Justice Stevens Retires

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  1. houtx48

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    Good news for Obama and libs in general. In Obama's first term, we're seeing him renew the liberal side of the court. My guess is that after Obama is reelected, he'll get to replace either Scalia or Thomas, if not both of them. Replacing either one of those hacks with a centrist will do wonders for the resulting logic of the court's decisions.
     
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    I believe he said he would retire this summer. I wish that Stevens had waited until after the November mid-term elections. The last thing we need right before is a bitter, partisan fight over whoever President Obama nominates. My hunch is the republicans will filibuster WHOEVER he nominates.
     
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    Wow, so he didn't wait to do it.
    This is going to make things interesting for sure. Does Sotomayor have a brother? :biggrin:
     
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    Hard the read the auguries on this one. The timing is really tight-- only a couple months between resignation and elections, but time to float some names and draw out the knee-jerk responses. The Party of No (which Newt points out is really the Party of Yes to Republican ideas) will make this another holy battle in the crusade against the "secular socialist machine." What did we do to be living in such interesting times?
     
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    It was JUST reported on MSNBC that the White house intends to make a nomination within the "Next few weeks"
     
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    That's good news, Industrialsize. Greg Sargent just suggest that Kagan, a former Harvard Law School dean whose record is (formerly) praised by conservatives seems to be the first name out for consideration. Let the Games begin!
     
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    I think they beat you to it.
     
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    What makes you think he will get to replace either of those two? They are relatively young (really relatively young in Thomas's case) and in good health. The next one to go in my opinion is Ginsburg-another liberal.
     
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    Well politically I can see why he retired this year. If the republicans gain Senate seats in November (as it appears likely at the moment) than it becomes ever harder to get a liberal "activist" in there.

    Obama can use this as an opportunity to help the dems in Nov. If he nominates someone a centrist and the Republicans filibuster (and I am sure that they WILL any nominee short of Limbaugh) then the independent voters get upset and take it out on the repubs in Nov- helping the dems.
     
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    ^I don't think that would work.. I don't think it would be difficult at all right now to 'Bork' a prospective jurist, if you know what you are doing... Especially with so many voters being rabidly anti-government anything. They're literally looking for infighting like this to justify their anger.


    Gah... Dunno why I said Thomas? I meant Kennedy.

    Both of those dudes will be 80 before Obama would leave office if re-elected. Odds are fairly high that one of them quits the court one way or another before then.

    And it's almost certainly a good thing for libs if Ginsburg retires while Obama is still in office. My guess is that if she started feeling her age and it looked like it might be a conservative who takes over in 2017, she would quit the year before, so that Obama picked her successor. (which could in turn give her considerable personal leverage with Obama over the traits of her replacement)
     
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    Countdown until someone in the thread starts bitching about "activist judges", a meaningless term showing their complete ignorance of the judicial system.
     
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    As much as I disagree with justice Scalia, the fact that his closest friend on the court is Ginsberg at least sugests that he is still a thinker who does not predicate his relationships on 100% agreement with his politics. I don't respect his opinions, but I won't belittle his personhood because I disagree
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    My impression is that judical activisim is politically charged code for judicial review. Accurate?
     
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    At this point it looks like it is going to another woman on the court...

    CNN has a list of possible nominees......I think Napatilano and Kagan are a hard sell. Granholm too but less so. I hope Obama is not stupid enough to nominate Holder

    I honestly think that he can get Garland or Wood through if they are presented right.

    I hope Obama picks a relatively young person (40-55) instead of the dinasours that democratic presidents usually tend to pick
     
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    As they should.

    Obama putting people on the supreme court means this fiasco of a presidency could have effects for decades.

    I know you feel differently so we'll have to check back with each other in 30 years and then you can apologize. :)
     
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    Yeah... such a "fiasco" when our president decides to put qualified, middle of the road judges in the supreme court such as Sotomayor. What makes anyone think he's going to scurry through the fringes to find some insanely radical person to take the place of Stevens?
     
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    How this- the selection of a replacement for Stevens, will go is clearly unknown. There is not always a tossing a fit when a person is nominated by the President and there have been times where the left has booed and hissed and kept things going for a long time- sometimes with success, as seen with Robert Bork, sometimes without, as seen with Clarence Thomas. Seeing as how the left as been known to carry on, it is unfitting to slander the right if they choose to do the same.

    On the matter of Stevens, he is viewed as fairly much on the left (liberal minded) even though he was appointed by a Republican (Ford) and categorizes himself as a Republican. Stevens has changed over his years on the Bench as has the Bench itself. Point being, a person can come on board as ultra-liberal and over the course of time, become more conservative both by nature and through a changing court. My political leanings have changed over time, whereas I was a liberal minded pre-teen/teen (mostly from what I was taught at home), I evolved into a more conservative individual, and have now drifted back towards center (although admittedly a little to the right on many issues, not all). People change and a Jurist will change. How much they change, is, of course unknown. Life experiences are the elements which create the change. A person who has been against the Death Penalty, can be found solidly in support of it after a family member is brutally murdered. A person against all abortion, can find the opposite thinking if their child or family member is impregnated through rape or a family member dies from pregnancy complications which an abortion might have kept from happening. People change.

    President Obama will most likely select someone who is either dead center or a little to the left. No President goes in with any desire to have a long heated series of debates being waged. He, and most others, would prefer a smooth process, something similar to what we had with Sotomayor.


    Going with what The President has exhibited in the way of sound judgement so far in (most of) his nominations, he will probably (hopefully) offer a man or woman with a non-controversial past. A lengthy process in getting a nominee selected can be used in either a positive and a negative manner for either side.


    What is most needed is a person with a firm understanding of law, who can keep their personal political leanings aside when makiing decisions.
     
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    Hillary Clinton for SCOTUS!
     
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    The Republican Noise Machine would go nuclear. They would did up all the crap they used during the Clinton era.
     
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