Largest March on Washington

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Yeah, as i said, way short of two million. People pulled together by groups opposed to laws regulating tobacco, evidence ofglobal warming, and one organization which holds that Bush was too "timid" on countries sponsoring terrorism by not "eliminating" these "regimes". Sounds like a real fun group.
 

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No, im not saying that. I own a leather got damn jacket but none the less groups like those should be legal. Not all lobbying groups pay politicians.

"Lobbying is the practice of influencing decisions made by government for the benefit of its citizens (in groups or individually). It includes all attempts to influence legislators and officials, whether by other legislators,
constituents, or organized groups.Many jurisdictions, in response to concerns of corruption, require the formal registration of lobbyists who come in contact with government representatives. Since 1995, under the federal Lobbying Disclosure Act most people who are paid to make direct "lobbying contacts" with members of Congress and officials of the federal executive branch are required to register and file reports twice a year. If lobbyists neglect to register, they are susceptible to criminal charges and harsh penalties. However, there are ongoing conflicts between organizations that wish to impose greater restrictions on lobbying activities, and groups that argue that such restrictions infringe on the right to petition government officials, which is a right guaranteed by the First Amendment to the United States Constitution."

Lobbying - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And there you have it. Lets amend the constitution
 

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2) Lobbying is illegal. If I offer someone with authority money to do something for me it's called a bribe...i.e., a crime, not a slush fund, not a campaign contribution...it's a fucking bribe. Businesses and interest groups own way too much of our government to really make it for the people and by the people. I don't think lobbying should be illegal. Lobbying for big buisiness and the lobbyist groups they finance should. PETA, Labor Unions, and the ACLU are ok.


I can't believe that even YOU can't see your own hypocrisy here. Basically, you are saying "if I agree with the lobby, they are okay, if not, they are illegal."
Come on, don't make your self look so biased.


If you look at the original post, I never said: "I don't think lobbying should be illegal. Loggying for big business and the lobbyist groups they finance should. PETA, Labor Unions, and the ACLU are ok." What are you the fucking New York Post and Rush Limbaugh rolled into one? You just add what you want and make the rest of it up to suit your own argument? :rolleyes:
 

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If you look at the original post, I never said: "I don't think lobbying should be illegal. Loggying for big business and the lobbyist groups they finance should. PETA, Labor Unions, and the ACLU are ok." What are you the fucking New York Post and Rush Limbaugh rolled into one? You just add what you want and make the rest of it up to suit your own argument? :rolleyes:

I was quoting Romette, who replied to your post. The bold is not mine, it is what she added.

You should look through the posts before you go off. Get your facts straight. I know that is hard for your type.
 

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You should look through the posts before you go off. Get your facts straight. I know that is hard for your type.

Yeah! Like when you start threads about 1.5-2 million protesters in Washington!

I decided to cite a UK newspaper website, to avoid the politicization of this report, since FoxNews, etc would be dismissed by many. .

Today, estimates show that nearly TWO MILLION people marched on Washington today to protest Obama, his mandates, and Pelosi.

So, while many of you on this board cite a "lunatic fringe," that opposed Obama, I think this public display shows that this viewpoint is not some extremist "fringe" viewpoint.

Up to two million march to US Capitol to protest against Obama's spending in 'tea-party' demonstration | Mail Online

Oh, and it's two million that showed up, not two million "Mickey Mouses" that ACORN registered for the event.

:tongue:
 
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:rolleyes:

Move along, people...nothing to see here.

Just a toad puffing himself up to appear more significant than he really is.


Matt Kibbe, president of FreedomWorks, the group that organized the event, said on stage at the rally Saturday that ABC News was reporting that 1 million to 1.5 million people were in attendance. At no time did ABC News, or its affiliates, report a number anywhere near as large.

ABCNews.com reported an approximate figure of 60,000 to 70,000 protesters, attributed to the Washington, D.C., fire department. In its reports, ABC News Radio described the crowd as "tens of thousands."
 

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I simply posted a link to a news report.

Again, I prove my point (about Romette making the addition to the post) and the libs go into attack mode. typical

First of all, Skippy, I'm not a Lib. I'm an Anarchist. Yeah, really.

Second of all, you went to great pains in the OP to attempt to remove yourself from any political bias by quoting a British news source, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it was completely factually incorrect in its headline, because, I guess, no one in the world media has any interest in presenting a slanted or biased perspective on news from America :rolleyes:

Not being content to merely link the article with erroneous information, you summarized it this way:

Today, estimates show that nearly TWO MILLION people marched on Washington today to protest Obama, his mandates, and Pelosi.

So, while many of you on this board cite a "lunatic fringe," that opposed Obama, I think this public display shows that this viewpoint is not some extremist "fringe" viewpoint.
Paraphrased: such an overwhelming demonstration is mainstream, not some astroturfed, right-wing fringe thing.

Let's put all this into some much-needed perspective.

The population of the country is 304,059,724. Two million is 0.657% of that figure. 125,225,901 Americans voted in the 2008 presidential election; two million is 1.59% of that figure. Statistically, these figures are incredibly insignificant, though if they were accurate, they would show that the organizers could really rally a large crowd and might be impressive. In reality, the 70,000 (to be generous) demonstrators is about 28% of the 250,000 people who turned out for Gay Pride in Washington in 2006.

But your lack of perspective really shows when figuring what impact half of the two million you quoted would do to a city like Washington DC, with a population of 591,833, almost tripling its entire population in just a few hours.

Don't you think that a traffic snarl of of that magnitude would have been a huge story? How could the police have coped with it? Where would they have all used the toilet?

Are you really so sheltered and have so little experience in worldly matters that such thoughts never entered your mind, Skippy? Your need for validation and being part of something bigger than whatever pathetic little life you lead really overstepped your common sense. And that is giving you credit for having any.

You jumped the gun and made an error in presenting such obviously false information as factual, compounded it with smarmy comments and threw it out like a spitball at this community which you hold in such utter, obvious blind contempt. But like spitting into the wind, it's come back to glaze your forehead, making you look foolish in the process.

Give it a rest, Skippy. Your further attempts at justifying this thread just bury you even deeper in the acrid odor of the poor judgment you showed in the first place by posting it.

Now go pull up your socks and have a good cry.
 

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This is just a small quote from Nate Silver on his FiveThirtyEight blog post titled Size Matters; So Do Lies:

But yesterday, someone told a real whopper. ABC News, citing the DC fire department, reported that between 60,000 and 70,000 people had attended the tea party rally at the Capitol. By the time this figure reached Michelle Malkin, however, it had been blown up to 2,000,000. There is a big difference, obviously, between 70,000 and 2,000,000. That's not a twofold or threefold exaggeration -- it's roughly a thirty-fold exaggeration.

The way this false estimate came into being is relatively simple: Matt Kibbe, the president of FreedomWorks, lied, claiming that ABC News had reported numbers of between 1.0 and 1.5 million when they never did anything of the sort. A few tweets later, the numbers had been exaggerated still further to 2 million. Kibbe wasn't "in error", as Malkin gently puts it. He lied. He did the equivalent of telling people that his penis is 53 inches long. [:biggrin1: -UB]

Malkin, who to her credit later corrected the error, frets that it might be used to by liberals to "discredit the undeniably massive turnout". She's right to be worried -- it absolutely will be used that way. If you don't want to be discredited, then don't, as Kibbe did, tell a ridiculous (and easily disprovable) lie.
 
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Ah. A conservative activist from "Freedomworks" is spreading misinformation, saying that ABC quoted the protest crowd size as between 1 and 1.5 million attendees -- when in reality, ABC had quoted between 60 and 70,000.

Protest Crowd Size Estimate Falsely Attributed to ABC News - ABC News


The original ABC article read:

Carrying signs depicting President Obama as Adolf Hitler and the Joker, and chanting slogans such as "'No big government" and "Obamacare makes me sick," approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department.

Organized by FreedomWorks, a conservative activist group led by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, many of the protestors were affiliated with the Tea Party movement...

Tea Party Protesters March on Washington - ABC News


How do conservative activists make the leap from 60 or 70 thousand attendees -- to 1 and a half million? These guys accuse Obama of mishandling large sums of money, yet they can't even seem to get small sums correct.




This energized "grassroots' march attracted about 1/8th of the average number of people that annually attend a run-of-the-mill Gay Pride Parade event in West Hollywood.

To put it in perspective.
 

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Just more lies from the "right"...

It's ironic that it is Republican Congressman Wilson that called Obama a liar. When it is the "right" that has consistently lied... and continues to do so.

WMD's in Iraq
Saddam == Osama
"We'll be greeted as liberators when we invade Iraq"
"We do not torture"
We do not illegally wiretap domestically
"Wait until 9/12 and you'll see millions of people protesting"
"It's not just us (white) republicans, it's lots of folks"
"Wait until the 2010 elections, then you will see"
Honorable Sotomayor is a racist and will destroy the Supreme Court.
Tax cuts for the richest 1% will fix the economy.

You guys are crying wolf way too many times. May I suggest a local community education program to occupy your time, or take up a sport or hobby? Because you guys aren't doing so well with your "predictions"


Ah. A conservative activist from "Freedomworks" is spreading misinformation, saying that ABC quoted the protest crowd size as between 1 and 1.5 million attendees -- when in reality, ABC had quoted between 60 and 70,000.

Protest Crowd Size Estimate Falsely Attributed to ABC News - ABC News


The original ABC article read:

Carrying signs depicting President Obama as Adolf Hitler and the Joker, and chanting slogans such as "'No big government" and "Obamacare makes me sick," approximately 60,000 to 70,000 people flooded Pennsylvania Ave, according to the Washington DC Fire Department.

Organized by FreedomWorks, a conservative activist group led by former House Majority Leader Dick Armey, many of the protestors were affiliated with the Tea Party movement...

Tea Party Protesters March on Washington - ABC News


How do conservative activists make the leap from 60 or 70 thousand attendees -- to 1 and a half million? These guys accuse Obama of mishandling large sums of money, yet they can't even seem to get small sums correct.




This energized "grassroots' march attracted about 1/8th of the average number of people that annually attend a run-of-the-mill Gay Pride Parade event in West Hollywood.

To put it in perspective.