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laimbeer: funny. i was just having the same conversation with a bunch of platonic female friends (i work in a 90% female office). one made the point that there's an ideal for everyday use, and an ideal for a one-night-stand. turns out i'm too short in both respects (just under nine), but undesirably thick (8 1/4 around). it made me laugh, but a bit melancholy, too. there's something powerful about being someone's fantasy ideal in any respect, and something deflating about realizing she might find another more ideal.