Lack of action for Gulf disappointing

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  1. B_starinvestor

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    Just wondering where all the telethon benefits with celebrities & musicians giving speeches on the poor fisherman, wildlife, beaches, job losses, out-of-business restaurants, shrimp exports & sabotaged Gulf economy? It's odd that these peeps are so quick to help Haiti & other countries...but demonstrate a remarkable apathy and malaise when it comes to assisting our own...

    Where's Clooney? Robbins? Sarandon?

    Where's Sean Penn? Hanoi Jane?

    Pretty sad state of affairs.
     
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    It must be because they hate America....
     
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    Don't be stupid and demagogic, they don't hate America. The first to offer substantial financial help should be BP and Washington. In spite of what Obama says at press conferences he is actually doing little to challenge the untouchables. Perhaps if the First Lady directed her time and resources to organizing fund raising then the wrongly villified would be only too happy to contribute their time and talents.
     
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    Although that is a good idea, it is the deep pocketed oil companies which have been apathetic and reckless as they didn't bother to have emergency plans on hand to prevent oil spills in case of a catastrophic accident. In light of this laxity and their extreme wealth derived from oil, oil companies should be subject to mandatory, stringent safety regulations and pay into a legal liability fund in order to do any offshore drilling. They should offer to assist B.P. in its effort stop the oil spill and sequester as much oil as they can instead of letting it go to waste and poison the Gulf.

    B.P. has pledged that it will pay oil clean up costs, which include reimbursement of the U.S. government for its oil clean up costs and compensation for persons affected by environmental damage. This prolonged disaster has shown Congress the legal liability cap, which it set for oil companies following the Exxon Valdez disaster of 1989, needs to be raised as this present disaster has caused even more environmental damage than was caused in 1989. Even more frightening ,for us all, is the possibility that B.P. may be unable to stop the oil spill.



    Congress studies new liability limits for oil spills - International Business Times
     
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    Starinvestor....

    Meet Starinvestor talking about Sanjay Gupta...
    and about Al Franken...
    Shall we change your name to "starhypocrite"? :rolleyes:
     
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    What are you doing about helping those poor folk that are being hurt? Besides crying about what some other peep isn't doing?
     
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    He's telling everyone to purchase BP stock, remember?
    http://www.lpsg.org/187014-bp-is-a-good-buy.html

    So classy, ain't he? :biggrin1: :rolleyes:
     
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    Well if those dumb ass shimpers would just put their relief checks into BP stock and prudently cover their asses with some puts, they wouldn't need any help now would they? Why don't they just call their brokers and modify their investment plans instead of whining about BP and Obama?
     
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    They haven't returned my texts yet, but I'll let you know when they do.
     
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    Sounds just like US healthcare! Were back to the strange fact of international health charities running clinics in the US.

    I doubt that is fair. No one has any real idea how to clean up oil, so theres not much you can prepare.

    As to the first, they are, arent they? if not, maybe thats a matter for the US government to sort out. As to extreme wealth, well not really. Would you rather right now BP was a non profit making company?

    I think if they had any idea what to do better than BP they would have taken over by now. Truth is, they dont.
     
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    When B.P. got its permit for offshore oil drilling in the Gulf it assured the U.S. government offshore oil drilling was safe, so safe that no oil from their activities would ever reach the Gulf coasts. B.P. could have been prepared if it had the right safety equipment on hand to prevent this disaster. However B.P., Transocean and Halliburton, being aware that their safety precaution equipment was not functioning, decided to proceed oil drilling anyway - with catastrophic results.

    Post this disaster, the findings of the Inspector General's investigations into the office of the M.M.S. , whose inspectors inspect the oil company safety precautions, were reviewed again. The investigators found M.M.S. employees fraternized with and received gifts from the oil industry and inspectors didn't always do their duty. Cases were discovered in which M.M.S. officials didn't inspect, but let oil companies give them safety reports in pencil. Then the inspectors traced over the forms in pen and submitted them.

    MMS employees in Louisiana admit accepting gifts from oil and gas companies (5/25/10) -- GovExec.com


    FT.com / Companies / Oil & Gas - MMS admits shortcomings in BP spill


    Having the oil companies pay into a legal liability fund wasn't about having them operate on a non profit basis. As oil companies have money enough to influence politicians and employees of the Dept. of Interior's Mineral and Management Service with, I would rather have them pay such funds into a legal liability fund and be strictly regulated instead, as oil industry activities present potential environmental hazards.

    Oil, Saltwater, and Corrupt Politicians!
     
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    I was actually just discussing this with a friend recently. Not sure if its like a fine line between supporting victims and not properly condemning BP or what.

    The problem here is there's a "bad guy." In cases like Katrina or AIDS or hunger in Africa there's no clearly defined culprit, so it's stupid easy for celebrities to come out and show support and appear politically and humanly aware without risking seeming opposed to something. Particularly an oil industry that likely has its hands in the pockets of a music industry that's on the ropes and needs capital wherever it can get it.
     
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    I dont have any problem about how anyone thinks oil drilling ought to be regulated, but you just said the government people who were responsible for inspecting and checking, didnt. Thats not the fault of BP but of the government. Obviously if it is true in this case, it will be true in lots of others. It is a plain fact that sooner or later something will go wrong, it always does. It is another plain fact that any company in any business will promise you a perfect job, every time. It is a normal thing to say and once again obviously cannot be true. Someone posted there have been 35,000 wells drilled in the gulf of mexico. Quite a good safety record then? Or maybe not? odds on winning the national lottery are 1/100,000,000 or so but people still think it is going to happen. Wonder why no one was expecting a big oil spill all down their coast when they agreed to the drilling? Perhaps they were.
     
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    good point, Qua.
     
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    Perhaps the other problem here is that there is a good guy. BP has rather a lot of money and there is still some prospect it will pay for the damage done. So no need to raise money. Hard to sue a hurricane. You are right: fundamentally everyone agrees the oil companies are the good guys because they are bringing home the oil which everyone must have. Oil drilling is not going to be stopped, nor are leaks. Oil drilling will only stop when there is nowhere left to look for it. The oil industry does not have to bribe anyone that drilling must continue.
     
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    The theme is the same - most (99%) of celebrities are complete jackasses with no idea about the real world. When they do facilitate fundraising events, etc., it is always plagued by in-fighting, drama and misappropriated funds, etc. When they get into politics it's even more of a circus.

    I don't see anything hypocritical about the quotes you cited here.

    They scream and cry about drilling in Alaska to protect the environment. But when the environment gets raped by BP's gaffe they sit on their hands? WTF?

    There are your hypocrites.:wink:
     
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    That because you have your usual political blinders on.
    Here you are in this thread, criticizing celebrities for supposedly not getting involved and voicing their opinion on political matters... meanwhile, when people have done it in the past you were quick to call them a bunch of names and yell bloody murder. You can't just pick and choose when it's appropriate for celebrities to chime in on these matters. Nor can you criticize them for not being as vocal as you'd expect them to be when you have been vehemently against anyone with celebrity stature speaking about matters surrounding our government. Therein lies the hypocrisy.

    And BTW... there have been celebrity opinion on the subject matter. Tom Green, Howard Stern, Robert Redford, James Cameron, Elayne Boosler and others have chimed in on the subject. Their comments and blog posts can be found with a simple Google search. So once again, you're crowing phony outrage, telling lies and taking a completely hypocritical stance on this issue.

    And for what? Because you hate Obama. :rolleyes:
    See help, star. Hating someone this much isn't healthy. It grays your hair, and it makes your dick shrink.
     
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    Sorry, Star. Not to hijack your thread, but the idea that you mentioned Hanoi Jane in the OP has me rolling on the floor. You're like . . . what? 35 years-old? What would you know about Hanoi Jane? It's not like you were even born before that road side distraction of the Viet Nam "conflict." Sorry, but I find it terribly funny.
     
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    Of course he labeled you hypocritical as in the past you ranted about celebrity points of view. IYO they were idiots and therefore their opinions weren't worthy of consideration. E.g. you called Matt Damon a "blithering idiot" and "eternal fool" for his criticism of Sarah Palin. Yet clearly all your storm and angst had naught to do with a celebrity's intelligence, but typically appeared when someone's opinion and political ideology differed from yours. 2

    N.B. Had the celebrities in question been conservative, with views that aligned with yours, such as Ronald Reagan, you'd be singing their praises.

    http://www.lpsg.org/102607-blithering-idiot-matt-damon.html




    Ooh! Another starinvestor vs starinvestor gem::biggrin1:






    BTW Kevin Costner is a celebrity who has been quite outspoken about the environmental damage caused by oil industry disasters. His concern for the environment led him to invest in the creation of a device which helps clean up oil spills by separating oil from water. He volunteered to send 32 of these devices to the Gulf to assist in the oil clean up and B.P. accepted his offer. Each device is said to have the ability to collect 3,000 gallons of oil per day.


    http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Political-Spin-Examiner~y2010m6d10-Actor-Kevin-Costner-deploys-32-of-his-companys-devices-to-help-clean-up-Gulf-oil-spill-Video
     
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    I've noticed that all the liberal-uber-biased media had to offer today, was Obama has now been there 4 times now... "President Obama, now on his 4th trip to the gulf". Wow, props to Gibbs and Obama press corps for force feeding the media the talking points. Curious how Al Gore feels about the carbon footprints all those pointless shittard photo-ops have caused...
     
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