Jk Rowling

[cherryboom66]

Criticism is fair. Persecution is not. I do stick up for trans people when they are persecuted.

JK did, so....

 

[keenobserver]

I don't approve of cancel culture whoever does it, frankly. I think it stinks. I've told you, I'm not specifically a Trump supporter. To reference Mein Kampf in relation to JK Rowling is inappropriate. Trump has some far right dog whistles and tendencies, no doubt. But Rowling is undubitably left wing. But because she doesn't tow the line on one issue, she is attacked viciously and voceiferously by pitchfork wielding mindless twitter mobs.

I did not mention Mein Kampf in relation to Rowling. I pointed out that a current president liking 'the good stories' does not make it movie of the week material. Left wing or right wing is largely irrelevant. A person who says things others find toxic will likely in a free society par an economic price for those things. Agree with them or not, that is reality. I did not hear you defending athletes who were at risk of losing their jobs for kneeling, I mentioned one who was blacklisted for his views - at the behest of the president. The right is only concerned when they agree with the person who took a right wing position.

 

[seventiesdemon]

Can you advise why you feel all trans people will align within any political party?

Because you mentioned it was a political forum. Obviously. it is, but we were having a pretty good discussion without the need for the introduction of another poster stating the argument "left and right" into the discussion.

Then you mentioned it is a political forum, did you not? Trans people identify with their own individual, emotional and experiences, irrespective of political persuasion. I was not the one who introduced 'left and right' or political persuasion into the discussion.

I'm all for individual choices and opinion, I will support anyone who chooses to make a decision beneficial for their own happiness and life. I am not one to generalise or pigeon hole, judge another because their view may not agree with my view. As I have stated I will oppose radical views who wish me to conform to their view, and theirs alone.

I at times can be a devils advocate, in doing this I discover there are some that are unwilling to meet and discuss, instead refer to intimidation, humiliation, degradation. It happens in a family unit, it happens in the national and international discussions.

I felt we were having a great conversation on a touchy subject. I tuned out when politics entered into it. .

 

[cherryboom66]

Because you mentioned it was a political forum. Obviously. it is, but we were having a pretty good discussion without the need for the introduction of another poster stating the argument "left and right" into the discussion.

Then you mentioned it is a political forum, did you not? Trans people identify with their own individual, emotional and experiences, irrespective of political persuasion. I was not the one who introduced 'left and right' or political persuasion into the discussion.

I'm all for individual choices and opinion, I will support anyone who chooses to make a decision beneficial for their own happiness and life. I am not one to generalise or pigeon hole, judge another because their view may not agree with my view. As I have stated I will oppose radical views who wish me to conform to their view, and theirs alone.

I at times can be a devils advocate, in doing this I discover there are some that are unwilling to meet and discuss, instead refer to intimidation, humiliation, degradation. It happens in a family unit, it happens in the national and international discussions.

I felt we were having a great conversation on a touchy subject. I tuned out when politics entered into it. .

Touchy for me. You’re just having “fun”.

 

[seventiesdemon]

Touchy for me. You’re just having “fun”.

Discussion is enjoyable to me, yes, it's a learning experience for me. Brow beating, intimidation, helps no-one, it does not give cause for others to see a persons point of view, does it?

I've never been one to post a million links to pages. While the written word is not the best way to communicate because it dips out on the 50% of body language most humans use to communicate to one another. I try very hard though not confuse the issue further by introducing third party opinion. It was why I was enjoying our discussion. Nothing wrong with that is there?

 

[slivovic]

I did not mention Mein Kampf in relation to Rowling. I pointed out that a current president liking 'the good stories' does not make it movie of the week material. Left wing or right wing is largely irrelevant. A person who says things others find toxic will likely in a free society par an economic price for those things. Agree with them or not, that is reality. I did not hear you defending athletes who were at risk of losing their jobs for kneeling, I mentioned one who was blacklisted for his views - at the behest of the president. The right is only concerned when they agree with the person who took a right wing position.

I wasn't participating in this forum when that was going on. But I don't approve of any kind of cancel culture frankly. And I have to agree with you that some on the right are frankly hypocrites when they complain about this sort of thing whilst participating in it.

 

[cherryboom66]

Discussion is enjoyable to me, yes, it's a learning experience for me. Brow beating, intimidation, helps no-one, it does not give cause for others to see a persons point of view, does it?

I've never been one to post a million links to pages. While the written word is not the best way to communicate because it dips out on the 50% of body language most humans use to communicate to one another. I try very hard though not confuse the issue further by introducing third party opinion. It was why I was enjoying our discussion. Nothing wrong with that is there?

“Brow beating, intimidation”..... strange choice of words.

 

[seventiesdemon]

I'm a strange person, not your usual pea in a pod thinker. I think I started out the discussion via my dislike of intimidation from radical groups. I still believe it's not the way to go for understanding. It was never meant as a generalization or a personal comment toward yourself.

I come from a pretty mixed family of opinion. It seems to have helped me have a pretty broad view of the world.

 

[cherryboom66]

I'm a strange person, not your usual pea in a pod thinker. I think I started out the discussion via my dislike of intimidation from radical groups. I still believe it's not the way to go for understanding. It was never meant as a generalization or a personal comment toward yourself.

I come from a pretty mixed family of opinion. It seems to have helped me have a pretty broad view of the world.

But it is completely a generalisation and a personal comment to me. You’re saying that If you stick up for trans rights and have a differing opinion, you’re radical and intimidating.

 

[slivovic]

But it is completely a generalisation and a personal comment to me. You’re saying that If you stick up for trans rights and have a differing opinion, you’re radical and intimidating.

That's possibly a strawman. I certainly wouldn't connect the two necessarily. If someone tries to harm others and silence them for holding differing opinions, then I would suggest that 'radical and intimidating' is an understatement.

 

[seventiesdemon]

But it is completely a generalisation and a personal comment to me. You’re saying that If you stick up for trans rights and have a differing opinion, you’re radical and intimidating.

As I have said, you read into a written word what your emotion or choice dictates. I could sit and discuss all night and day for a week or eternity via a written conversation and it could all come undone from a phrase or two words pulled from a sentence, which you have done.

Why do you think novels are so popular? Not one person who reads one, will read the words written by the author and imagine in their mind the same as the next person who reads the very same book. It will be up to the interpretation of the reader and their imaginations of how they experience the written word.

Poetry I suppose is a place to express emotion in writing where most are on a similar level. Most look toward poetry for expression of emotion, so those who read it are in the same ballpark. Discussing opposing opinion on society in writing is another level. This is where the written word falls short because we all look at it from different levels.

You have accused me of being a generalist and personal. You have just made it clear that I have totally wasted a few hours of my life. I'd just like to ad I find Trans people the most liberated of all human society, I love the art, the imagination, the personalities.

But I abhor radicalism in all its forms. Thanks for your valuable time also, one thing we all share is a limited time of it. Use it well.

 

[cherryboom66]

As I have said, you read into a written word what your emotion or choice dictates. I could sit and discuss all night and day for a week or eternity via a written conversation and it could all come undone from a phrase or two words pulled from a sentence, which you have done.

Why do you think novels are so popular? Not one person who reads one, will read the words written by the author and imagine in their mind the same as the next person who reads the very same book. It will be up to the interpretation of the reader and their imaginations of how they experience the written word.

Poetry I suppose is a place to express emotion in writing where most are on a similar level. Most look toward poetry for expression of emotion, so those who read it are in the same ballpark. Discussing opposing opinion on society in writing is another level. This is where the written word falls short because we all look at it from different levels.

You have accused me of being a generalist and personal. You have just made it clear that I have totally wasted a few hours of my life. I'd just like to ad I find Trans people the most liberated of all human society, I love the art, the imagination, the personalities.

But I abhor radicalism in all its forms. Thanks for your valuable time also, one thing we all share is a limited time of it. Use it well.

What do you care about? What makes you victimised? What are your passions?

 

[cherryboom66]

That's possibly a strawman. I certainly wouldn't connect the two necessarily. If someone tries to harm others and silence them for holding differing opinions, then I would suggest that 'radical and intimidating' is an understatement.

So If I get ridiculed on the street, attacked, mocked and harmed due to JKs difference of opinion, if I fight back and silence the c*nts I’m worse?

 

[slivovic]

So If I get ridiculed on the street, attacked, mocked and harmed due to JKs difference of opinion, if I fight back and silence the c*nts I’m worse?

No. Not at all. If you silence via argument. And if your 'fighting back' is proportionate.

 

[cherryboom66]

No. Not at all. If you silence via argument. And if your 'fighting back' is proportionate.

You really haven’t faced anything have you.

 

[slivovic]

You really haven’t faced anything have you.

Yes I have. I do believe in something called proportionality. And I'm not accusing *you* of anything. If you were attacked by someone for being trans, I'd certainly want to fight in your corner.

 

[cherryboom66]

Yes I have. I do believe in something called proportionality. And I'm not accusing *you* of anything. If you were attacked by someone for being trans, I'd certainly want to fight in your corner.

Thank you. I do fight and I always will. Imagine how a parent of a trans child feels when they read this awful shit being directed at their children? It’s not “radical” to tell the poster to shut the fuck up for their hateful comments. It’s not bullying, it’s not cancel culture, it’s not victimising - it’s telling a hateful c**t to shut the fuck up.

 

[cherryboom66]

No. Not at all. If you silence via argument. And if your 'fighting back' is proportionate.

When one in four trans kids are trying to commit suicide due to these public views and the hate and ridicule they get, what in your opinion is “proportionate”?

 

[slivovic]

Thank you. I do fight and I always will. Imagine how a parent of a trans child feels when they read this awful shit being directed at their children? It’s not “radical” to tell the poster to shut the fuck up for their hateful comments. It’s not bullying, it’s not cancel culture, it’s not victimising - it’s telling a hateful c**t to shut the fuck up.

Again, that is not what I'm talking about. That isn't cancel culture.

When one in four trans kids are trying to commit suicide due to these public views and the hate and ridicule they get, what in your opinion is “proportionate”?

What in your opinion is proportionate?

 

[cherryboom66]

Again, that is not what I'm talking about. That isn't cancel culture.

What in your opinion is proportionate?

If someone attacks me, I will happily show them what will happen to them.