madame_zora
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Katrina And Me
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It just gets worse with every hour.
Whole town is under martial law. That might just be Jeffereson Parish though. I woulld think that if it were in Orleans and all those looters were still active, that there would be a shoot first - ask questions later...but who knows? When I talk looters, I don't mean people taking food or bottled water (or maybe even clothes). I mean TV's money, breaking into people's houses, etc...
At the Superdome, the shelter of last resort: More than 30,000 people are there now. It is also serving as the makeshift emergency care center and rescue workers have been dropping people off there.
At the Superdome, it's hot, humid, there's no power, hardly any food and no toilet facilities (and massive sewage backups) and two people have died (UNconfirmed reports that someone committed suicide by jumping off a balcony).
The gov. is trying to evacuate the city and people aren't going to be allowed back for at LEAST a month (probably more) at least in Orleans Parish.
There are at least 3 levee breaks around the city, the worst being in the middle of the city (sorta) and water is STILL rising (at least 9 feet last night).
FQ doesn't look like it's completely underwater at this point (some of it is actually at a high point in the city) but I saw around knee high water around Bienville maybe?
Rescue workers have been working through the night, I think trying to save people from the roofs of their homes or breaking through the roof to try to reach people, but there's only so much they can do without any lights.
I do think that some effort will be made to rebuild, but life will NEVER be the same again. There are SO many people without flood insurance, it's not funny...and many, many poor people only rent and live in semi-slum areas. The people who OWN those houses (if they have insurance) may rebuild, but the subsequent rents they will charge will be out of reach for those same poor people. I don't have the answers, but I see this whole thing and truly wonder at this point how things will ever get back to "normal". I'm sure the people in New York were thinking the same thing however...so maybe there is hope...?
Whole town is under martial law. That might just be Jeffereson Parish though. I woulld think that if it were in Orleans and all those looters were still active, that there would be a shoot first - ask questions later...but who knows? When I talk looters, I don't mean people taking food or bottled water (or maybe even clothes). I mean TV's money, breaking into people's houses, etc...
At the Superdome, the shelter of last resort: More than 30,000 people are there now. It is also serving as the makeshift emergency care center and rescue workers have been dropping people off there.
At the Superdome, it's hot, humid, there's no power, hardly any food and no toilet facilities (and massive sewage backups) and two people have died (UNconfirmed reports that someone committed suicide by jumping off a balcony).
The gov. is trying to evacuate the city and people aren't going to be allowed back for at LEAST a month (probably more) at least in Orleans Parish.
There are at least 3 levee breaks around the city, the worst being in the middle of the city (sorta) and water is STILL rising (at least 9 feet last night).
FQ doesn't look like it's completely underwater at this point (some of it is actually at a high point in the city) but I saw around knee high water around Bienville maybe?
Rescue workers have been working through the night, I think trying to save people from the roofs of their homes or breaking through the roof to try to reach people, but there's only so much they can do without any lights.
I do think that some effort will be made to rebuild, but life will NEVER be the same again. There are SO many people without flood insurance, it's not funny...and many, many poor people only rent and live in semi-slum areas. The people who OWN those houses (if they have insurance) may rebuild, but the subsequent rents they will charge will be out of reach for those same poor people. I don't have the answers, but I see this whole thing and truly wonder at this point how things will ever get back to "normal". I'm sure the people in New York were thinking the same thing however...so maybe there is hope...?
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I haven't been so profoundly saddened by news reports since the aftermath of 9/11. I don't even personally know anybody who lives in Louisiana or Mississippi, and still the news is absolutely heartbreaking. This morning I was listening to NPR while driving to work and they interviewed people going through awful straits -- a refugee with no job anymore and $80 to her name; a man whose mother died in New Orleans of natural causes last week and they have no idea where her body has gone amidst the flooding and destruction. It certainly has made me grateful for all that I have today.
I know that those most severely affected by the storm cannot read this now or anytime soon, but all of us are pulling for you.
Steve
I know that those most severely affected by the storm cannot read this now or anytime soon, but all of us are pulling for you.
Steve
Forgot to add in addition to the probably high loss of life and homes, people's livelihoods are absolutely destroyed by this disaster. Jobs...GONE. Tourism...GONE. Every casino in Gulfport and Biloxi is destroyed and that is lifeblood of Mississippi's economy. Even if people could come back, there is nothing to go back to...
I'm looking (desperately) for some hope people, and right now, I just don't see it.
I'm looking (desperately) for some hope people, and right now, I just don't see it.
So why aren't there more relief workers coming into the city to help people? I mean, I don't know if it is even possible, but just the lack of information is completely frustrating.
I'm sure it isn't the case, but it seems like some officials are just sitting on their hands while people are suffereing and dying.
I guess it's more than just buildings and structures. I'm not saying that I'm necessarily worried about the, but what they represent which is more than 14,000 lost jobs. I'm worried about ALL of it, not just people's lives, but their livlihoods as well. To me it's all overwhelming.
I'm sure it isn't the case, but it seems like some officials are just sitting on their hands while people are suffereing and dying.
I guess it's more than just buildings and structures. I'm not saying that I'm necessarily worried about the, but what they represent which is more than 14,000 lost jobs. I'm worried about ALL of it, not just people's lives, but their livlihoods as well. To me it's all overwhelming.
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A further update: the now 25,000+ refugees in the Superdome are being relocated to the Astrodome in Houston, TX. Governor Blanco says that she hopes this evacuation is completed within two days.
About the looting: it is going on virtually unchecked in Orleans parish. Several houses in the Garden District have been ransacked.
warmsunshine stated that it doesn't look like the French Quarter is completelu underwater. I don't know for sure, but seeing footage of rescue boats going down Bourbon St. and Dauphine St. suggests that there's a fair amount of water deep enough for boats in the Quarter.
And there's more bad news: Lake Pontchartrain has swelled to the point of bursting through its levee. Slidell is on one side of the lake and New Orleans is one the other. Because New Orleans is on lower ground, the basin is going to drain it that direction. I saw footage from Slidell today: the town seems pretty thoroughly levelled. Three trees went through the house of Slidell's mayor.
I wouldn't say that officials are sitting on their hands: there's so much to do, and so few to get it done.
And some really bad news: only about a quarter of the people who have lost their homes have flood insurance. Personally, I can't see living that close to the Gulf and not having flood insurance. Luckily, my brother has it.
About the looting: it is going on virtually unchecked in Orleans parish. Several houses in the Garden District have been ransacked.
warmsunshine stated that it doesn't look like the French Quarter is completelu underwater. I don't know for sure, but seeing footage of rescue boats going down Bourbon St. and Dauphine St. suggests that there's a fair amount of water deep enough for boats in the Quarter.
And there's more bad news: Lake Pontchartrain has swelled to the point of bursting through its levee. Slidell is on one side of the lake and New Orleans is one the other. Because New Orleans is on lower ground, the basin is going to drain it that direction. I saw footage from Slidell today: the town seems pretty thoroughly levelled. Three trees went through the house of Slidell's mayor.
I wouldn't say that officials are sitting on their hands: there's so much to do, and so few to get it done.
And some really bad news: only about a quarter of the people who have lost their homes have flood insurance. Personally, I can't see living that close to the Gulf and not having flood insurance. Luckily, my brother has it.
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I'm glad to hear you and your family are okay. I was wondering where you might be in LA and was concerned for your safety. The news coverage is devastating and depressing to watch. The Red Cross and other organizations in Colorado are asking for volunteers to help locally and are also organizing medical and professional rescue crews to come down to help out. They are also beginning to organized donation funds to aid with economic recovery. I would urge other members to check out their local organizations to find out how they can help.
Unfortunately, because of 9/11 our country has learned how to respond to disaster more efficiently. We'll hopefully start seeing some positive actions happening. Though, not to sound to Pollyanna, it is heart wrenching to hear people's stories about their losses.
Unfortunately, because of 9/11 our country has learned how to respond to disaster more efficiently. We'll hopefully start seeing some positive actions happening. Though, not to sound to Pollyanna, it is heart wrenching to hear people's stories about their losses.
Well, the Feds are on right now...promises, promises. I've tried to avoid being particularly critical of Bush's response to the crisis up to this point, but if the bullshit continues, I'm not going to be so sanguine about him.
They've talked about rescuing about 1500 people thus far? I guarentee you that there are TENS of thousands of people in the city that still need to be evacuated. and if the estimate that 20% of the population stayed in town that means more than 250,000 people!
In the other news dept: Looks like the Airport is starting to get things up and running for emergency services. A couple of runways anyway.
I just want to know where in the hell are people going to house more than 1.5 million people for 3-4 months? I don't think Perry(Gov, Texas) is going to be too happy with his visitors in a month when everyone starts complaining and I bet a bunch of people wind up being guests of Texas' prison system rather than Astrodome in the coming months.
Besides the Astrodome in Texas, the arena in downtown Baton Rouge is also being pressed into service as a temporary relief shelter (moving them from the local schools). Eventually they will all be moved to a tent city being set up outside of town (fairgrounds) on the outskirts of the city.
Well, all I can go by is the local (WWL on the web) and national news reports and video and the parts of the FQ that I saw had people walking from the Quarter to Canal St. and the water was at the worst knee-deep and at the best, ankle deep nearer the river. Maybe as you went north (near Armstrong Park) it was probably deeper, but I meant more of the stuff by Jackson Sq. and the surrounding blocks. I don't think the water was that deep by BSP, either...but who knows (I haven't seen any news crews go down that far east). I'm not that good at telling what I'm looking at from aerial shots, but there ARE some parts of New Orleans that aren't flooded at this point, but I couldn't tell you where they were.
I thought the same thing. One report on Monday stated that you couldn't tell where the lake ended and Slidell began, and that was by Primo also I think so I'm pretty sure my aunt's house was completely flooded. However today I know that Fox news had a reporter supposedly in Slidell (couldn't tell where though) and the streets were "dry" at that point. I think the water must have receeded significantly from that area because later they had a local police captain going to his house and he said that everything had been ruined by the flood, but he went into the house and the property was "dry" (which doesn't mean that everything wasn't ruined, but still at least he could get to his house at that point).
Well, Blanco had enough time on her hands to supposedly lead a prayer service in the middle of the morning. Not that I'm against prayer, but decisive I woudn't exactly call her by her showing on CNN and FOX this morning. More like hand-wringing is how she came across to me. Few people to get the job done? Are you talking about "officials" or relief workers (Police, Nat'l Guard, etc...)? Seems to be too few workers to me and there's no excuse for that.
They've talked about rescuing about 1500 people thus far? I guarentee you that there are TENS of thousands of people in the city that still need to be evacuated. and if the estimate that 20% of the population stayed in town that means more than 250,000 people!
In the other news dept: Looks like the Airport is starting to get things up and running for emergency services. A couple of runways anyway.
This is what pisses me off. What state (or city) is going to want to house people (and you know all the black stereotypes are coming out to play as the vast majority of the people that have been shown looting are black) who have been seen on National TV outright stealing stuff out of stores (and I'm not talking food / water / clothing) and homes? Who is going to want to donate time / money / resources. The people are inadvertently shooting themselves in the foot. Not that people aren't generous or anything, but I'm sure it's going to be particularly hard for people to be giving if all they see is this shit going on. Again, add to it that most of the victims are poor inner city dwellers....and I just don't know. I hope for the best though.
I just want to know where in the hell are people going to house more than 1.5 million people for 3-4 months? I don't think Perry(Gov, Texas) is going to be too happy with his visitors in a month when everyone starts complaining and I bet a bunch of people wind up being guests of Texas' prison system rather than Astrodome in the coming months.
Besides the Astrodome in Texas, the arena in downtown Baton Rouge is also being pressed into service as a temporary relief shelter (moving them from the local schools). Eventually they will all be moved to a tent city being set up outside of town (fairgrounds) on the outskirts of the city.
President Bush to be on TV this afternoon at 5pm. He spent 35 minutes on a flyby looking at the disasters in New Orleans and Mississippi.
How much time did he spend in New York, by the way? Didn't he actually VISIT the work there and speak? Argh...I'm trying sooo hard not to start lambasting him, but my resolve is weakening fast.
Mayor said it's likely 1000's are dead.
Seems like they are giving priorty to evacuating the hotels (tourists) and, I should say, people in hospitals.
I wonder if they will let the looters die?
How much time did he spend in New York, by the way? Didn't he actually VISIT the work there and speak? Argh...I'm trying sooo hard not to start lambasting him, but my resolve is weakening fast.
Mayor said it's likely 1000's are dead.
Seems like they are giving priorty to evacuating the hotels (tourists) and, I should say, people in hospitals.
I wonder if they will let the looters die?
Interesting note that I don't see pictures of looters (if there even are any) from any other hurricane hit city (Biloxi, Gulfport, etc). Those places just look deserted. Any comments on the dichotomy of looting (or the reports of it)?
Preface by saying that I'm sorry for making so many posts in a row, but the EDIT button disappeared on me:
Latest news:
Big fire at the Foot Locker on the corner of Bourbon and Canal. Water is now about a foot deep at that location.
Nursing Home residents somewhere didn't get evacuated like they were supposed to on Friday and no one has received their medication and four have died.
I applaud the rescue efforts, but helicoptors rescuing one person at a time just CAN'T cut it.
There are NO communications within the city, even among the police and rescue workers
Hundreds of people are on the 235 exit of I-10 - waiting to be evacuated / rescued (I'm not sure if there is a station with water or not..or if anyone else can get there). Trucks keep passing without stopping and it's hot, unsanitary and babies could literally be dying there as i type this. I got this from Fox's Shep Smith (one of the only likeable hosts on the station). You could hear the frustration and tears in his voice as he sees a 3 year old baby pass out from heat exaustion and dehydration in his mother's arms.
Latest news:
Big fire at the Foot Locker on the corner of Bourbon and Canal. Water is now about a foot deep at that location.
Nursing Home residents somewhere didn't get evacuated like they were supposed to on Friday and no one has received their medication and four have died.
I applaud the rescue efforts, but helicoptors rescuing one person at a time just CAN'T cut it.
There are NO communications within the city, even among the police and rescue workers
Hundreds of people are on the 235 exit of I-10 - waiting to be evacuated / rescued (I'm not sure if there is a station with water or not..or if anyone else can get there). Trucks keep passing without stopping and it's hot, unsanitary and babies could literally be dying there as i type this. I got this from Fox's Shep Smith (one of the only likeable hosts on the station). You could hear the frustration and tears in his voice as he sees a 3 year old baby pass out from heat exaustion and dehydration in his mother's arms.
DMW, you are the only one I could think of from the N.O. area and I thank God you and your brother are safe! I was going to post the other night but fortunately all we lost due to Katrina was power for a few hours. When Opal made her visit several years ago we were without electricity for several days.
I'm thankful though that I still have a home. So many down there don't.
I'm thankful though that I still have a home. So many down there don't.
Niggas in the N.O. are acting like pure breed monkeys. We're in the End days people. My Mad Max dreamland has arrived far sooner than expected.
Just a personal interjection here, I was walking through campus just a little while ago today and saw in our newpaper things all the front pages plastered with news on New Orleans and I had about 3 minutes to think about it on my walk to the Union and out front there was a group of students gathering donations for aid. Now of course I threw some cash in, but I just thought that it was great to see something setup for aid already, and I hope there are other people doing the same thing elsewhere around the country.
I haven't been watching CNN, but isn't it about time for that moron Pat Robertson to pop out of his shithole and blame Katrina on the gays and other debauched folk?
Someone has already beat him to the punch. Some televangelist . . . I can't tell you which because I don't follow them enough to be able to identify them by sight or sound . . . said that God chose to wipe New Orleans clean because Southern Decadence was only a week away. My question is if that were the case, why would he have waited for the 38th annual Southern Decadence? Surely he could've prevented the first one all those years ago if it upsets him so. Also, would a just God take out so many innocent people that had absolutely no connexion to Southern Decadence or New Orleans? And of course this preacher's congregation answered him with great cries of "Amen" and "Praise the Lord!"
Now about Dubya: I'm not a fan of his . . . far from it . . . but to be fair to him, he planned to go to New Orleans and was urged not to by Gov. Blanco and others. There's nothing he could do there and there are no facilities to receive him, not to mention, the police there already have their hands full. I will not fault him for conceding to the wishes of the Governor of the state.
A personal aside here: my New Orleans home is gone.
Well...it's not Pat Robertson but will this do?
Gays responsible for devestation to New Orleans
But what about the other cities? I suppose they were just unfortunate innocent bystanders in God's wrath, right? Sheesh.
By the way, some of the info I'm getting is coming from New Orleans' CBS affiliate. They are currently broadcasting online. You can reach the feed by going to http://www.wwltv.com/ and clicking the appropriate link.
They have pretty good local updates too
