Jon Stewart Rips Obama: Kick your OWN ass!

[Trinity]

Anyone can figure out that people on the right are mad at Obama because he's not "one of them", so they run with any news that doesn't position him in a positive light to suggest that he's an "empty suit". Whereas some people on the left are upset with him because they want Obama to be tougher and more progressive. Two entirely different reasonings for the same story.

But ain't it funny how Cruella de Vil and her usual henchmen fail to get the picture?

You still don't get it. Many of Obama's policies have been rejected by more Americans than support them. Obama has from day one been able to be as progressive and extreme left as he wanted. If Obama isn't pleasing his left base -that's on him. If Obama isn't pleasing centrist Independents - that's on him. If Obama can't make it work with conservative Americans - that is also his failure.

If Obama can't govern with the majority of Americans approving of his job performance or his policies he isn't serving the American people or doing his job well.

Nobody is exaggerating news to make Obama look bad...Obama's poor job performance is simply the news and you and he don't like hearing about it.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

^^ Excuse me, Cruella de Trinitroll, but when did you have the permission to talk to me? Did I tell you that you had the authority to open your hole and spew your venom towards the likeness that is VinylBoy? Know your place, and take your propagated bullshit elsewhere.

 

[b.c.]

Obama's Job Approval according to Gallup: 45% Approve 48% Disapprove

Obama's opposition are the very people he claims to represent - The American People. More Americans didn't want Obama's mess of healthcare reform than did want it. And that is still true:

Funny. Seems I can recall he got elected promising healthcare reform. I also can recall YOU saying that we need healthcare reform. An Obama/Democratic platform...NOT a Republican one. So now you're saying that "the American People" never wanted it in the first place?

A teleprompter speech does not a leader make.

You show your own desperation in this statement. Teleprompters and the use thereof is not an Obama invention.

He didn't have one when he faced off against a room full of the Republican opposition, as I can recall. And he sure handled all of their asses well enough, didn't he?

 

[Trinity]

Funny. Seems I can recall he got elected promising healthcare reform. I also can recall YOU saying that we need healthcare reform. An Obama/Democratic platform...NOT a Republican one. So now you're saying that "the American People" never wanted it in the first place?

No. What I said was...

Obama's opposition are the very people he claims to represent - The American People. More Americans didn't want Obama's mess of healthcare reform than did want it. And that is still true:

The polls were posted here week after week. Obama and the Dems mess of bills that became ObamaCare still don't have majority support.

Of course people want HealthCare Reform. People don't want Obama's healthcare mess that is going to add to the deficit, increase premiums and two agencies determined - won't cut healthcare costs.

The Dems are pleading for 102 billion for the Doc Fix while they are supposed to cut 500 Billion from medicare without it hurting seniors...please.

“Remember, the question isn’t whether to do a Doc Fix or not; the question is whether to add it to the debt or not,” Stewart said. “As Sen. McConnell says: ‘But even in the face of public outrage, Democrats are showing either that they just don’t get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just don’t care.’”

Politico​

You show your own desperation in this statement. Teleprompters and the use thereof is not an Obama invention.

To reiterate: Obama's skill at teleprompter speaking isn't translating into good leadership and his poll numbers on his policies and during this crisis back that up.​

He didn't have one when he faced off against a room full of the Republican opposition, as I can recall. And he sure handled all of their asses well enough, didn't he?

Obama was handed his. Obama was able to rack up a few points because of his position but he failed to change public opinion on his mess of healthcare reform. He still doesn't have support for the issue he was supposed to "handing them their butts" on...so he really didn't do anything but demonstrate he's guy who talks the talk but can't walk the walk of an strong and effective leader. ​

 

[B_talltpaguy]

The Dems are pleading for 102 billion for the Doc Fix while they are supposed to cut 500 Billion from medicare without it hurting seniors...please.

“Remember, the question isn’t whether to do a Doc Fix or not; the question is whether to add it to the debt or not,” Stewart said. “As Sen. McConnell says: ‘But even in the face of public outrage, Democrats are showing either that they just don’t get it on this issue of the debt, or that they just don’t care.’”

Politico

Hogwash

The Republicans are merely spewing forth an obstructionist talking point with no actual solution to a problem that they themselves created and perpetuated for years. This problem was created in 1997 by the Republican controlled Congress in the first place, and under Bush and the Republican controlled Congress through the 2000's, the issue was kicked down the road every year with deficit spending.

After years of passing the buck themselves by paying for the 'doc fix' with deficit spending, the Republicans are now magically demanding budget cuts to other govt programs to pay for it... Note that the Republicans don't want to craft a longterm solution to their own legislative screw up that caused this mess in the first place, they just want to force the nation to keep propping up the profits of doctors and hospitals through a sacrifice of other services, right when the people using those services need them the most.

It's more of the same from the Republicans, lots of running from accountability for their mistakes, whining and obstruction, with zero leadership on what an actual effective solution looks like.

 

[sbat]

No. What I said was...

So is this how she normally starts? Innocuously, with some links, then moves into propaganda? I had always assumed she trolled from the start, with inflammatory links or articles from non-credible sources.

 

[B_talltpaguy]

^It varies... The end result is always the same though... Trinity gets called out on the partisan scapegoating and trolling, and then vanishes for several days or weeks, apparently out of embarrassment, before returning to start the cycle all over again as if nothing had ever happened. The rest of us are either disgusted or highly entertained the repetition of this cycle, depending upon how seriously one takes Trinitys antics.

 

[b.c.]

No. What I said was... Obama and the Dems mess of bills that became ObamaCare still don't have majority support.

Of course people want HealthCare Reform. People don't want Obama's healthcare mess that is going to add to the deficit, increase premiums and two agencies determined - won't cut healthcare costs.

Well, we're still waiting for all of you right wing critics to show us a better plan, but we'll not hold our breaths.

Oh, that's right...I forgot. YOUR position is that critics and obstructionists have a right to whine and obstruct efforts at reform, BUT the responsibility (as you've said) of providing a better plan (or at least one that would allegedly be acceptable to the majority of Americans AND satisfy the conservative elements in America WHO CLEARLY DON'T WANT ANY KIND OF HEALTHCARE REFORM) lies with Obama.

Right.

(BTW, one of those two agencies you mentioned later revised their findings, correcting their previously incorrect determination on projected savings from the plan.)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2010-06-11-health-care-reform_N.htm?csp=34

Think tank analysis: Health care reform best option of 2,000 policies

By Robert Preidt, HealthDay

"The new U.S. health care reform law was the best option for providing health insurance to the largest number of people while keeping federal government costs as low as possible, according to an analysis by the RAND Corp., a nonprofit policy think tank."

"Of all the proposals on the table that would expand health insurance to more Americans, the final health reform law included those that covered the largest number of people at the lowest cost to the federal government," study author Elizabeth A. McGlynn, a senior researcher at RAND, said in a news release from RAND.

(USA Today)

Come to think of it, this deserves its OWN thread....

....there....

 

[Trinity]

Hogwash

The Republicans are merely spewing forth an obstructionist talking point with no actual solution to a problem that they themselves created and perpetuated for years.
It's more of the same from the Republicans, lots of running from accountability for their mistakes, whining and obstruction, with zero leadership on what an actual effective solution looks like.

So Obama just wants to repeat the Republican mistakes with the Doc Fix adding more and more to the deficit in the middle of a fragile economy. Obama has no solution!

Obama said. “I’m absolutely willing to take the difficult steps necessary to lower the cost of Medicare and put our budget on a more fiscally sustainable path.

Politico

Obama has no idea how to do anything. Where is Obama's solution? He doesn't even have a budget! He refuses to pay for his additional jobs bills which are billions and billions to the deficit. And the Doc Fix was an accounting trick for his healthcare mess. Where is Obama's solution for all his rhetoric? The Doc Fix is being debated. At anytime, Obama and the Demcrats can present a budget to negotiate. Obama and the Dems have no solution but to continue to blame others and add to the deficit.​

The only one embarrassed is you with your ridiculous posts.
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[Trinity]

Well, we're still waiting for all of you right wing critics to show us a better plan, but we'll not hold our breaths.

Nobody has to present a plan or just shut up and take Obama's madness and bad policies that could lead us into ruin. The Republicans presented their plans and ideas and Obama acknowledged that. His decision to push his mess of healthcare through when it won't do what it is intended to do only further demonstrates his incompetence.

A Tip of the iceberg:

Obama was just speaking to seniors recently in a sad attempt to SELL his mess of Healthcare Reform touting his $250 dollar check to some seniors on medicare as if that will actually pay for precriptions in this day and age. Obama also touted his high risk pools...

Study: Obamacare Fails to Pay for High-Risk Pools

President Barack Obama's new healthcare law reportedly doesn't allocate nearly enough money to cover the estimated 5.6 million to 7 million Americans with pre-existing medical conditions who will qualify for temporary high-risk insurance pools.

An analysis by the Center for Studying Health System Change found that the new law “could leave hundreds of thousands of potential participants with serious medical problems unable to obtain coverage,” and concluded that the $5 billion earmarked for the pools might cover as few as 200,000 people a year.

ObamaCare isn't worth the paper it was written on. Obama can't cover 34 million additional people, adding to the deficit...and failing to control costs and cut premiums. Obama can't cut 500 Billion out of medicare and cover 34 million more people.

Obama doesn't have a plan that works.

The CMS Actuary Report: What’s the Bottom Line? June 1, 2010

The report concludes that healthcare reform will increase costs by $251 billion during the next decade; by 2019, health costs would rise to 21.0 percent of the gross domestic product, compared to 20.8 percent under prior law.

RACMonitor.com

The report concludes that the anticipated additional demand for health services initially could be difficult to meet with existing health provider resources and could lead to price increases, cost-shifting, and changes in providers' willingness to treat patients with low-reimbursement health coverage.

RACMonitor.com

 

[B_talltpaguy]

So Obama just wants to repeat the Republican mistakes with the Doc Fix adding more and more to the deficit in the middle of a fragile economy. Obama has no solution!

Obviously, his solution is indeed to put this off until there are enough actual leaders in Congress willing to do their damn job, and sit down and figure out how to solve the matter for good... But since Republicans are only concerned with obstruction and political grandstanding in an election year, not actual leadership, a real solution is impossible.

Seniors on Medicare can't wait for Republicans to stop acting like jackasses, so the Dems are correctly doing what they can in the face of the constant jackass behavior... They have proposed a 'centrist' interim solution that has in fact been favored by Republicans for a decade, knowing that if it gets an up or down vote, several Republicans will side with Democrats and at least get this issue resolved for now... But instead of letting that happen, Republican leadership is hypocritically tying up the vote and trying to make political hay out of it.

Personally, I would rather the Dems call the Republican's bluff on it, propose an actual longterm solution, not an interim one, and let the Republicans filibuster on TV for days and weeks, and then explain to seniors in November why they wanted to play footsie with their healthcare.

Obama has no idea how to do anything. Where is Obama's solution? He doesn't even have a budget! He refuses to pay for his additional jobs bills which are billions and billions to the deficit.

An action with wide support of economists and even Fed Chairman Bernanke, who all fear that if the govt cuts spending right now, it could lead to a double dip recession.

Republicans proved that they don't know how to run the economy when they drove the nation off a cliff into this disaster, and they continue to prove that they don't know how to pull us out of it either with nonsense like this.

 

[faceking]

You've offered criticism of Obama on LPSG, therefore you must be a troll and shortly banned soon thereafter.

Video: Ass Quest 2010 | The Daily Show | Comedy Central

Jon Stewart's Gulf Coast Oil Spill segment encourages Obama to kick his own behind for his bad response to the spill.

And then....Mr. Stewart uses the rest of the segment to tell the President he is an empty suit full of rhetoric and he needs to do his darn job.

And he didn't stop there...he reiterated the fact that Obama has yet to adequately address the jobs crisis...of course with humorous satire:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-june-8-2010/what-about-jobs-

 

[b.c.]

Nobody has to present a plan or just shut up and take Obama's madness and bad policies that could lead us into ruin. The Republicans presented their plans and ideas and Obama acknowledged that. His decision to push his mess of healthcare through when it won't do what it is intended to do only further demonstrates his incompetence.
The CMS Actuary Report: What’s the Bottom Line? June 1, 2010

You're good at picking and choosing which parts of an argument you wish to address and which you want to ignore. So it's no surprise that you'd ignore my reference to the RAND Corp. study that states that the present plan is better at reaching the intended goals of reform than 2,000 other possible policies.

Instead you quote an analysis provided by RACMonitor.com. And who are they? Well, from their site:

“RACmonitor.com is an online news and information source to help healthcare providers make informed decisions for their organizations on the activities of Recovery Audit Contractors — the congressionally mandated program under the auspices of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) and administered by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS).

Healthcare sales and marketing professionals can reach important decision makers among the provider target market with our portfolio of RAC-focused products.”

But since we're quoting sources, let me add this source in addition to my previously posted RAND Corp. analysis:

Understanding the CMS Actuary

“Does the actuary estimate that health reform will increase the federal deficit?

No. The actuary’s report doesn’t address the issue. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that health reform will reduce deficits by $143 billion over its first decade and by about $1.3 trillion in its second decade.

Does the actuary estimate that health reform will cost more than CBO estimates?

No. On an apples-to-apples basis, the estimates by the CMS actuary and CBO are almost identical. The net savings in Medicare and Medicaid total $455 billion according to CBO and about $457 billion according to the actuary.

What about the estimated increase in health insurance coverage?

Again, the CMS actuary’s estimate is similar to CBO’s. The actuary estimates that health reform will insure 34 million more people and extend coverage to 93 percent of the U.S. population by 2019.

Will health reform slow the growth of national health expenditures?

Yes. Health reform will increase national health spending slightly at first because it greatly expands health insurance coverage, and insured people use more health services than uninsured ones.

But health reform will also slow the growth rate of health care costs, generating savings that will grow over time. The actuary finds that health reform will cut the rate of growth of health spending after the initial increase, so that by 2019 national health expenditures will be only 1 percent higher than they would have been without health reform.”

You can read the rest on your own... and weep.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

You've offered criticism of Obama on LPSG, therefore you must be a troll and shortly banned soon thereafter.

Actually, if you want to be technical YOU are a troll.
Trinsanity is just a b**** who thinks anyone who doesn't agree with him/her doesn't "get it". Far from a troll and more like an unoriginal, partisan hack, however, the "t-word" does kinda fit it.

 

[b.c.]

Actually I'm grateful for the presence of Trinity and others like him/her/them (whatever "Trinity" is) for bringing to the forefront the misinformed views of probably thousands like them, without which we'd not have the opportunity to debunk the propaganda and at least offer a different point of view.

 

[Zeuhl34]

In response to the statement put forth in the title of the thread (I have Trinity on ignore, so I can't see her posts):

So? Jon Stewart's a comedian; of course he'll mock someone in the public eye.

 

[Trinity]

But since we're quoting sources, let me add this source in addition to my previously posted RAND Corp. analysis:

Understanding the CMS Actuary

“Does the actuary estimate that health reform will increase the federal deficit?

No. The actuary’s report doesn’t address the issue. The Congressional Budget Office (CBO) estimates that health reform will reduce deficits by $143 billion over its first decade and by about $1.3 trillion in its second decade.

Does the actuary estimate that health reform will cost more than CBO estimates?

No. On an apples-to-apples basis, the estimates by the CMS actuary and CBO are almost identical. The net savings in Medicare and Medicaid total $455 billion according to CBO and about $457 billion according to the actuary.

What about the estimated increase in health insurance coverage?

Again, the CMS actuary’s estimate is similar to CBO’s. The actuary estimates that health reform will insure 34 million more people and extend coverage to 93 percent of the U.S. population by 2019.

Will health reform slow the growth of national health expenditures?

Yes. Health reform will increase national health spending slightly at first because it greatly expands health insurance coverage, and insured people use more health services than uninsured ones.

But health reform will also slow the growth rate of health care costs, generating savings that will grow over time. The actuary finds that health reform will cut the rate of growth of health spending after the initial increase, so that by 2019 national health expenditures will be only 1 percent higher than they would have been without health reform.”

Actually, those aren't questions (the way in which they are worded) that have any relevance to the discussion...which is why whoever wrote that article asked them...
As if the answers to those questions somehow support ObamaCare. Nope.

Obama’s claim that Obamacare will be “one of the biggest deficit-reduction plans in history” is that the CBO has explicitly reported that when the “doctor fix” is enacted, the $138 billion in paper “savings” disappear and a

$59 billion dollar deficit over 10 years is created by Obamacare over 10 years:

CentristNet

ObamaCare fails to control healthcare costs. ObamaCare fails to reduce premiums. ObamaCare adds to the deficit. Everything Obama stated his mess of reform would do...it does not do.

A little-noticed

analysis by the CBO last week showed that rather than controlling costs in the near- and long-term, ObamaCare does nothing to change the upward pressure on medical costs. In fact, as Keith Hennessey argues in a guest column at Business Insider, the bill in combination with the anticipated “doc fix”, it will substantially worsen the situation. CBO chief Douglas Elmendorf obliterates the Obama administration’s argument that the health-care cost issue was at the heart of the deficit crisis in the first place

HotAir.com

June 2, 2010

Obamacare’s True Costs Coming to Light

Remember how President Barack Obama promised that his health care plan would reduce the deficit and put us on a path towards fiscal responsibility? Remember how Congress kept gaming the system to come up with the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) score that could justify those claims? Well, now that Obamacare has become (hopefully only temporarily) the law of the land, the CBO is singing a slightly different tune. Last Friday CBO Director Doug Elmendorf wrote on his blog:

“The central challenge is straightforward and stark: The rising costs of health care will put tremendous pressure on the federal budget during the next few decades and beyond.”
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“In CBO’s judgment, the health legislation enacted earlier this year does not substantially diminish that pressure. In fact, CBO estimated that the health legislation will increase the federal budgetary commitment to health care (which CBO defines as the sum of net federal outlays for health programs and tax preferences for health care) by nearly $400 billion during the 2010-2019 period. Looking further ahead, CBO estimated that the legislation would reduce the federal budgetary commitment to health care in the following decade—if the provisions of the legislation remain unchanged throughout that entire period.”
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The Heritage Foundation
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The Obama Administration had no intention of keeping the provisions of the legislation - the cost saving cuts - unchanged throught that entire period. Obama was just gaming the system to pass bad legislation.

And to finally show you don't know what you are talking about or just choose to blindly follow behind Obama's madness and disseminate his nonsense:

Medicare Cuts. CBO and the Chief Actuary for the Medicare program have both stated that Medicare spending cuts cannot be counted twice—to pay for a new entitlement expansion and to claim that Medicare’s financial outlook has improved. But that is exactly what the proponents of the new legislation do. If the Medicare cuts and tax hikes for the hospital trust fund (about $400 billion over 10 years, according to CBO) are used solely to improve the capacity of the government to pay future Medicare claims, then the health law becomes a massive exercise in deficit spending.

The Heritage Foundation

 

[Trinity]

Actually I'm grateful for the presence of Trinity and others like him/her/them (whatever "Trinity" is) for bringing to the forefront the misinformed views of probably thousands like them, without which we'd not have the opportunity to debunk the propaganda and at least offer a different point of view.

Actually, you are the one bringing misinformed views to the forefront to be debunked. :wink:

 

[B_talltpaguy]

ooh look... Trinity has succeeded in hijacking its own thread from being about John Stewart's funny remarks about the oil spill response, to now being yet more incessant ranting about HCR.

Now that's what I call obsession... lolololololol

 

[Trinity]

ooh look... Trinity has succeeded in hijacking its own thread from being about John Stewart's funny remarks about the oil spill response, to now being yet more incessant ranting about HCR.

Now that's what I call obsession... lolololololol

Jon Stewart telling Obama to kick his own butt was funny however the basis for the humor is far from funny:

Spill Reveals Obama's Lack of Executive Experience

In mid-February 2008, fresh from winning a bunch of Super Tuesday primaries, Barack Obama granted an interview to "60 Minutes" correspondent Steve Croft. "When you sit down and you look at [your] resume," Croft said to Obama, "there's no executive experience, and in fact, correct if I'm wrong, the only thing that you've actually run was the Harvard Law Review."​

"Well, I've run my Senate office, and I've run this campaign," Obama said.

...it took the Department of Homeland Security more than a week to classify the spill as an event calling for the highest level of federal action. And when state officials in Louisiana tried over and over to win federal permission to build sand barriers to protect fragile coastal wetlands from the oil, they got nowhere. "For three weeks, as the giant slick crept closer to shore," the Times reports, "officials from the White House, Coast Guard, Army Corps of Engineers, Fish and Wildlife Service, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and Environmental Protection Agency debated the best approach."

Obama never found the best approach...and only held meetings so other people could tell him whose "ass" to kick because he has no idea...he didn't even fire the woman from MMS...he didn't know if she resigned or someone else fired her - But he's in control of the crisis. Obama 54 days into the spill still hadn't talked to the CEO of BP...but he's in control.

Obama has no idea what he's doing and it becomes more apparent everyday.
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