.
And, later:
The truth is that male religious leaders have had -- and still have -- an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world.

I thought he had left the Southern Baptist Church in the 70's because of their mistreatment of blacks? :confused: Good for him for finally speaking up for what he believes in and hopefully putting his money where his mouth is. By that I mean, I hope he isn't just not attending church; but that he stops titheing as well. That will make the church take notice.

 

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I thought he had left the Southern Baptist Church in the 70's because of their mistreatment of blacks? :confused: Good for him for finally speaking up for what he believes in and hopefully putting his money where his mouth is. By that I mean, I hope he isn't just not attending church; but that he stops titheing as well. That will make the church take notice.
Well now, if Carter did supposedly exit from the SBC back in the 70s; then, what is to stop him from doing a backturn on this run?

Thank you for the adorable pic; it's a little dated but it is one of the coffin nails of Carter.

Ahem![/QUOTE] And your point would be what exactly? That pic looks kinda old dude, like maybe from when he was President.

It is a nice change isn't it. :cool:
A)Do your research dear. Yesterday you erred on an assessment of Lynn Samuels and now this. Here's more on the truth of Carter-he's a money mongerer:
Norman G. Finkelstein » Did Jimmy Carter Sleep with his poodle? (hey, I didn't create the title).

Make note of this tidbit (found in the article I am supplying; also found elsewhere, factual and true). Especially lucrative have been Carter’s ties to Saudi Arabia. Before his death in 2005, King Fahd was a longtime contributor to the Carter Center and on more than one occasion contributed million-dollar donations. In 1993 alone, the king presented Carter with a gift of $7.6 million. And the king was not the only Saudi royal to commit funds to Carter’s cause. As of 2005, the king’s high-living nephew, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, has donated at least $5 million to the Carter Center.

Meanwhile the Saudi Fund for Development, the kingdom’s leading loan organization, turns up repeatedly on the center’s list of supporters. Carter has also found moneyed allies in the Bin Laden family, and in 2000 he secured a promise from ten of Osama bin Laden’s brothers for a $1 million contribution to his center. To be sure, there is no evidence that the Bin Ladens maintain any contact with their terrorist relation. But applying Carter’s own standard, his extensive contacts with the Saudi elite must make his views on the Middle East suspect.


In other words, I trust nothing out of Carter not even his latest crap, he's a liar of extraordinairy proportion if there's some sort of personal payoff for him (and often a cash payoff as well).
 

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Jimmy Carter Leaves Church Over Treatment of Women


I thought he had left the Southern Baptist Church in the 70's because of their mistreatment of blacks? :confused: Good for him for finally speaking up for what he believes in and hopefully putting his money where his mouth is. By that I mean, I hope he isn't just not attending church; but that he stops titheing as well. That will make the church take notice.


he'll leave the Southern Baptist Church in 2020's for thier mistreatment of Latinos to so be ready
 

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He just freaking realized this?

well the Left is a little slow at registering what's being said in Church
it didn't occur to Carter for several decades that women couldn't be Ministers in his faith, and Barack Obama didn't hear his Preacher screaming death to America for several months or years so...

I'm not exactly sure what Dems do when they go to Church but it is clear that they are not listening
 

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Carter-he's a money mongerer:
Norman G. Finkelstein » Did Jimmy Carter Sleep with his poodle? (hey, I didn't create the title).

Make note of this tidbit (found in the article I am supplying; also found elsewhere, factual and true). Especially lucrative have been Carter’s ties to Saudi Arabia. Before his death in 2005, King Fahd was a longtime contributor to the Carter Center and on more than one occasion contributed million-dollar donations. In 1993 alone, the king presented Carter with a gift of $7.6 million. And the king was not the only Saudi royal to commit funds to Carter’s cause. As of 2005, the king’s high-living nephew, Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal, has donated at least $5 million to the Carter Center.

Meanwhile the Saudi Fund for Development, the kingdom’s leading loan organization, turns up repeatedly on the center’s list of supporters. Carter has also found moneyed allies in the Bin Laden family, and in 2000 he secured a promise from ten of Osama bin Laden’s brothers for a $1 million contribution to his center. To be sure, there is no evidence that the Bin Ladens maintain any contact with their terrorist relation. But applying Carter’s own standard, his extensive contacts with the Saudi elite must make his views on the Middle East suspect.

In other words, I trust nothing out of Carter not even his latest crap, he's a liar of extraordinairy proportion if there's some sort of personal payoff for him (and often a cash payoff as well).

I thought it was kinda obvious the Saudis are one of Carter's (and other ex-presidents) biggest supporters. I understand that the President has to meet and respectfully greet disagreeable people as part of his job as Head of State. Out of office though, it's a different story and Carter has maintained close ties to the Saudis since he left office. I find his reasoning for leaving the church hypocritical.
 
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I thought it was kinda obvious the Saudis are one of Carter's (and other ex-presidents) biggest supporters. I understand that the President has to meet and respectfully greet disagreeable people as part of his job as Head of State. Out of office though, it's a different story and Carter has maintained close ties to the Saudis since he left office. I find his reasoning for leaving the church hypocritical.

Now Jason, that's a strong use of the word hypocritical. For one, we don't have access to Carter's friends list. It seems he is well thought of as a humanitarian, how else can he be a positive influence elsewhere in the world?

So he is friends with folks that have opposing views, it would not be the first time this has happened. I would like to think that not all Saudis are the same, just as not all Americans are the stereotypical people folks in other countries make us out to be.

I don't see it has hypocritical at all. If I am wrong here, I am wrong.
 

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Jason, I can not agree.
Carter has no ground on which to condemn OTHER culture's religious beliefs, because he does not believe in them.
By being Christian, alone, he is taking a stand against the teachings of Islam, Judaism, etc.

This is Him announcing that the belief HE underwrote for most of his life is no longer a belief system he can support nor credit.
That is entirely personal and separate from his actions or positions on matters geopolitical.


Beyond that... It is high time more americans saw the light and stepped out from under the shadow of religious delusion and into the clear light of reason.

Give up the imaginary friend altogether, grow up, and take on reality and the plain fact that if you want a heaven, you had damn well make one HERE... cause all that waits beyond is what you knew before birth... nothing.
 

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I'm not saying Carter isn't a fine humanitarian or whatever. I am saying he's a hypocrite on this issue. If he's concerned about the rights of women and feels the Southern Baptist Convention violates those rights and believes he must dissociate himself from them, then how can he tolerate associating with the Saudis who run one of the most female-repressive regimes in the world? The Saudis make the Baptists look like a bunch of Gloria Steinems.

He broke ties with his church over this. Why wouldn't he break ties with others who do the same and much worse if the rights of women were truly paramount in his mind? Perhaps he has and just not announced it? I don't think Carter is a bad man and he has done good things for this and other countries since leaving office. On this issue however, I don't think he quite sees the hypocrisy of his actions.
 

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What exactly did he say? How close are his ties to the Saudis? Is it a case of moral relativism? There's plenty to argue about with regards to the behavior of the Southern Baptists, just ask a Northern Baptist.
 

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I'm not saying Carter isn't a fine humanitarian or whatever. I am saying he's a hypocrite on this issue. If he's concerned about the rights of women and feels the Southern Baptist Convention violates those rights and believes he must dissociate himself from them, then how can he tolerate associating with the Saudis who run one of the most female-repressive regimes in the world? The Saudis make the Baptists look like a bunch of Gloria Steinems.

He broke ties with his church over this. Why wouldn't he break ties with others who do the same and much worse if the rights of women were truly paramount in his mind? Perhaps he has and just not announced it? I don't think Carter is a bad man and he has done good things for this and other countries since leaving office. On this issue however, I don't think he quite sees the hypocrisy of his actions.


I completely agree with you..........

The real problem with some liberals is

it's sometime highly critical on Christianity but mostly silent on other faiths and I even disgust on their ignorant on Islam far worse offenses.

Political correctness at its finest, I would say.