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Organized religion is a great hoax perpetrated on those who are superstitious and emotional.
One of my favorite lines from a song : “The process of belief is an elixir when you’re weak’
 

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You're missing the point on a variety of topics. Lame post.
Geeze Wally,that's a little hurtful. Didn't I mention small cocks in the eternal struggle against large cocks for their survival? I can work that into religion if you wish....even how some religions cut cocks, dip heads in water, face the East, worship crosses, right side up or wrong side down....yet who made the decision which way was up? I suppose Gravity. Unless your into a little B&D...hey Wall...nudge nudge...then the right way up is up side down.

Is that more up your alley? Or a where's Wally joke?

Love ya Wall.:heart:
 
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I remember when he said that we should have enforced monogamy.

I don't think he's a man to be taken seriously.
That.. and the trans hate. And the time he insulted a woman who happened to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated and she wasn't 100 lbs and insisted that she's NOT ATTRACTIVE.

A random thing about him that makes me chuckle when it shouldn't: a lot of his loudest defenders are the same people who piss and moan about credentials and claim academics are for weak fucks and bla bla look at my muscular tractor. I'm a BOY DAMON!

He intentionally perpetuates toxic genderism. Because he knows it's making money for him. He's no intellectual. He's just another fuckin con man who said very few things worth hearing and really, he wasn't the fuckin first to say them.

Fuck him and his shitty suits.
 

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Ooof, where do I begin. He's one of those people who explicitly cater to the Conservative/religious crowd. He'll say anything they want to hear, and never question typical Conservative ills such as: are they really conserving anything, are they questioning the ills of corporations enough, why push women into marriage and then unequivocally always blame women for being unhappy in a marriage and call them homewreckers for leaving an unhappy marriage.

But he's drunk on being the 'authority' and also a very clearly Canadian kind of drama, if you've dated enough Canucks or watched enough Canadian reality TV, you know the tone and the spiel. I finally made myself sit through his show for Tamara Lich and, like, how are you more agitated than Tamara Lich who as a woman was actually staring down everything that was handed to her? Drama queen much?

I'm the kind of guy he talks about, purports to help, and I think he has this incapability to get to the heart of the matter. If you don't actually know why incels are incels, or why 'soft' young men are 'soft', you don't have any useful suggestions to make. Even if he's sometimes, perhaps, maybe passable by today's standards, he would be a tool by older standards.

This whole masculinity thing is so tired and misguided. None of those who's blaming the soft men realize there are supplements that help, and it's also mostly a dietary issue (hint: the Donald Trump diet of McDonald's really helps me). I changed my diet and lots of my thoughts from a loving, not self-critical place, and nobody says I'm not man enough now.

So to respond to the OP: I don't think JP is the devil. However I dislike him just as much, for completely different reasons from why the Liberal Left don't like him. Life is a journey, and noone has the right to say there's only one right answer. Perhaps your takeaway is meant to be incel dropping dead halfway through a game (ooh look at my ignorance, I'm no gamer), perhaps you die the day you (sex and drug addict like Hunter B.) finally decide to get it together. We don't know what our soul came into this life to experience, and it's very shallow and disingenious to just have the default material world success answer of "you need to be what Conservatives call a man to marry a Conservative woman, and have children so they can supply slave labor to corporate behemoths, buy houses and cars so corporate can price gouge your eyes out." Jordan Peterson is not actually spiritual by any stretch of the word, because he only has these cultural portal types of answers for anything.

Was that a rant? I think I made several rants lol. I'm frustrated that people are all either very pro or very against him but neither side can seem to see the heart of the matter.
I want to be clear that I am not very pro, I simply believe he has a lot to offer. I think his fence sitting re god, his weird diet, climate change stance and those bloody supplements aren't helpful for his cause.
 

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That.. and the trans hate. And the time he insulted a woman who happened to be on the cover of Sports Illustrated and she wasn't 100 lbs and insisted that she's NOT ATTRACTIVE.

A random thing about him that makes me chuckle when it shouldn't: a lot of his loudest defenders are the same people who piss and moan about credentials and claim academics are for weak fucks and bla bla look at my muscular tractor. I'm a BOY DAMON!

He intentionally perpetuates toxic genderism. Because he knows it's making money for him. He's no intellectual. He's just another fuckin con man who said very few things worth hearing and really, he wasn't the fuckin first to say them.

Fuck him and his shitty suits.
It's ludicrous to say he isn't an intellectual. He has a professorship (or did) and is clearly incredibly well read re psychology. His knowledge base of psychological history and models is impressive. That said, I do think he is lazy when it comes to his political commentary and understanding of Marxism etc.

You can dislike him without making outright loony claims like him not being an intellectual. You dont get to where he has academically without being intellectual (unless you are one of those sociology/CTR/gender studies types ;) )
 

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From the top of my head: expressing doubt at the possibility of men and women coexisting in the work place.
He doesn't say that. He was taken out of context but I suspect many see thr headline comment and didn't look at the detail.

It is a pitfall of being precise in speech, people aren't nuanced enough to hear the context. (Not you).
 

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It's ludicrous to say he isn't an intellectual. He has a professorship (or did) and is clearly incredibly well read re psychology. His knowledge base of psychological history and models is impressive. That said, I do think he is lazy when it comes to his political commentary and understanding of Marxism etc.

You can dislike him without making outright loony claims like him not being an intellectual. You dont get to where he has academically without being intellectual (unless you are one of those sociology/CTR/gender studies types ;) )

He's an intellectual bigot misogynist. So I really don't care about his credentials. He uses them as an excuse to spread hate and have people take the shit he spews seriously.

I don't just dislike him. Fuck JP.

Anyway, I've made my points and I don't feel like debating about the dude. If you like him, you fuckin go for it. I'm be over here thinking less of him than he thinks of doctors who perform gender affirming care for their patients.
 

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He was great in the early days but essentially got attacked so much by the mainstream media that he ended up having a complete mental breakdown and then when he returned he became a Daily Wire talking head and has never been the same.
 

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Everything he says eventually leads to him supporting the status quo. He is anti-progressive though he couches that in sophistry meant to confuse his audience. Just watch his lecture about how serotonin affects lobsters and how he thinks that translates to human behavior.
 
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He was great in the early days but essentially got attacked so much by the mainstream media that he ended up having a complete mental breakdown and then when he returned he became a Daily Wire talking head and has never been the same.
He was moving to the right drastically way before that. He knows who butters his bread and says things he knows they will approve.
 
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Ooof, where do I begin. He's one of those people who explicitly cater to the Conservative/religious crowd. He'll say anything they want to hear, and never question typical Conservative ills such as: are they really conserving anything, are they questioning the ills of corporations enough, why push women into marriage and then unequivocally always blame women for being unhappy in a marriage and call them homewreckers for leaving an unhappy marriage.

But he's drunk on being the 'authority' and also a very clearly Canadian kind of drama, if you've dated enough Canucks or watched enough Canadian reality TV, you know the tone and the spiel. I finally made myself sit through his show for Tamara Lich and, like, how are you more agitated than Tamara Lich who as a woman was actually staring down everything that was handed to her? Drama queen much?

I'm the kind of guy he talks about, purports to help, and I think he has this incapability to get to the heart of the matter. If you don't actually know why incels are incels, or why 'soft' young men are 'soft', you don't have any useful suggestions to make. Even if he's sometimes, perhaps, maybe passable by today's standards, he would be a tool by older standards.

This whole masculinity thing is so tired and misguided. None of those who's blaming the soft men realize there are supplements that help, and it's also mostly a dietary issue (hint: the Donald Trump diet of McDonald's really helps me). I changed my diet and lots of my thoughts from a loving, not self-critical place, and nobody says I'm not man enough now.

So to respond to the OP: I don't think JP is the devil. However I dislike him just as much, for completely different reasons from why the Liberal Left don't like him. Life is a journey, and noone has the right to say there's only one right answer. Perhaps your takeaway is meant to be incel dropping dead halfway through a game (ooh look at my ignorance, I'm no gamer), perhaps you die the day you (sex and drug addict like Hunter B.) finally decide to get it together. We don't know what our soul came into this life to experience, and it's very shallow and disingenious to just have the default material world success answer of "you need to be what Conservatives call a man to marry a Conservative woman, and have children so they can supply slave labor to corporate behemoths, buy houses and cars so corporate can price gouge your eyes out." Jordan Peterson is not actually spiritual by any stretch of the word, because he only has these cultural portal types of answers for anything.

Was that a rant? I think I made several rants lol. I'm frustrated that people are all either very pro or very against him but neither side can seem to see the heart of the matter.
A pretty accurate rant at that.
 

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Are not familiar with the tale of Narcissus? You've misused that term. A narcissist does not hate oneself, they love themselves.
My take is that their external attempts to be the one and only hero in everybody's eyes are motivated by a more fundamental insecurity of self.
 
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He was great in the early days but essentially got attacked so much by the mainstream media that he ended up having a complete mental breakdown and then when he returned he became a Daily Wire talking head and has never been the same.
If you become a right-wing extremist because the media "attacked" you, then you were already a right-wing extremist.
 
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He doesn't say that. He was taken out of context but I suspect many see thr headline comment and didn't look at the detail.

It is a pitfall of being precise in speech, people aren't nuanced enough to hear the context. (Not you).
He works by suggestion. He never comes right out and says what he means. He suggests it with questions like this:

"Women wear makeup to mimic sexual arousal. So why does a woman wear makeup at work?"
 

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Are not familiar with the tale of Narcissus? You've misused that term. A narcissist does not hate oneself, they love themselves.
Not technically true. Psychologically they don't have a self, and the part that they do have they generally have deep self loathing for. The whole self grandiosity is generally a facade, removing it is rather dangerous for them and others.
 
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He works by suggestion. He never comes right out and says what he means. He suggests it with questions like this:

"Women wear makeup to mimic sexual arousal. So why does a woman wear makeup at work?"
Possibly though I don't like making false inferences of people's motivations preferring to stick to the facts of what a person said.

You can argue w the arousal point but asking a question is simply asking a question. If someone has a reason why someone would wear makeup at work then he is offering a chance to explain.

That's my viewpoint though, I try to be less cynical and assuming in my view of others motivations. Maybe that's naivety
 

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Are not familiar with the tale of Narcissus? You've misused that term. A narcissist does not hate oneself, they love themselves.
Someone who loves themselves does not behave in a way that makes the world around them validate that fact... It's the contrary, people who don't feel good about themselves ask the world to validate a delusion... Fake it till you become a narcissist... They have a very specific pattern of behaviour... And they are very hard to fix.

I also feel like not enough people talk about extroversion vs introversion...