Nigel Atkinson
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They show 12% of the African American population voting for Trump. Do you have numbers from 2016 showing it’s doubled since then ?
Biden had 90% support of black women vs Trump's 9% support: from the WP exit polls:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elec.../exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/
That 9% obtained by Trump was larger than his 2016 result with that demographic by a mere 8% - meaning both Hillary and Biden were overwhelmingly supported by this group.
Black men supporting biden was higher than latinas, so im not sure why you wouldnt mention that? Black men are the second highest biden supporters, 18% means nothing to 82%. Why does a minority of black men distinguish the majority and yes black women support doubled.
Biden was a sponsor of the crime bill and has several negative things to say about black men.
Except it did in 2016 he had 4% of black wm he now has 8%Biden had 90% support of black women vs Trump's 9% support: from the WP exit polls:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elec.../exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/
^^That 9% obtained by Trump was larger than his 2016 result with that demographic by a mere 8% - meaning both Hillary and Biden were overwhelmingly supported by this group.
Hence Trump's support DID NOT double for Black Women in 2020 by comparison with 2016.
Nope, many black leaders admitted to being pressured by the into supporting.Well, it so happened that 1994 crime bill Trump's shills like to invoke, happened to be also supported by many black leaders at the time. In hindsight, most have come to realize that it caused more harm than good.
Look, you seem to be trying to split hairs here by bringing up all kinds of things that don't change the basic argument.
And all I'm trying to do is understand (like many OTHERS who've written of it in numerous articles, some cited herein) WHY people (of any gender or ethnicity for that matter) vote in support of someone whose rhetoric and policy making has been harmful, either directly or indirectly, to the WHOLE.
As such, I think my speculation (and I did warn in advance that it was JUST that) was a whole lot kinder than say, Natalie Morales, who said certain segments of the community were just BRAINWASHED. I would think trying to understand the causes and logic behind it would be PREFERABLE than just blowing it off as "brainwashing."
Case in point, many on the left (and herein) have expressed numerous concerns about Trump's attempts to disenfranchise Dreamers, and his horrific "zero tolerance" immigration policies of family separation, misplaced parents, and caged children, about which someone earlier said "they don't even care."
To which I PERSONALLY have to wonder, What kind of message does that send to those of us who DO?
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Trump went up with support regardless of gender with every demographic, except white men.Biden had majority support from every ethnicity (even if divided by gender) except for whites.
Biden also had the overwhelmingly majority of college educated voters except for white males.
Nope, many black leaders admitted to being pressured by the into supporting.
As someone mentioned earlier not ever latino man is an illegal or cares about illegals.
2. Most cubans pass as white some I'm not sure what your talking about. You act as if each latino looks like a person of color. As someone mentioned before many look like white people and can easily pass.1. That's bullshit: Analysis: Black Leaders Supported Clinton's Crime Bill
2. And someone asked that someone if he thinks his legal status would prevent hateful TRUMP inspired bigots from seeing/TREATING him the same, REGARDLESS.
A quote from my previous article.1. That's bullshit: Analysis: Black Leaders Supported Clinton's Crime Bill
2. And someone asked that someone if he thinks his legal status would prevent hateful TRUMP inspired bigots from seeing/TREATING him the same, REGARDLESS.
2. Most cubans pass as white some I'm not sure what your talking about. You act as if each latino looks like a person of color. As someone mentioned before many look like white people and can easily pass.
1.Black Caucus yields on crime bill
Opinion | Did Blacks Really Endorse the 1994 Crime Bill? (Published 2016)
A quote from my previous article.
Yet the historical record reveals a different story. Instead of being the unintended consequence of the democratic process at work, punitive crime policy is a result of a process of selectively hearing black voices on the question of crime.
There’s no question that by the early 1990s, blacks wanted an immediate response to the crime, violence and drug markets in their communities. But even at the time, many were asking for something different from the crime bill. Calls for tough sentencing and police protection were paired with calls for full employment, quality education and drug treatment, and criticism of police brutality.
Where did i dismiss trump? Both are equal to me.Oh. Okay. So if you can "pass for white," no problem, f(orget) the rest. gotcha.
Doesn't change the fact that many Black leaders supported it. Your own article above confirms that. But I sure find it funny how you can dredge up a 26 year old crime bill that had unintended consequences in an effort to put that all on Biden while dismissing all the s--------- Trump has done and said.
Police brutality you say? The Obama/Biden administration and their AG reached about a dozen Consent Decrees with police departments found to be engaged in civil rights violations. YOUR boy Trump and his henchmen didn't come up with ONE. Nada.
Trump's scrapping of Obama-era reforms hinders police reform | US policing | The Guardian
Where did i dismiss trump? Both are equal to me.
Obama was president when travyon martin, tamir rice, eric garner, and more occured. What exactly changed or hope did obama bring? His reform didn't stop police from killing black people.
Also my articles also assert the cbc was forced to accept what was given due to political pressure even though they wanted funds for drug prevention, job creation, and educational opportunities. They wouldn't listen and only funded prisons, militarization of police force. How is this true support when 12 dissented and the rest were forced to agree or else nothing was going to be done?
Trump isn't my boy, I'd voted for biden even though i don't like him.
Yes for the white passing latinos they think like this why is this sentiment off, you act as if people care about others that don't have to do with them.
2. Most cubans pass as white some I'm not sure what your talking about. You act as if each latino looks like a person of color. As someone mentioned before many look like white people and can easily pass.
1.Black Caucus yields on crime bill
Opinion | Did Blacks Really Endorse the 1994 Crime Bill? (Published 2016)
Trump went up with support regardless of gender with every demographic, except white men.
Yes, asian, hispanic, black and other minorities except white women voted heavily for biden.The increase isn't that significant. Trump doubled his black female and LGBT+ voters, but the vast majority still voted for Biden (and more people in general voted).
Except it did in 2016 he had 4% of black wm he now has 8%
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elec.../exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/
^^None of what you are stating alters the fact that Trump lost bigly to Biden in the black voter demographic for both sexes. In the Trump vs Biden contest, black male voter demographic, Trump only got 19% of that vote compared with Biden's 79%. Thus that demographic largely supported Biden - but Trump had sowed the seeds of his own destruction with that group and caused his own downfall. Cry baby sour lime Trump needs to grow up and conceed his elction defeat to Biden.
Wtf are you talking about i acknowledge he didn't get the majority and im not upset at that. He got 18 not 19https://www.washingtonpost.com/elec.../exit-polls/presidential-election-exit-polls/
^^None of what you are stating alters the fact that Trump lost bigly to Biden in the black voter demographic for both sexes. In the Trump vs Biden contest, black male voter demographic, Trump only got 19% of that vote compared with Biden's 79%. Thus that demographic largely supported Biden - but Trump had sowed the seeds of his own destruction with that group and caused his own downfall. Cry baby sour lime Trump needs to grow up and conceed his elction defeat to Biden.