John Holmes' early gay movies (pics/videos included)

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Here are box covers for a couple of film re-releases on DVD with Holmes that are currently available. "Black Velvet" is still worth a watch today, even with the poor production values. Not because of Holmes (I personally think he's kinda nasty looking), but because of the short with "Big Bill" and John Traynor (a playgirl model of the day). Both are built and Big Bill is seriously long and thick.

Somebody asked about Peter North's gay work and I remember having seen a ton of these - he was really productive in that genre for a while, but I can't find titles at the rent-by-mail co. I do biz with. If you go to Welcome to Falcon Entertainment and search for Matt Ramsey (Ramsay?) you will probably find a lot of them including the one someone mentioned with Rick Donovan (and I'm pretty sure it wasn't simulated fucking as someone suggested earlier) - I think the title is "A Matter of Size." It's interesting that in all the gay movies I've seen with Mr. North he will let himself get blown by a guy, fuck a guy, and get fucked by a guy, but he never gives head to a guy and IIRC, never even touches another guy's dick. I've always regarded getting fucked as a lot more gay than giving head, and for sure more gay than handling another guy's dick, but Peter didn't ask my opinion.

Anyway, more power to him as he has (1) stayed alive in a business where a lot of people die early, and (2) made a successful and VERY long career out of getting laid. Ladies and gentlemen, THAT is talent.
 

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Thanks for the research dude. I too would have liked to have had a round with him. Ugly as sin, but who would be looking at his face. My only hope is that those genes didn't die with him.
 

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Sometimes you have to be careful with those anecdotal stories. We were at a nudist resort once when this guy starts to talk about meeting up with the legendary porn king at an airport in Daytona, Florida. He had cool dude sunglasses because he didn't want anyone to recognize him and a big 'ol ten gallon hat to add to the incognito disguise. But what got to this guy was all these race car people who met John Holmes. He had no idea John Holmes was so much into racing.

It was NASCAR driver Richard Petty. :pat:
Another intriguing story!

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I heard he actually got rock hard when he screws the guy.....in cointrast to his normal semi hard state. Still even semi hard..he was huge!
From what I've seen, I find that too hard to believe. If you check out the second rare video in the first post of this thread, Holmes dick becomes very "smushy" when he's penetrating that guy. Now I know sometimes his dick can be like this with women, but man it's just extra squishy in that vid and Holmes just looks extremely uncomfortable with the whole thing. An interesting fact I came across recently that I would like to point out is that in the Private Pleasures, there is actually a disquised woman that's next to the sultan's throne. When Joey Yale is blowing Holmes, you can see this woman sucking on Holmes' fingers and doing whatever she can to arrouse him during the scene and for like the whole time, Holmes is just looking and smiling at that girl instead of paying any attention to Joey. I believe an IMDB review for this movie specifies who the woman is.

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He was not a good looking man.
I've posted my thoughts on his looks before. I think in some films he can be a pretty good looking guy, but in others he is pretty ugly. I always thought he looked pretty good in Tell Them Johnny Wadd Is Here and Liquid Lips, but maybe it's because I'm a sucker for afros :p .

visualalert said:
Here are box covers for a couple of film re-releases on DVD with Holmes that are currently available. "Black Velvet" is still worth a watch today, even with the poor production values. Not because of Holmes (I personally think he's kinda nasty looking), but because of the short with "Big Bill" and John Traynor (a playgirl model of the day). Both are built and Big Bill is seriously long and thick.
Thanks for posting! I already had the cover for Black Velvet that you posted, but I didn't really know what it was all about. I also have a clip of Holmes masturbating that's shown on the back cover, which is available on The Erotic Museum; I think someone already posted that early in this thread though. I wasn't aware of that Pool Party / Biggest of Them All DVD he was in though!
 

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Back on the size issue, I've also read supposedly 'informed sources' claiming that Big John was closer to 9.5 inches than some of the more exotic claims.

It's interesting that the solo j/o clip shown at the Erotic Museum shows a cock that's barely 2 hand-widths long, the average hand-width being generally accepted as being 4 inches. So, to be 12 inches long his cock would need to be at least 3 hands long.

The actual stats take nothing away from the visual impact of John. I still remember the first time I saw a John Holmes vid as an impressionable teen. I thank him for my continued interest in the subject;-)

cheers

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I think generally speaking, John Holmes was probably around 8-9.5 inches in his usual semi-erect state and that jack off clip you mentioned truly didn't show how large he can be. John's vids can be really suprising; sometimes he looks like a low 8 inches and other times it just jumps out at you like a 12 inch ruler. Here's a good clip that really jumps out at you!

I have this web page saved onto my hard drive that conducts a study using the infamous clip of Holmes and Ginger Lynn online that shows how John was 10 inches at the least in that scene, which he didn't even look that big in. Unfortunately I can't quite find the actual URL to this and one of the URLs I tried doesn't seem to work, so if I can't find it, I'll rehost it.
 

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John's vids can be really surprising; sometimes he looks like a low 8 inches and other times it just jumps out at you like a 12 inch ruler. Here's a good clip that really jumps out at you!

(Jeez, I feel a bit embarrassed responding.)
Well, John, near the beginning, it seems to me that his unit hangs roughly two-thirds of the way to his knee.
Now, if the middle of his knee is about 12 inches from his groin, that would give him eight or perhaps nine inches. Not more, in that clip.
Certainly not 12 inches.
Didn't one of Holmes' early girlfriends claim he told her that he had measured it at 10 inches? (Think I read that in Rolling Stone one time.)
No need to add a full two inches to that figure.
That said, he did have a gift.
 

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(Jeez, I feel a bit embarrassed responding.)
Well, John, near the beginning, it seems to me that his unit hangs roughly two-thirds of the way to his knee.
Now, if the middle of his knee is about 12 inches from his groin, that would give him eight or perhaps nine inches. Not more, in that clip.
Certainly not 12 inches.
Didn't one of Holmes' early girlfriends claim he told her that he had measured it at 10 inches? (Think I read that in Rolling Stone one time.)
No need to add a full two inches to that figure.
That said, he did have a gift.
I doubt he was 12 inches in the beginning of that clip too, but I think that's a good clip to show how huge it can look. Another thing to keep in mind is if you're measuring the curve of his penis as well in that clip, then it would add a little extra length. I really need to reupload this site I have that does a size expirement showing him to be at least 10 inches.

Holmes' first wife Sharon was the one who said he claimed to be 10 inches when she found him measuring himself in a bathroom, but there are all sorts of size claims out there. Bill Amerson, John's close friend and agent, said he was a little over 13 inches, but I don't buy that myself. John himself also claimed to be "the size of two and a half six inch rulers", but that's just ridiculous :p .
 

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Would anyone still happen to have the videos posted on the first page? I lost them a couple years ago, I loved the music! Hell just the song identities themselves would be all I need.
 

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The second early Holmes film I've selected is from just a couple of years later, around 1971, but is entirely different in character to the first film.

In this untitled loop, Holmes appears much more of a seasoned - and unenthusiastic - porn performer, as he continued to do for the rest of his career, in my eyes at least. There is full penetration, and the focus is on near-clinical close-ups, lacking any of the tenderness of the first film.

An intriguing comparison, in my opinion, even though I much prefer the earlier film.

The soundtrack and abominable dubbed-in moaning and groaning originate from a previous release of this originally-silent material, so please don't blame me this time round!! :tongue:

Once again, I've put together a one-minute preview of the 'best bits' at:

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=holmes2preview.wmv
[video will start playing on-screen after 15 secs to 90 secs, depending on your connection speed, and can be downloaded using the link at the bottom of the page]

The entire 10-minute loop can be downloaded from:

http://rapidshare.de/files/34101022/Holmes2.wmv.html
[I'll put up a mirror version at megaupload tomorrow, for those who have problems with Rapidshare]

And here are 5 caps from this film:
Is it possible to see the last five caps . All the links are bad