Jiu Jitsu / Jujutsu / MMA

[tripod]

... just because one from doesn't look/operate in your own "artsy" fashion, means it's not an "art" to you. That's just like me saying that country isn't music because I don't like it.

You don't know what the term artistic integrity means obviously.

This is a ten gallon topic and your mind only holds 7 gallons. It's okay, to be of average intelligence, I don't blame you newbie.

You think that you can waltz on in here with your piddly ass 61 posts and go toe to toe with a veteran like me intellectually? Don't be pissed that you got repeatedly pwned...

Care to debate the merits of artistic integrity as it applies to fighting styles?

Oh that's right, you don't know what the fuck I am talking about. lol!

Go back to your room Sparky.

 

[ShowOff]

Personally I would rather have a polite newbie of average intelligence on this site than an old school genius who insults people.

This is a ten gallon topic and your mind only holds 7 gallons. It's okay, to be of average intelligence, I don't blame you newbie.

You think that you can waltz on in here with your piddly ass 61 posts and go toe to toe with a veteran like me intellectually? Don't be pissed that you got repeatedly pwned...

Care to debate the merits of artistic integrity as it applies to fighting styles?

Oh that's right, you don't know what the fuck I am talking about. lol!

Go back to your room Sparky.

 

[Remington]

You don't know what the term artistic integrity means obviously.

This is a ten gallon topic and your mind only holds 7 gallons. It's okay, to be of average intelligence, I don't blame you newbie.

You think that you can waltz on in here with your piddly ass 61 posts and go toe to toe with a veteran like me intellectually? Don't be pissed that you got repeatedly pwned...

Care to debate the merits of artistic integrity as it applies to fighting styles?

Oh that's right, you don't know what the fuck I am talking about. lol!

Go back to your room Sparky.

That's your response? Insults and chatting about post counts? And how you pwned me with your opinion and not a single fact?



Shiver my fucking timbers, you're ignorant and arrogant.

This "newbie" doesn't need to lower one's self by insulting the other person. Most people of "average intelligence" don't need to do this. And just because you have ~3000 posts, on a damn penis forum, doesn't mean that you're more intelligent than anyone else here. Especially on something that doesn't involve dicks.

Text book definition of a martial art.

"Martial arts are systems of codified practices and traditions of combat. Martial arts all have similar objectives: to physically defeat other persons or defend oneself or others from physical threat."

That means, that even a form of weaponized tap-dancing could be considered a martial art.

Simply put, your opinion of what a martial art is, is just that, an opinion. Not fact.

Your opinion does not equal law.

I'll say it again, just because you don't find your own closed-minded view of "artistic integrity" in a form, does not mean it's not a martial art.

But, I think it'll take a Muay Thai knee to your skull to open your fossilized mind up.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

If you don't understand the difference between Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, then you my friend are the one who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. You thought you would show me a link for Japanese Jiu Jitsu and that would shut me up? Are you fucking kidding me?

If you guys don't understand what I mean by artistic integrity then STFU and sit this one out.

This is a ten gallon topic and your mind only holds 7 gallons. It's okay, to be of average intelligence, I don't blame you newbie.

You think that you can waltz on in here with your piddly ass 61 posts and go toe to toe with a veteran like me intellectually? Don't be pissed that you got repeatedly pwned...

Care to debate the merits of artistic integrity as it applies to fighting styles?

Oh that's right, you don't know what the fuck I am talking about. lol!

Go back to your room Sparky.

Words from The Master.

 

[424365]

Sinking to insulting the intelligence of your peers shows just how crude you are. Integrity is not found in art. It is found in the body and mind of the practitioner. I shall no longer offer any words to you Tripod as it's obvious you will not be swayed or show any respect to the thoughts of others.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

Sinking to insulting the intelligence of your peers shows just how crude you are. Integrity is not found in art. It is found in the body and mind of the practitioner. I shall no longer offer any words to you Tripod as it's obvious you will not be swayed or show any respect to the thoughts of others.

Don't underestimate Tripod.
He's just having a few owly days.
The pussycat will re-emerge.
Also: I think you can refer to 'integrity' being more or less inherent in various forms of art ... depending on how it calls out that quality from the practitioner; some will do so more reliably than others, imo. But I have no dawg in this fight.

 

[424365]

Don't underestimate Tripod.
He's just having a few owly days.
The pussycat will re-emerge.
Also: I think you can refer to 'integrity' being more or less inherent in various forms of art ... depending on how it calls out that quality from the practitioner; some will do so more reliably than others, imo. But I have no dawg in this fight.

I will meditate on your advie only because I very much like the word owly :wink:

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

I will meditate on your advice only because I very much like the word owly :wink:

Captures something, doesn't it?
Cheers.

 

[D_Tim McGnaw]

You don't know what the term artistic integrity means obviously.

This is a ten gallon topic and your mind only holds 7 gallons. It's okay, to be of average intelligence, I don't blame you newbie.

You think that you can waltz on in here with your piddly ass 61 posts and go toe to toe with a veteran like me intellectually? Don't be pissed that you got repeatedly pwned...

Care to debate the merits of artistic integrity as it applies to fighting styles?

Oh that's right, you don't know what the fuck I am talking about. lol!

Go back to your room Sparky.

Seriously Tripod, this made me nearly squirt tea out of mouth all over my keyboard. You're trying to intimidate someone with your enormous post count on a big cock website? :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:

 

[conchis]

karate since I was a kid. and ju jitsu

 

[tripod]

Seriously Tripod, this made me nearly squirt tea out of mouth all over my keyboard. You're trying to intimidate someone with your enormous post count on a bid cock website? :biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1::biggrin1:

It has nothing to do with intimidation but the frustration of having newbies strut straight into a thread like they fucking own the place and then spew their uninformed drivel all over thinking that they are "doing something".

Don't sell Rob E. short Hilare, this is much more than a big cock site and you know it.

Sorry about your keyboard.

 

[Cant_Stop]

It has nothing to do with intimidation but the frustration of having newbies strut straight into a thread like they fucking own the place and then spew their uninformed drivel all over thinking that they are "doing something".

Don't sell Rob E. short Hilare, this is much more than a big cock site and you know it.

Sorry about your keyboard.

Dude, who the fuck cares if someone is new to the site and talks back to you. You are not the frat president and they are your pledges. I have been here for 2 years and my post count is pretty low. Because I like to go and do things, you know outside of teh interwebz. Just deal with people telling you that you're wrong.


Also, I did muay thai for 6 years and currently practicing krav maga. And krav maga is known for hurting and taking an opponent out as quickly as possible. Sorry if you do not think it is art or skill but it is designed for more real world situations by the israeli special forces. Try bringing kung fu to a real combat situation.

 

[vince]

Go practice staring at goats.

 

[iian1972]

For someone thats talks arts and control Tripod and the ancient arts, you have no idea, you seem a very angry little man. And well done with your 1000sss of posts.........should we bow. And to be honest my spelling is shit and most of the time my typing too. But go through some of your posts wordsworth. And if you made that sketch look at it from time to time............ Smile.

 

[tripod]

Also, I did muay thai for 6 years and currently practicing krav maga. And krav maga is known for hurting and taking an opponent out as quickly as possible. Sorry if you do not think it is art or skill but it is designed for more real world situations by the israeli special forces. Try bringing kung fu to a real combat situation.

Why would I think that Krav Maga or Muay Thai isn't a skill? Those are AMAZING combat systems capable of intense real world applications.

I was just debating the word "art". If you followed my posts and actually read them, you might understand that. I'm not bashing any martial art as being better than another. I'm simply saying that Kung Fu is a real art and many of the other fighting systems are just elaborate memorized skillsets.

I was a bouncer for 6 years and I used what I learned in Kung Fu many times. It saved me from getting my ass kicked repeatedly.

And I did it all with style and class and a minimum of inflicting pain on the aggressors. I was popular with the people as a result and had a nice six year run at the same bar, which is muuuuch longer than the average "bouncer residency".

For someone thats talks arts and control Tripod and the ancient arts, you have no idea, you seem a very angry little man.

Ooohhh!!!!!!! You called me an angry little man. lol! Congratulations, you're a complete tool.

And well done with your 1000sss of posts.........should we bow. And to be honest my spelling is shit and most of the time my typing too. But go through some of your posts wordsworth. And if you made that sketch look at it from time to time............ Smile.

I have spent the majority of my posts successfully putting idiots in their place and defending myself against multiple assailants at a time like I am doing in this thread. This is not the only place that I do so on the internet and I have always been a spirited debater in my non-cyber life. I can go toe to toe with the best of them.

That's what I was really trying to say. But I'll rephrase it for ya:

"Hey, rattle my cage if you want, it's a free country but don't be upset when you pull back a nub."

 

[RawDog]

I was told about this thread and right off the bat I wondered how long it would take to get to the nonsensical, "My kung fu's better than your kung fu" shit I've heard over and over again.

<sigh>

Seven posts? It took seven posts?

As a friend once said, "The passions run so high because the stakes are so low." Sad to see that applies here. No suprise, still disappointed.

 

[RawDog]

Tripod PMed me a couple of hours ago with this:

So you are accusing me of saying that my Kung Fu is better than another fighting style? You're fucking wrong as hell. I was questioning the presence of "artistic integrity" in the various fighting styles specifically the one mentioned (BJJ).

I see that you didn't have the balls to quote me or try and refute any of my arguments but just tried to elevate yourself by seeming to be above it all.

Why don't you show me the artistic integrity found in BJJ as opposed to the artistic integrity found in Kung Fu? I'd be curious to read what your all encompassing mind will come up with.

"Kung Fu" in Chinese (Mandarin?) translates to "obtained skill" in your native tongue. You're arguing to a useless point. There is no art. The term "Martial Arts" is a Western term, of which holds no water to begin with. Traditional "martial arts" has no self expression, therefore cannot be termed as art to begin with.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

"Kung Fu" in Chinese (Mandarin?) translates to "obtained skill" in your native tongue. You're arguing to a useless point. There is no art. The term "Martial Arts" is a Western term, of which holds no water to begin with. Traditional "martial arts" has no self expression, therefore cannot be termed as art to begin with.

You mean no self-expression because, ideally, no ego?
I think you could still use the term 'art,' which can have very broad application.
Grace and economy and elegance of movement could all express a kind of art.
And there could be an art, rather broadly speaking, in learning to deliver blows and take opponents down with a kind of inner cleanliness, no?
My .02, anyway.

As for tripod, he's funny sometimes ... he can obviously have some sense of what he's talking about, and yet, in his manner, create an impression that his head is stuck up his ass.
Which at least implies flexibility ... you have to admit that.

 

[RawDog]

You mean no self-expression because, ideally, no ego?
I think you could still use the term 'art,' which can have very broad application.
Grace and economy and elegance of movement could all express a kind of art.

In a way the term "art" is what is at question here. I believe my definition of "art" is the pursuit of truth, my own truth, and the expression thereof. If the dogma of the style dictates the truth, it isn''t mine, it's someone else's truth.

The grace and economy and elegance of movement does expresess truth, but someone else's (I love that by the way, very well put). It's the founder's truth. It should be up to me to dictate what my truth is. I'm 6'-6" and my knees aren't what they used to be. At 45 years of age and having experienced 20 years of "martial arts" from Malaysian Pentjak Silat to Muay Thai to Greco-Roman wresting and French Savate, I think I may have a slight bit of knowledge to realize what my truth is.

And there could be an art, rather broadly speaking, in learning to deliver blows and take opponents down with a kind of inner cleanliness, no?

Again, eloquent, but I believe the word "art" is the question. I believe there is calmness, tranquility, peace of mind, confidence, discipline, control, and to a certain degree trust. But I believe there is no art in tracing somebody else's work.

There is training, learning, experience, feeling, understanding, and ultimately incorporating all of that into your own personal expression to build on what has come before. You take what someone else "perfected" in a sense and you add to it. When you write something, you don't recreate the alphabet or the words, you build on it.

As for tripod, he's funny sometimes ... he can obviously have some sense of what he's talking about, and yet, in his manner, create an impression that his head is stuck up his ass.
Which at least implies flexibility ... you have to admit that.

I think it's wonderful that he has enough flexibility that he can shove his head up his own ass. But I do believe it's useful only if he has enough wiggle room to get his shoulders loose. Other than that, it's just funny.

 

[D_Gunther Snotpole]

In a way the term "art" is what is at question here. I believe my definition of "art" is the pursuit of truth, my own truth, and the expression thereof. If the dogma of the style dictates the truth, it isn''t mine, it's someone else's truth.

The grace and economy and elegance of movement does expresess truth, but someone else's (I love that by the way, very well put). It's the founder's truth. It should be up to me to dictate what my truth is. I'm 6'-6" and my knees aren't what they used to be. At 45 years of age and having experienced 20 years of "martial arts" from Malaysian Pentjak Silat to Muay Thai to Greco-Roman wresting and French Savate, I think I may have a slight bit of knowledge to realize what my truth is.



Again, eloquent, but I believe the word "art" is the question. I believe there is calmness, tranquility, peace of mind, confidence, discipline, control, and to a certain degree trust. But I believe there is no art in tracing somebody else's work.

There is training, learning, experience, feeling, understanding, and ultimately incorporating all of that into your own personal expression to build on what has come before. You take what someone else "perfected" in a sense and you add to it. When you write something, you don't recreate the alphabet or the words, you build on it.



I think it's wonderful that he has enough flexibility that he can shove his head up his own ass. But I do believe it's useful only if he has enough wiggle room to get his shoulders loose. Other than that, it's just funny.

Art is certainly the term at question.
I am saying that virtually any activity could be done with a greater or lesser degree of art ... and you affirm a number of times that you see no art in the martial arts.
We only speak past each other here.

I don't understand why "the grace and economy and elegance of movement" expresses "someone else's truth." Why? Need that be so?

I don't know what you mean when you say, "I believe there is calmness, tranquility, peace of mind, confidence, discipline, control, and to a certain degree trust. But I believe there is no art in tracing somebody else's work."

The second sentence is particularly opaque to me.

What you seem to appreciate is the journey into mastery. In shaping a life beautifully, it is a kind of art.

If your 20 years of learning various traditions gives a slight edge of knowledge in realizing what your truth is -- I want to know when the truth became personal. (I know this sounds like a silly question.)

Don't worry -- the tripodian shoulders lack nothing for wiggle room.