John lewis calls trump "not our legitimate president."

[Industrialsize]

So if I understand, you are suggesting 1 + 1, but getting 3. Again, you're making major leaps here. He's certainly invested a lot in NYC, and now Washington, and don't think he'd be doing that if he felt inner cities, Chicago aside, were places of fires, crime and squalor (although Diblasio has been a failure in my eyes, but that's for another thread. Maybe Hilary will run for mayor and show us what she would have done for the country).

I find it dangerous to jump on the racism train, but I get why it's so popular. It strikes a nerve, and plays to people's emotions.

Fine, you don't see the racism. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

And if he doesn't think that inner cities are places of fires, crime and squalor, why does he keep saying that they are?

 

[TexanStar]

So if I understand, you are suggesting 1 + 1, but getting 3. Again, you're making major leaps here. He's certainly invested a lot in NYC, and now Washington, and don't think he'd be doing that if he felt inner cities, Chicago aside, were places of fires, crime and squalor.

Are you suggesting that Donald Trump has significant investment in the predominantly black areas in and around NYC or Washington DC / Baltimore?


Anyways: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters.html?_r=0 (It's NYT so I know you probably won't want to read too much of it, but the basic gist is just about his trend of painting the black experience in the USA as one of abject crime, violence, poverty, and decay. This particular article was published in August of last year. Since then, Trump has continued to make these kinds of remarks; the most recent case being the one we're discussing now with the city of Atlanta.

 

[Jjz1109]

Donald Trump has an established track record of making remarks which can be construed as disparaging various ethnic minorities.

That doesn't mean he's intentionally trying to disparage them, but at minimum he is extremely careless with his words in a way that people who do have issues with minorities can latch onto.

In so far as he continues to make statements like that despite being informed about this, it does lend credence to the argument that he is a racist making racist remarks (because any person who wasn't racist would be likely to take a bit more care with how they spoke once it's pointed out to them).

It's like someone who uses the word colored when referring to minorities in daily speech. That's not necessarily racist (could just be upbringing), but if it's pointed out to them that people take offense at the term and there are better terms available, and they tell them to fuck off and keep saying colored, it's pretty likely they're racist.

Based upon some of his previous remarks, could people be predisposed to assuming there are always racist undertones? I'm not defending his flippant comments, or tweets. I think he needs to tone it down. But I'm not inclined to jump on every comment as automatically being racist. And assuming that his core base is racist, KKK members who soley got him elected, dismisses what people saw in him as our next leader, compared to Hillary. It sounds good to the disillusioned, but it is also disingenuous.

 

[Jjz1109]

Fine, you don't see the racism. Doesn't mean it isn't there.

And if he doesn't think that inner cities are places of fires, crime and squalor, why does he keep saying that they are?

My guess is because cities are Democrat, and he's rallying the Republican Party, and independents. If he can influence the undecided voters that's things are bad, that cities are burning down (and Chicago is doing its best to help his case), then he gets more support. Democrats bad. Republicans good. Pure politics.

 

[Industrialsize]

My guess is because cities are Democrat, and he's rallying the Republican Party, and independents. If he can influence the undecided voters that's things are bad, that cities are burning down (and Chicago is doing its best to help his case), then he gets more support. Democrats bad. Republicans good. Pure politics.

Nope, rallying racists. not even dog-whistle style. Inner City=Bad.

 

[Bardox]

Lewis is hardly the first to spout this childish nonsense. Trump's victory has popped the bubble most progressives live in and caused a mental break with reality. It's no worse than the birther crap that Obama has had to put up with through out his presidency. Considering Trump was at the head of that claptrap, I say it's just rewards.

Despite his statement, John Lewis is, was, and shall continue to be a great human being. This episode should not reduce anyone's opinion of the man. He has more than earned the right to say any god damn thing he wants. Childish or not. And if someone doesn't like what he has to say, well that's just too damn bad.

 

[b.c.]

My only answer is wow. I consider you an intelligent poster from the right, with whom I can have discussion with.

If you can't see the racism in his tweets, you are a true Trump supporter, I hope you enjoy your president.

I misjudged you.

Not surprisingly, people given to saying racist s**** of their OWN are unable to see the racism in Trump's tweets.

Wow. The head birther doesn't like being called illegitimate. Who fucking knew? Where were the cries when the right was questioning Obama's legitimacy every damn day? Fuck these people.

Agreed. Fuck 'em.

 

[halcyondays]

This is taking the anti-trump backlash to a new level. This is taking a party's loss and petulant behavior following an election to a new level. It's damaging and irresponsible. It doesn't help our country. Where is obama encouraging our government representatives to respect the office and support a smooth transition of power? Instead, the focus is on challenging the outcome. I see this only emboldens both sides, further dividing this country.

Trump has spend the last 8 years shouting from the rooftops that Obama is not our legitimate president and you're offended the first time Lewis says it about Trump? You accuse Lewis of not respecting the office? He has eight years just to even the score with Trump. Get used to it.

 

[TexanStar]

Trump has spend the last 8 years shouting from the rooftops that Obama is not our legitimate president and you're offended the first time Lewis says it about Trump? You accuse Lewis of not respecting the office? He has eight years just to even the score with Trump. Get used to it.

lol

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/09/politics/donald-trump-birther/

 

[b.c.]

Trump has spend the last 8 years shouting from the rooftops that Obama is not our legitimate president and you're offended the first time Lewis says it about Trump? You accuse Lewis of not respecting the office? He has eight years just to even the score with Trump. Get used to it.

Not just Trump but conservatives and the ENTIRE Republican Party who, from day one, entered into a conspiracy to SABOTAGE Obama's presidency.

What was it they kept saying... They "REPUDIATE him."

 

[deleted15807]

Not just Trump but conservatives and the ENTIRE Republican Party who, from day one, entered into a conspiracy to SABOTAGE Obama's presidency.

What was it they kept saying... They "REPUDIATE him."

These same people will have "no comment" on the little meeting the Republicans had on the eve of Obama's inauguration. In essence delegitimizing Obama's presidency. No won't see the thread OP starting a thread on that one. No sireee Bob.

After three hours of strategizing, they decided they needed to fight Obama on everything. The new president had no idea what the Republicans were planning.

 

[Mercurygirl]

More divisiveness from the left. Sounds like treason.

 

[b.c.]

These same people will have "no comment" on the little meeting the Republicans had on the eve of Obama's inauguration. In essence delegitimizing Obama's presidency. No won't see the thread OP starting a thread on that one. No sireee Bob.

After three hours of strategizing, they decided they needed to fight Obama on everything. The new president had no idea what the Republicans were planning.

Exactly. Funny how the same people who NEVER accepted Obama's presidency want everyone to accept Trump's.

 

[Chrysippus]

These same people will have "no comment" on the little meeting the Republicans had on the eve of Obama's inauguration. In essence delegitimizing Obama's presidency. No won't see the thread OP starting a thread on that one. No sireee Bob.

After three hours of strategizing, they decided they needed to fight Obama on everything. The new president had no idea what the Republicans were planning.

They haven't changed: remember the secession movement during the O presidency?
'As the dust settles in the wake of President Obama's decisive reelection last Tuesday, the White House petition website has been flooded by a series of secession requests, with malcontents from New Jersey to North Dakota submitting petitions to allow their states to withdraw from the union.

Most of the petitions submitted thus far have come from solidly conservative states, including most of the Deep South and reliably separatist Texas. But a handful come from the heart of blue America - relatively progressive enclaves like Oregon and New York.

All told, petitions have been filed on behalf of 20 states: Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee, and Texas.'
from: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/states-petition-to-secede-from-union/

 

[deleted37010]

More divisiveness from the left. Sounds like treason.

well...let's start by actually defining treason...

1. U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-114publ38/html/PLAW-114publ38.htm

 

[Mercurygirl]

well...let's start by actually defining treason...

1. U.S. Code › Title 18 › Part I › Chapter 115 › § 2381

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-114publ38/html/PLAW-114publ38.htm

Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

 

[deleted37010]

Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

ma'am.... is this what you believe rep. lewis did?

 

[Mercurygirl]

ma'am.... is this what you believe rep. lewis did?

Lewis' words are treasonous.

 

[deleted15807]

Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

Funny how your "glasses are a might foggy".

GOP obstructionism becomes treason on debt ceiling

If running the US government off a cliff isn't treason and threatening worldwide financial calamity I don't know what is. But sacrificing yourself for "the cause" is no surprise. You've been doing it for 30 years and have nothing to show for it but declining life expectancy, drug addiction and stagnant wages. Good job!! Trump will make it all better. What year should we set the Time Machine for 1953? 1948? Something before those nasty Civil RIghts laws and feminists. Where your place at the water fountain was secured.

 

[deleted37010]

Treason: the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government.

Lewis' words are treasonous.

ma'am...i fail to see where his words meet your definition of treason .... would you highlight the portion where he attempted to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government? perhaps i am missing something?

In an exclusive interview with NBC News' "Meet the Press," Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., said he does not believe Donald Trump is a "legitimate president," citing Russian interference in last year's election.

Asked whether he would try to forge a relationship with the president-elect, Lewis said that he believes in forgiveness, but added, "it's going to be very difficult. I don't see this president-elect as a legitimate president."

When pressed to explain why, he cited allegations of Russian hacks during the campaign that led to the release of internal documents from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton's campaign co-chairman, John Podesta.

"I think the Russians participated in helping this man get elected. And they helped destroy the candidacy of Hillary Clinton," Lewis told NBC News.

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/john-lewis-trump-won-t-be-legitimate-president-n706676