Know Thyself.

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  1. SpoiledPrincess

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    My thread about honesty made IKnowKK post a thread about herself, and in turn that thread gave me the idea for this one.

    Wrey's comment about introspection made me wonder how people feel they 'got to know themselves', he said that most people are a little scared to look inside (I paraphrased) but I think that it's from looking outwards that we learn about ourselves not constantly examining our own motives and feelings. We all live in some sort of society, even someone who's the opposite of us we share more in common than we have differences, so I think that by observing and getting to know others we learn more about ourselves than we do by examining the singularity of ourselves.
     
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    Well said, SP.

    I think both are important. I was lucky enough to have had a life that exposed me to so many different kinds of people. My family was military and so was I when I was old enough. Anyway, this life made me realise that there are as many ways of being a human as there are humans drawing breath. My family impressed on me the idea that I should never turn anyone away for being different, in fact, I should seek them out! Learn everything that someone has to offer!

    My concept of introspection is thus colored by that outlook on life. When I look inside, I ask myself what do I have to offer? And am I offering it? Am I adding more than I am taking away?

    BTW. Thank you for taking my post seriously enough to begin a thread. That was very flattering. :wink: :rolleyes:
     
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    i agree sp
     
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    Interesting you posted this. A lot of people think I am false and "up to something" by not fighting or getting angry and always trying to find the good in all people and things. This came after years in a cutthroat corporate position. I was ruthless, spoke my mind, even destroyed that which I felt I could not command. I pretty much cared for no one but myself.

    I lost my corporate position in 2000. A victim of the tech bubble bursting. One day I had a book full of good contacts, the next they were also out of work. I was seeing my high lifestyle threatened. Girlfriend left me (no reason to stay, she took up with another moneyed player) and I suffered a massive blackout due to my blood pressure spiking. I spent two weeks in the hospital and in that time, only three people of the hundreds I knew came to see me. One of those people hit me with cold hard truth about how I was seen in the world. It was my wake up call.

    I set about changing my ways. Becoming a more peacable person. I consulted a Buddhist monk to find inner peace. I went through much pen and ink in my journals and at the end of 2003, I was the man I am now. No longer ranting and raving, and more concerned with others than myself. Not totally slelfless, but not selfish either. I got my soulmate, I got my family. I now have solid true friends, I have a community I am known and respected in and I always give back. The best thing that came out of this though is my daughter. That was the culmination of it all.

    So yes SP, you have to look outwards, but sometimes it takes a friend to act as mirror for us to finally get the picture.
     
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    Some people don't seem to understand Osiris that you can make your point without getting angry about it, and those are the kind of people who will accuse others of being false, they're so eaten up inside that they can't stand to see other people controlling their feelings not letting their feelings control them.
     
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    drama queens they need to have drama to feed off of instead of just being calm on things
     
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    OSIRIS: Your three friends weren't a little pale and only visited you at night by chance?

    So much like A Christmas Carol. Sure you're name's not Ebeneezer?
     
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    All right now... this thread is taking some very odd turns given SP's original question.
     
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    :biggrin1: No it's not. The three friends were my cousin, my now wife, and my ex-boss who was my mirror. Only the wife is ghostly pale. :wink:

    That said, Wrey is right, back on track everyone.
     
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    People who are thought of as 'enlightened' seem to go one of two ways, they sit around meditating introspectively, or they go out doing good works, although my good works are few and far between I definitely think we learn about ourselves through watching other people and by watching ourselves through the mirror of their eyes (oddly Osiris used mirror in his post), how we really are is reflected back to us by how people react to us.
     
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    It's a funny thing.

    I have always been the least introspective person ever.
    So many of my friends and the people I know had such a better understanding of themselves than me.

    But it is only so long that you can keep up the ostrich position (head in the sand!). Things came to a head for me a few years back with too many 16 hr days (I was in the corporate world too, Osiris) and some tragic events happening to close friends. Since then I made the decision to get my life straight and focus on life rather than work.

    Now that I have a life, I have become more introspective. Not deliberately I don't think, but in this 'journey' of mine, there were some things that I had to own up to.

    Since then I have learnt a lot about myself which I can now put out to those I meet and be an even better, more balanced person.

    Also, throughout the 'trip' I have met so many interesting people all over the world, as I have also taken to time to travel.

    These people too, and you lot, have taught me much about myself. It has not been through introspection alone. But learning about others and therefore understanding a little bit more about oneself!

    In short (I really need to practise that, don't I! LOL) I agree, it is not only through introspection that one can grow. But living, sharing, giving and learning.
     
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    Well, if you felt you had no introspective skills, my dear, you seem to have come a long way. :wink:

     
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    You've described the eastern and western paths of mysticism.

    The east seeks to strip the external to the exclusion of the internal with goal of spiritual salvation.

    The west seeks to strip the internal to the exclusion of the external with the goal of spiritual salvation.

    Both ways are valid though I think it very difficult for those of the west to truly understand the eastern and vice versa. Cultural perspective is not easily overcome, if ever.

    There's more I want to say here so I apologize if this is a non sequiter. Just thinking very carefully of what it is and if I want to share it.
     
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    Personally I think the Western path is a more sure route, Buddha could have sat under that tree for ever but unless he'd experienced the things that set him on his path sitting contemplating his navel for a lifetime wouldn't have worked.
     
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    I got to know myself through my interactions with other people. For example... you can't know good unless you know evil, you can't know happy unless you know sad... and after meeting people everyday throughout my life, I've learned about myself. I know where I stand with who I am. I know what is important to me. I know what I live for.
     
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    Internal reflection and external inspection. The balance in between the two is called inner peace.
     
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    I've gotten to know myself through so many means. I think all ways to get to know yourself are good and different things work for different people.

    For me I was brought up in a religion and went to religious schools where we spent a lot of time getting to know not only the religion, but ourselves.

    I continued my own spiritual quest using many tools not the least of which were, hypnotherapy, tarot, runes, ouija board, scrying in crystals, astrology, meditation, prayer, retreats, drug induced mind-altered states, guided imagery, and lots of rituals (many different kinds).

    Also, I've been in psychotherapy since I was 23, so that makes 14 years. It's yet another tool to get to know myself better.

    I've been attending 12-step groups since I was 25, so that makes 12 years and they have been invaluable for self-discovery.

    And, getting an education beyond high school was a good way to get to know myself too. I've had 10 years of school beyond high school and none of it's a waste.

    Writing poetry, painting, sculpting, knitting, crocheting, drawing, etc. have been good means to explore myself.

    Also reading books and thinking about them has helped. Discussing books with people works too. And studying philosophy has helped immensely.

    Living my life to its fullest, exercising, dancing, going out with friends, dating, keeping up with family, engaging in society, have been excellent ways to get to know myself.

    Travel has been great too.

    Work has been another good means for helping me to get to know myself. I've had many different kinds of jobs over the years, both paid and non-paid (volunteer) and they've all informed me about myself.

    Having sex and making love have been great teachers too.

    I've been told I'm highly introspective by supervisors, friends, relatives, teachers, religious leaders, and lovers.

    I love what I do for a living, psychotherapist by trade, because how I do it I'm always working on myself because I'm forced to work on my own issues before I can even hope to help guide anyone else through theirs.

    I feel I've led a very blessed life. Not an easy life, but I've had a blessed life.
     
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    I think the greatest aid to me getting to know myself was my intense nosiness and ability to get people to answer the most inappropriate questions :)
     
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    This I understand. I got a little lost in SP's original post. :redface:
     
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    I find online people get a lot "madder" than they would normally would. but it is also easier to come across as aggressive if youre misinterpreted. I find alot of people feel they are able to be more open about themselves online but as much as these people are comfortable being real there are alot of people who enjoy being a fictitious character.
     
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