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...is like saying Jews for Hitler.

Mostly white people at the “Latino” rally today in Phoenix.

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Trump is polling very well among Latino voters in Nevada and more importantly Florida. While Biden has had an edge, he has not "closed the deal" and is behind by several points in some areas. This could be a crucial difference. Trump does not have to win all of the Latino vote, but he is positioned to win enough of it to hurt. It's a problem.
 

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That's a ridiculous analogy. If you're supposing that taking hardline immigration restricting stances, allying with American cultural conservatives, and giving breaks to the rich rather than supporting civil services readily sums to an "anti-Latin" platform, then you are probably pretty confused, and are oversimplifying the breadth experiences of Latin-Americans in the USA. None of this will be an obstacle to a Latino who is well off and a moderately patriotic American citizen. The fact that many Latins are socially conservative often helps shift the way political support falls as well.
 

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Also, its unclear to me why you brought up that many of the attendees read as White. It certainly is not rare for Latins to pass as White. Just think of Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio. It's even arguable whether those categories are mutually exclusive. The US Census treats "Hispanic or Latino" as an ethnicity, rather than a race, which is not at all an unusual way to view the matter.
 

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Trump is polling very well among Latino voters in Nevada and more importantly Florida. While Biden has had an edge, he has not "closed the deal" and is behind by several points in some areas. This could be a crucial difference. Trump does not have to win all of the Latino vote, but he is positioned to win enough of it to hurt. It's a problem.

Yeah. Go figure. MEANWHILE:

‘This is f---ing crazy’: Florida Latinos swamped by wild conspiracy theories - POLITICO
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Massachusetts is locking up more Black and Latino people, for longer, and yes, it's about race
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An ICE Nurse Revealed That A Georgia Detention Center Is Performing Mass Hysterectomies
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Despite Trump's Anti stance for anyone who isn't white. I find it strange how so many will support him and the republican party.

Well, we have "Gays for Trump" and "Blacks for Trump" too, and imo they all share a common peculiarity in that regard. I have some pretty definite opinions re. that sort, but best I keep it to myself.

Take for example the report below which, if only mildly true smacks of shit right out of Hitler's Nazi Germany. I'm guessing maybe the gay's, blacks, and Latinos for Trump believe he and his supremacists are going to reserve a special place for them in their new REICH (though I'll not venture to speculate exactly WHERE that "place" might BE):


'Like an experimental concentration camp': AOC leads calls for investigation into whistleblower complaint that doctors performed hysterectomies on migrant women | The Independent

Democratic representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has said that the US needs to “atone” for human rights violations, in response to allegations of abuse against migrants from an Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) whistleblower.

On Monday, Dawn Wooten, a nurse at the Irwin County Detention Centre (ICDC) in Georgia, filed a complaint alongside advocacy groups including, Project South, to the Office of the inspector general (OIG) at the Department of Homeland Security, according to Law and Crime.

In the complaint, Ms Wooten claimed that there was “jarring medical neglect” at the facility, and said that several Spanish-speaking women had come forward to Project South to report what they felt was an excessive amount of female detainees forced into having hysterectomies, which involves removing part of or all of the uterus, according to the BBC.

“Recently, a detained immigrant told Project South that she talked to five different women detained at ICDC between October and December 2019 who had a hysterectomy done,” the complaint read.

“When she (Ms Wooten) talked to them about the surgery, the women reacted confused when explaining why they had one done. The woman told Project South that it was as though the women were trying to tell themselves 'it’s going to be OK.’”

Speaking about the detainees’ confusion around the surgery, Ms Wooten wrote in the complaint: “When I met all these women who had had surgeries, I thought this was like an experimental concentration camp. It was like they’re experimenting with our bodies.”

The complaint also noted that officials at the detention facility had refused to test detainees for Covid-19, “who have been exposed to the virus and are symptomatic,” and accused them of shredding “medical requests submitted by detained immigrants, and fabricating medical records.”

Responding to the report on Twitter, Ms Ocasio-Cortez wrote: “The fact of the matter is the United States has engaged in a program of mass human rights violations targeting immigrants.

“This includes mass child separation, systemic sexual assault of people in detention, kangaroo-court procedures, & more. Our country must atone for it all.”

Democratic senator Ed Markey tweeted: “Abolish ICE” in reference to the report, while Democratic representative Mark Pocan wrote: “This is horrifying. Forced sterilizations are eugenics & a human rights abuse that must be fully investigated immediately.”
 
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I dont find it that surprising. Many in the latino community come from a religious background with very conservative views on ProLife/ProChoice issues, as well as strong opinions on marriage and sexuality.

And the latino communities are very diverse over the country. FL is a completely different latino ballgame than say Arizona or Nevada. FL has more of the cuban/puerto rican influence which has strong anti-socialism views because of the influence of Castro. Arizona latinos are diverse. I know quite a few who are for the border wall and get angry at those who come here illegally. But then there are others who didn't come across the border...the border went across them. So they have generations of family in place.
You cant define "latinos for trump" as just one group anymore with one agenda. They are just as diverse as the variations of white people in the country.
 

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Also, its unclear to me why you brought up that many of the attendees read as White. It certainly is not rare for Latins to pass as White. Just think of Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio. It's even arguable whether those categories are mutually exclusive. The US Census treats "Hispanic or Latino" as an ethnicity, rather than a race, which is not at all an unusual way to view the matter.
Most latinos identify as white anyway. Even one with clear african ancestry identify as such
 

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I totally get that, but you'd think that they would oppose a group of people or a political organization that would deport them all if they could have their way. But like others have said. They identify with being white so I guess it's not surprising.
 
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Most latinos identify as white anyway. Even one with clear african ancestry identify as such

That's an interesting point. I think that depends on the particular culture. Like, Argentinians are an example of a Latin culture where White identity is very common, but Mexicans would be an example where it is less so.
 
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I totally get that, but you'd think that they would oppose a group of people or a political organization that would deport them all if they could have their way. But like others have said. They identify with being white so I guess it's not surprising.

I don't know that it translates to the US as well. There are racial categories in the discourse on race that would be favored in certain Latin countries (Mexico being an example; it appears that most Mexicans will favor identifying as Mestizo over identifying as White) but that are not included in the US Census as options. For example, there is no option for identifying as Mestizo in the US census. Also keep in mind that "Hispanic or Latino" is treated as an ethnicity rather than a race. So after a Latino identifies as such, he or she is still faced with the question of what his or her race is. With no option for Mestizo or Mulatto, they are forced to choose from White, Black, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, or Mixed. It's entirely conceivable that many Latinos would favor Mestizo if given the option, but if not given the option, would favor White, for whatever reason.

Also, there is no major political organization that would deport all Hispanics / Latinos from the USA if given the option. That's just an outrageous notion. There are some in the GOP who would deport all illegal immigrants if given the option. And many US Latinos wouldn't be particularly bothered by all illegal immigrants being deported.
 
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Not surprised. I think just like Black Families, there are plenty of Latino families that do align with Conservative values as far as tradition, religion, etc which by itself is enough of a pull.

I think the main barrier Republicans have to recruiting more Black voters is their refusal to address implicit and explicit racism through their platform. I'm not Latino and I know more that lean left than right, but it's definitely not as clear cut as the left is more likely to be lgbt friendly than the right, or less patriotic but that's the perception and I think once that belief is set in, it's very easy to find examples that support the stereotypes.

Hence why I think politics itself is the biggest scam, at least within America, but that's just me.

Anywhos, This november will be pretty interesting lol
 

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I don't know that it translates to the US as well. There are racial categories in the discourse on race that would be favored in certain Latin countries (Mexico being an example; it appears that most Mexicans will favor identifying as Mestizo over identifying as White) but that are not included in the US Census as options. For example, there is no option for identifying as Mestizo in the US census. Also keep in mind that "Hispanic or Latino" is treated as an ethnicity rather than a race. So after a Latino identifies as such, he or she is still faced with the question of what his or her race is. With no option for Mestizo or Mulatto, they are forced to choose from White, Black, Asian, Pacific Islander, Native American, or Mixed. It's entirely conceivable that many Latinos would favor Mestizo if given the option, but if not given the option, would favor White, for whatever reason.

Also, there is no major political organization that would deport all Hispanics / Latinos from the USA if given the option. That's just an outrageous notion. There are some in the GOP who would deport all illegal immigrants if given the option. And many US Latinos wouldn't be particularly bothered by all illegal immigrants being deported.

On many government and company forms. There is always a field for Latino/Hispanic. So the option is there if they so choose. Truth is many Latinos identify with being white. Which is okay and doesn’t really matter at the end of the day. Most probably have white ancestry.

The Republican Party in particular would love to deport all Latinos in America. Let’s not pretend that people are really out here making some sort of differentiation Between citizens and immigrants. That’s mainly because racism overrides logic in America.
 

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On many government and company forms. There is always a field for Latino/Hispanic. So the option is there if they so choose.

On the US census, they are treated as different categorical classes. "White", "Black", "Asian", and so forth are treated as races. "Hispanic" and "Latino" are treated as ethnicities. So, for someone to give a complete answer on the census to the race and ethnicity question, they have to provide both White and Hispanic, or Black and Latino, or Asian and non-Hispanic, or whatever other combination. So to suggest they could choose Hispanic/Latino instead of White makes no sense.

Additionally, what you said overlooks the question of what would be chosen if given the option of White or Mestizo. Because that option is not provided on the census.

Truth is many Latinos identify with being white.

That's not in question. What is in question are assertions like "Most Latinos identify as White." This sort of assertion does not line up well with surveys of racial identity in many Latin American countries.

Most probably have white ancestry.

That's irrelevant. A little bit of this or a little bit of that in one's family tree has never had much determining force in one's racial identification. The one exception to that was the "one drop rule". Which, mind you, was a rule that restricted White identity, rather than broadened it, as you seem to want to do.

Given that the Latin racial schema has specific terms for specific racial mixes (e.g. mestizo, mulatto, zambo, etc), it really wouldn't even make sense to suppose that a Latino who is 9/16th Spanish and 7/16th Amerindian would necessarily identify as White. He/she may as well identify as Mestizo (note that is how he/she would have been identified in the casta system).

The Republican Party in particular would love to deport all Latinos in America.

Nonsense. Society would rapidly collapse if any demographic of that size were removed, and everyone knows that.
 
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That's an interesting point. I think that depends on the particular culture. Like, Argentinians are an example of a Latin culture where White identity is very common, but Mexicans would be an example where it is less so.
I highly doubt it, even black puerto ricans identify as white.
 
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On the US census, they are treated as different categorical classes. "White", "Black", "Asian", and so forth are treated as races. "Hispanic" and "Latino" are treated as ethnicities. So, for someone to give a complete answer on the census to the race and ethnicity question, they have to provide both White and Hispanic, or Black and Latino, or Asian and non-Hispanic, or whatever other combination. So to suggest they could choose Hispanic/Latino instead of White makes no sense.

Additionally, what you said overlooks the question of what would be chosen if given the option of White or Mestizo. Because that option is not provided on the census.



That's not in question. What is in question are assertions like "Most Latinos identify as White." This sort of assertion does not line up well with surveys of racial identity in many Latin American countries.



That's irrelevant. A little bit of this or a little bit of that in one's family tree has never had much determining force in one's racial identification. The one exception to that was the "one drop rule". Which, mind you, was a rule that restricted White identity, rather than broadened it, as you seem to want to do.

Given that the Latin racial schema has specific terms for specific racial mixes (e.g. mestizo, mulatto, zambo, etc), it really wouldn't even make sense to suppose that a Latino who is 9/16th Spanish and 7/16th Amerindian would necessarily identify as White. He/she may as well identify as Mestizo (note that is how he/she would have been identified in the casta system).



Nonsense. Society would rapidly collapse if any demographic of that size were removed, and everyone knows that.

I can see where this is going. We aren’t going to drift this conversation into a part two of our previous discussion. Hispanic/Latino has always been a categorized option. I’m not sure where you’re getting this misguided belief that it’s not. We aren’t posing a question of other countries. We’re talking about the Latino community in the US. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Latinos in the US identify as being Mestizo. Farther more who are you to say what someone should identify as. This isn’t the 1920s. Someone being 8/16 anything doesn’t take away from how they identify.You and I both know that republicans and those that are in control of that party would love nothing but to deport every Hispanic person in the US. Look what Donald Trump did to those children. It doesn’t matter the repercussions. That’s why I said racism overrides logic in the US.
 

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Desperate Donald, losing Latino support, spews lies by tweeting manipulated Biden video

As Joe Biden unveiled his detailed plan for Puerto Rico at an Hispanic Heritage Month event in Kissimmee, Florida, Donald Trump got into the act by once again using Twitter to spread the very “fake news” he spews about.

Desperation and deception go hand in hand. Makes you wonder what internal polls are telling the Liar-in-Chief.

The good news is that Trump no longer has carte blanche to do the dirty dance he’s known for. Twitter, facing a lot of pressure from media accuracy groups and individual users, is now tagging Trump’s fakes as “manipulated media.”

The bad news is that simply putting a tiny “manipulated media” tag on a tweet doesn’t prevent it from being spread like a vile virus. They need to be taken down as soon as he posts them.
meanwhile:

House Democrats Demand Investigation Into Claims Of Excessive Hysterectomies On ICE Detainees | HuffPost

 
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Desperate Donald, losing Latino support, spews lies by tweeting manipulated Biden video

As Joe Biden unveiled his detailed plan for Puerto Rico at an Hispanic Heritage Month event in Kissimmee, Florida, Donald Trump got into the act by once again using Twitter to spread the very “fake news” he spews about.

Desperation and deception go hand in hand. Makes you wonder what internal polls are telling the Liar-in-Chief.

The good news is that Trump no longer has carte blanche to do the dirty dance he’s known for. Twitter, facing a lot of pressure from media accuracy groups and individual users, is now tagging Trump’s fakes as “manipulated media.”

The bad news is that simply putting a tiny “manipulated media” tag on a tweet doesn’t prevent it from being spread like a vile virus. They need to be taken down as soon as he posts them.


powerful message. Some old dementia riddled guy playing a song he's never heard of to a group he knows nothing about in a language he doesn't understand.
 
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