Korean Pride and Shame - VA Shooting

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...and the few creepy groups of guys who play soldier in the woods claiming to be private militias have never ceased to frighten me when I see them interviewed.

We've got more than our share of these clowns around Oregon and they never fail to frighten me as well. Any time a group of disgruntled rednecks dresses up in camouflage and brandishes weapons I get nervous. When they award themselves military titles and appoint themselves the enforcers of their interpretation of the Constitution I get even more nervous. Any legitimate armed force, police or military, must be accountable to democratically elected civilian oversight. These self-appointed militia clowns are not.
 

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I was born in the US. I grew up in the US. I have lived in the US for almost 49 years. I have never shot anything but paper targets. What an idiotic thing for you to say.

I was merely proving a point that the reason he commited those acts
wasn't because he was Korean.

But, how is it that these kind of Mass shootings happen in countries with
an over abundance of Guns ?? Yes they happen in all parts of the world,
but The U.S. seems to have more than their fair share.

And as for Canada having more guns per capita, thats bull shit.
(Unless you consider all the black market guns that come from your country into ours......)

Amen and pass the ammo
 

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The vast majority of firearms in Canada are rifles and shotguns.
Most of these firearms reside in rural areas and are used in hunting, animal/pest control, and for home security. But don't tell the authorities you need the gun for home security if you ever want to legally own a gun.


Handguns are fairly restricted and therefore rare (less than a million?). Concealed carry permits are virtually non-existent. Illegal handguns are a relatively new urban development. It's generally believed they get smuggled here mainly from the USA.

Our population was approx. 31 million compared to approx. 285 million in the USA in 2002.
Safety Canada, January 2002

The US has over three times the number of guns per capita as Canada; the number of handguns per capita is 63.3 times higher. The rate of murders with firearms in the US is eight times higher than Canada; there were 549 homicides in Canada in 1998, compared to 17,874 in the US. Americans are twice as likely to commit suicide with a firearm as Canadians. In addition, murders without guns are almost twice as high in the US.
Research and Statistics Division, Department of Justice Canada (Kwing Hung), June 2001




posted in 2002
GPC Study On Firearms in Canada

Highlights:

* There are an estimated 7.9 million firearms in Canada.
* The vast majority of firearm owners have either rifles (74%) or shotguns (71%). One-in-ten (11%) owners indicated they owned a handgun.
* The top three percent of firearm owners hold approximately 15% of all firearms or, on average, 15.5 firearms per owner. The same group owns more than one third of all handguns in the country. For the remainder of the firearm-owning population, the mean number of firearms owned is 2.74.
* A small group of firearm owners owns a disproportionate number of the total firearms.
For example, one respondent indicated that he had a collection of 302 rifles while another said he owned 201 shotguns.
* More than half of Canada’s firearms can be found in Ontario (32%) and Quebec (24%), followed by British Columbia (14%). However, the North, the Atlantic Provinces, Manitoba and Saskatchewan have the most firearms per capita.
* Eight percent of respondents said they intended to disable or divest themselves of some or all of their firearms in the next two years. About one quarter (25%) of those intending to dispose of or disable their firearms intend to turn them over to the police.
* Almost two thirds (61%) indicate that they use their firearm very infrequently (once a year or less) or never, compared to under half (43%) who said the same in a 1999 survey.
* There are 1.14 firearm owners per firearm owning household.

About the study:
In the fall of 2001, GPC Research contacted 21,650 Canadians, achieving a sample size of over 3,000 firearm owners, for the purpose of establishing an updated estimate of the total number of firearms in Canada. A survey of this magnitude has an accompanying margin of error of +/-2.06% at the national level, with a 95% confidence level.




 

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About the study:
In the fall of 2001, GPC Research contacted 21,650 Canadians, achieving a sample size of over 3,000 firearm owners, for the purpose of establishing an updated estimate of the total number of firearms in Canada. A survey of this magnitude has an accompanying margin of error of +/-2.06% at the national level, with a 95% confidence level.

But in 2001, Canada was just sinking into the mire of its grossly expensive and, particularly in the west, unpopular effort to register guns. A survey relying on voluntary answers of the respondents is almost certain to give a ridiculous underestimate of numbers, and a terrific overestimate of those planning to "dispose" of their guns.
 

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But, how is it that these kind of Mass shootings happen in countries with
an over abundance of Guns ?? Yes they happen in all parts of the world,
but The U.S. seems to have more than their fair share.

You're just digging yourself in deeper. "Over abundance"? By what measure? "More than their fair share"? What would the "fair share" be?

Recall that in Rwanda, they did a pretty good job of massacring each other, and they didn't need any guns to do it. Unless you can argue that getting one's head lopped off with a machete is a better way to go than being shot, your reliance on "shooting" as the measure of social depravity is not very useful.

The US murder rate is, by worldwide standards, middling. Even in North America, it's an in-betweener; much higher than Canada's, much lower than Mexico's. The correlation of these rates with quantities of guns is very weak.

The parts of the US with the highest ratios of gun ownership are also the parts with the lowest crime rates.
 

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[/indent]But in 2001, Canada was just sinking into the mire of its grossly expensive and, particularly in the west, unpopular effort to register guns. A survey relying on voluntary answers of the respondents is almost certain to give a ridiculous underestimate of numbers, and a terrific overestimate of those planning to "dispose" of their guns.

Those political aspects might have affected some of the respondents' honesty, but this study held enough merit for it to be posted by our national police force on the RCMP website. I don't accept the margin of error they claim, either. It can't be dismissed outright, even if it underestimates the total.

Estimates of total number of firearms in Canada (registered or not) seem to vary from about 8 million to 11 million, with almost 90% being long barrel arms (rifles, shotguns)

My intent was to counter the notion that Canadians are even close to having the number of firearms per capita as the USA. There's no similarity.
 

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The parts of the US with the highest ratios of gun ownership are also the parts with the lowest crime rates.

Some of your last post made sense BD... but this? Please show me what year it was that the crime rate in Detroit was lower than it was in San Luis Obispo.