John Holmes' early gay movies (pics/videos included)

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  1. mistahonest

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    I have a clip from that on an old VHS that was some cheap video compilation... you know the ones. The "40 movies for the price of 1!", but they were 40 1 or 2 minute segments at best. :D
     
  2. D_Gunther Snotpole

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    Now, Chuck ... how can anyone know where and when he got AIDS?
    The fact is that the gestation period is typically something like nine years.
    There is also no certainty at all that an act of sex with a single infected partner ... especially when we're talking about the active partner, which Holmes was in that film ... will result in infection. It might, but far more often would not.
    He had also been an injection drug user, right?
    Not to mention his various sexual contacts when no camera was around.
    So no one can say how Holmes got infected.
    Just sayin'.
     
  3. B_KOKOBWARE

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    Good work bro...share some "straight" jonh holmes stuff with us:biggrin1:
     
  4. John Estes

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    You beat me to it :) . No one knows and probably will never know how Holmes truly got AIDS. I think there was a good chance that he did get it from The Private Pleasures of John C. Holmes, but it could've been from anywhere really. Two interesting facts I should point out though: Four of the actors in The Private Pleasures all ended up receiving and dying from AIDS. Also, I swear I read somewhere that Holmes had like a small scar on his penis around the time he made that movie and this could've opened up when penetrating someone with AIDS and caused blood to transfer inside.

    Actually according to Holmes' second wife Laurie, Holmes was terrified with needles and never injected heroine. Some claim that he could've got it from injecting drugs because his veins on his body stick out in some films, but Holmes always had profound veins like that, even in the old gay films posted in this thread before he got into drugs.

    But yeah, I think you're right about the various sexual contacts he had off camera. I'd be willing to bet that is where he got it from.
     
  5. John Estes

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    Soon, my friend, soon :) . Check out Flashy's classic porn post in the mean time, he's got some Holmes stuff in there (especially page 17).
     
  6. D_Gunther Snotpole

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    That movie was made in 1983, right?
    And he died in March 1988.
    So that gives only five years from infection to development of full-blown AIDS to death.
    Timeline sounds a bit short to me.
    Wonder what Bbucko would say.
     
  7. poolstic4

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    Talking about John Holmes......I just drove through the town he was born in. Ashville Ohio is just south of Columbus. I don't no if the house he lived in is still there or if anybody knew that he was from there. He's a household name and should be givin credit for the intertainment he gave us all those years.
     
  8. John Estes

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    You got a point there, but I don't really know much about how AIDS works. Some info I can give though is that I believe he was diagnosed HIV positive in 1985. I remember reading just recently that he actually went in to get tested before that, like in 1984 (since Bill Amerson wanted regulated AIDS testing because of the AIDS boom then) and did not have it at that point. Part of the reason Holmes' health deteriorated so quickly, according to Amerson, was that once he found out he had AIDS, he increased his drug, smoking, and alcohol use because he knew he was going to die, even after the doctor told him he could live another 20 years if he didn't do those things. This may be an entirely different case, but rapper Eazy-E died of AIDS just 10 days after he found out.

    In a John Holmes thread I made recently, I posted how I found a forum talking about Holmes' in his home town of Pataskala, Ohio and how an alleged niece of his posted fiercly about the trouble her uncle has caused their family. Check it out here, the girl is pretty crazy!
     
  9. thirteenbyseven

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    This is a great historical thread. I was seventeen when John Holmes died of AIDS in March of 1988 but he was already a legend around my high school heterosexual circles. I had seen some of his VHS pornos on my friend's TV and admired how he could have all those women at one time.

    It seemed every aspect of his life was open to conjecture. I've met somebody who still has a photo of himself with John Holmes taken during a personal appearance at a little adult theater on Beach Blvd. in Buena Park in the early to mid 1980's. It shows this fellow who is my height (around 6' 4") just towering over a rail thin John Holmes, dressed in jeans and a yellow T-shirt. John looked to be 5' 11" or no more than 6 feet tall, certainly not the 6' 2" listed.

    Whatever the true measurements of his penis were it was a legendary life cut short.
     
  10. Bbucko

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    OK.

    First regarding some myths and half-truths about HIV that I've seen here:

    Tops get infected, though not at the same rates as bottoms.

    The average incubation period for HIV is six weeks, though some people will seroconvert in fewer than four and others will take as long as eight. Unless one's immune system has been destroyed by chemotherapy or long-term IV drug use, everyone will test positive following infection within thirteen weeks.

    Everyone's immune system reacts differently to infection with HIV. Some people suffer terribly while seroconverting, others feel no effects whatsoever. I cannot remember any bout of illness that I can reliably state marked my seroconversion, but it happened so long ago that I would probably have forgotten it anyway.

    Once infected, everyone responds differently. Some people get very sick very quickly, and , depending on the quality of their care and their own body's ability to fight off the virus, might never recover. They are called Rapid Progressors.

    Others will remain healthy for years and, never having shown signs of seroconversion, would have no way of knowing that they carry the virus without getting tested. Depending on when I was infected, I could have been carrying the virus for as long as fifteen or twenty years before my first bout of opportunistic infections, getting tested and beginning treatment. I am a Long-Term Slow Progressor.

    There is a tiny minority who have lived with the virus without ever getting sick at all. No one knows why. They are called Long-Term Non-Progressors.

    Infection Scenarios
    :

    1) World-wide, the most common mode of transmission for HIV is unprotected vaginal sex.

    2) In Western Europe, The US, Canada, and Australia, the most common mode of transmission is unprotected anal sex between men.

    3) The sharing of hypodermic syringes and needles has been, historically, how HIV has been passed into the heterosexual community in Western Europe, The US, Canada and Australia; However, once infected, women and men can and do pass HIV through unprotected vaginal sex.

    4) Cuts, abrasions, etc are poor transmission nodes. The areas of the body that facilitate transmission are special cells in the mucous membranes lining the rectum, the vagina, the urethra and the inside of the foreskin.

    5) The presence of saliva, which is highly acidic and toxic to HIV, precludes almost any oral sex scenario from consideration. This is highly controversial right now, as anecdotally some men insist that they were infected by giving blowjobs. But this is contradicted by science.

    6) The risks of transmission from mother to child during childbirth, while they are troubling to an HIV+ mother, are outside this area of discussion.

    Relevant to this topic:

    John Holmes might have been infected through the unprotected anal sex he had with men during the filming of The Private Pleasures, though it's no less likely that he was infected engaging in unprotected anal and/or vaginal sex with his countless female partners at the same time.

    We will simply never know.

    What we do know now (and have known for over twenty years) is that using a condom during vaginal and/or anal sex is the surest way to prevent HIV infection, barring celibacy or strict monogamy between two uninfected individuals.
     
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    Bbucko, I truly love your continued attempts to educate the community about HIV & AIDS. You are performing a wonderful service for so many who do not know this information or do not educate themselves about this virus. Thanks and I wish they would make a sticky of your information.
     
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    Thanks, baby. But thank Rubi, who sent out the giant Goatse-Symbol in the night sky, bringing my attention to this thread.
     
  13. John Estes

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    Ditto!

    Thanks for the great post, Bbucko. That certainly cleared up a lot of myths I had about AIDS and helped me learn a great deal!
     
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    The sex in the Peter North / Rick Donovan scene is likely simulated. It does not look real and never shows actual penetration. I think at one point you can even see Donvan bumping his softie against North's butt.

    I have not been able to locate any other Peter North gay films - so if they do in fact exist, what are the titles?
     
  15. John Estes

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    Great post, I always love to hear people's 70's-80's John Holmes stories :) . It's very interesting to hear that John Holmes was not as tall as he looks to be in his films, so it's very hard for me to imagine him being shorter than 6"2 :biggrin1: ! If you or your friend are ever able to scan that pic, I'd love to see it!

    On a side note, it seems as if there are a ton of people who have encountered or met Holmes in real life. Not only have I read numerous experiences from here, but just a few weeks ago in a very small Yahoo! chat room, I mentioned Holmes and a guy in there said he briefly met him at an airport in the early 70's, not knowing who he was at the time.
     
  16. B_The Greek Dude

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    Every porn star - both male and female - has to start out doing solo and gay scenes. The females have no problem with it, but guys almost always use a different name, or otherwise try to hide their identity.

    I can kind of see how a girl could take him, since vaginas are made to force clawing, screaming babies out of, but I don't even WANT to know how the hell that guy fit it in his ass, or if he was able to poop afterwards.
     
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    Sometimes you have to be careful with those anecdotal stories. We were at a nudist resort once when this guy starts to talk about meeting up with the legendary porn king at an airport in Daytona, Florida. He had cool dude sunglasses because he didn't want anyone to recognize him and a big 'ol ten gallon hat to add to the incognito disguise. But what got to this guy was all these race car people who met John Holmes. He had no idea John Holmes was so much into racing.

    It was NASCAR driver Richard Petty. :pat:
     
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    I heard he actually got rock hard when he screws the guy.....in cointrast to his normal semi hard state. Still even semi hard..he was huge!
     
  19. AustinPA

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    Speaking as a medical professional, that timeline is NOT short when all factors are considered.
    1) It was the mid eighties. Standard medical protocol had not developed to where it is today. The timeline would be short today but not in that era of over 20 years ago. The drugs were simply not available then to treat the infection.
    2) I am given to understand Holmes overall lifestyle choices would have greatly exacerbated the problem and significantly shortened any chance at longevity. He was usually engaged in other activities that would shorten his longevity. Smoking, drug use (heavy and constant), probably poor diet, lack of exercise, and overall general poor health without the addition of the HIV infection. His lifestyle was like drinking water when you are already drowning.
    3) Lack of medical recognition and standardized treatment protocols to limit and control secondary infections that would be most often terminal at that time.

    Given the era, medical practises available (no evidence exists he sought medical care to limit the effects of his infection), and Holmes personal lifestyle choices, the approximate five years from contraction of infection to death is within the norm.

    Some people just think they are invincible. Or they simply stop caring.
     
  20. D_Gunther Snotpole

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    The Goastse-Symbol would grab yuh, Bbucko. I knew that.
    An excellent post.
    Thanks for that.
     
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