Lawsuit Filed Against Obama:Citizenship Ineligibility

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  1. Trinity

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    Times Herald
    Born in the U.S.A.? - excerpt
    By: KEITH PHUCAS, Times Herald Staff
    08/25/2008


    PHILADELPHIA - A Lafayette Hill attorney filed a lawsuit in federal court Thursday challenging Sen. Barack Obama's claim to United States citizenship. The action seeks to remove the Democratic candidate from the November ballot.
    To be eligible to serve as U.S. president, a person must be born in this country. According to Obama's birth certificate, which his campaign posted on its Internet site in June to quell rumors that he is foreign born, the Illinois senator was born in Hawaii on Aug. 6, 1961.
    On Thursday, Philip Berg filed a temporary restraining order in federal court to bar Obama from running for president, claiming the Democratic candidate was actually born in Africa.
    "We really don't believe he was born in Hawaii," Berg said. "We think he was born in Kenya."


    /The lawsuit claims three "independent" document forensic experts performed extensive tests on the digitally-scanned image of Obama's "Certificate of Live Birth" posted on the campaign's site and found the document to be "a forgery."
    Jerome Corsi, author of the book, "The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics and the Cult of Personality," has also deemed the birth certificate phony, according to The Annenberg Political Fact Check, FactCheck.org.
    The Annenberg Political Fact Check, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center of the University of Pennsylvania, aims to expose deception and confusion in U.S. politics.
    Recently, FactCheck.org staffers "touched, examined and photographed" the original birth certificate kept at the Obama campaign headquarters in Chicago and concluded the document is genuine.
    "The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.," FactCheck.org staffers concluded.


    /The civil suit filed by Berg will be reviewed by the U.S. Federal Election Commission, according to Patty Hartman, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

    Certificate of Live Birth analysis - ObamaCrimes.com

    Factcheck.org credibility in question - ObamaCrimes.com


    For Immediate Release: - 09/24/08
    Obama & DNC Hide Behind Legal Issues While Betraying Public in not Producing a Certified Copy of Obama’s “Vault” Birth Certificate and Oath of Allegiance

    Country is Headed to a Constitutional Crisis
    (Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania – 09/24/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama’s lack of “qualifications” to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and Democratic National Committee [DNC] filed a Joint Motion to Dismiss on the last day to file a response, for the obvious purpose of delaying Court action in the case of Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.

    Their joint motion indicates a concerted effort to avoid the truth by delaying the judicial process, although legal, by not resolving the issue presented: that is, whether Barack Obama was “natural born.”
    It is obvious that Obama was born in Kenya and does not meet the “qualifications” to be President of the United States pursuant to our United States Constitution. Obama cannot produce a certified copy of his “Vault” [original long version] Birth Certificate from Hawaii because it does not exist.

    DNC Chairperson Howard Dean should resign as he has not and is not fulfilling his responsibility of seeing that a “qualified” candidate is on the ballot as the Democratic candidate for President of the United States.
    Berg stated that a response will be made in the next few days to their Motion to Dismiss.

    - Philip J. Berg/ObamaCrimes.com

     
  2. Industrialsize

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    You ARE desparate.........that story is soooooooooooo OLD and has been thoroughly vetted and debunked...........I see you've chosen a reputable new source for your citation.......OBAMACRIMES.COM ? Good grief........as to the lawsuit.......anyone can file a lawsuit against anyone for anything.......Let's see how long it takes for the court to throw this out..........(was Mccain born in the USA or the panama Canal Zone?)
     
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    Trinity, you never disappoint. This is even more desperate and preposterous than the shit that you have previous posted. What's next? "Obama ran drug ring in Chicago"? "Obama implicated in murder of John Lennon"?

    Your post is also a lame attempt to distract from the very real question whether John McCain, who was born in the Panama Canal Zone (and born there before the law was passed that made children of US citizens born there themselves US citizens), satisfies the Constitutional requirement of being a "natural-born citizen."
     
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    Yes, the lawsuit was filed back in August, however the Obama Campaign and the DNC just filed in response to the lawsuit. The lawyer who filed the lawsuit created a website ObamaCrimes.com to put up his information on the lawsuit.
     
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    So Trinity.........you can't beat Obama on the ISSUES.....so you throw this tired old smokescreen about his birth certificate up??? Sounds like desparation.
     
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    No, there is a lawsuit that challenges Obama's eligibility to run.

    As you well know, this matter has been discussed on the Daily KOS:

    -If Berg's wrong on this legal point, and Obama can prove his birth in Hawaii, even assuming Berg is not thrown out on his ear for lack of standing, because Obama has more money than Berg has (as Denny Crane would argue is the basis of most court decisions) or whatever, Berg loses on the merits.

    If Berg is CORRECT on this legal point, then Obama might have to show that he, or his mother, took the Oath of Allegiance. As those things are recorded and the records kept at the consulate, etc., it ought to be pretty easy for Obama to do. But if he did not, then maybe he has a problem.


    My own take, therefore, is that:
    1. Berg's probably wrong about Obama's birthplace, although it is not unreasonable to require Obama to prove it, with a birth certificate with a shiny gold seal, certified by an appropriate officer, etc.
    1. If, however remote the possibility, Berg is correct on the factual issue that Obama was born in Kenya (or elsewhere outside the US), my semi-learned view is that Berg would be right on the law -- because of his mother's age at the time of his birth, Obama did not get his mother's US citizenship if born abroad.
    1. I am completely unconvinced by Berg's lukewarm assertion that dual or multiple citizenships is, of itself, a disqualification to be President.
    1. Obama's (probable) birth in Hawaii, while probably indispensable to his eligibility (see 2 above) might not be dispositive. The issue of possible loss of citizenship due to his mother's re-marriage and expatriation must be looked at. Better lawyers than Berg, I'm sure, have erred as to which rules were in effect at precisely which point in time. I would, again, be surprised if the state of the law alleged by Berg persisted as late as the late 1960s, but it's not on its face a ridiculous assertion to make (although personally, I wouldn't want MY lawyer making it, particularly in a federal court, without the research being carefully done in advance).
    1. The question is, therefore, was it truly the law c. 1967 that mother and child lost US citizenship (subject to recovery, by taking an Oath of Allegiance) upon the mother's re-marriage to a foreigner, and her relocation abroad with the minor child (of whom she was the custodial parent)? If that rule, which probably DID obtain at SOME TIME in the past, remained in place at the time of Obama's move with his mother to Indonesia, Berg may have a respectable argument. In which event, presumably Obama would have to show that Mom took the Oath of Allegiance and recovered US citizenship while he was young enough that his status followed hers, or that he did so on his own, I would think after he reached the age of 18.
    1. If Berg is wrong on this legal point, then if Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is kosher, I'll see y'all at the Inauguration, and Berg may get slapped with "Rule 11" sanctions.
    So, I'm in agreement with Berg on (2), not wholly convinced he's wrong regarding (4-5), but -- whatever his personal motives -- agree that I'd prefer this stuff to be finally determined BEFORE the general election season. - Il Pugnale di Chicolini, posted at the Daily KOS website
     
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    You sound even more DESPARATE!.........this "kerfluffle" is cooked!....whats the first line of your Signature........Aim High!? Time to come out of the gutter Trinity.
     
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    Claim: John McCain does not qualify as a natural born citizen of the U.S. because he was born in Panama.

    Status: Undetermined

    John McCain was conferred U.S. citizenship by a 1937 law. Professor T. Gabriel Chin notes that this law came too late for him as McCain was born in 1936 and hence doesn't meet the "natural born" requirement of the constitutional text.

    snopes.com: Is John McCain a natural-born citizen of the U.S.?

    A lawsuit challenging Senator McCain's standing is pending in Federal District Court in Concord New Hampshire.


    http://www.fredhollander.com/McCain Complaint.pdf



     
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    why why Why Why WHY

    Haven't the mods put a muzzle on this rabid dog? It's like crotch-itch. You can't ignore it away, you have to apply cream, deal with it head on.
     
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    The Republicans wish they could remove Obama from the ballot. That's the only way they would win.

    This is a pretty low blow. This blow is 10m below ground.

    The article is obviously bullshit as soon as you read 'we THINK he was born in Africa'.

    THINK!? You don't file a lawsuit unless you KNOW and HAVE EVIDENCE for your allegation. At least if you're not desperate you don't.

    Stupidity seems rife in the Republican party and amongst its followers.
     
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    It could be very easily confirmed by checking the State of Hawaii, Bureau of Vital Statistics, who would hold the original. What a person has is a certified copy.

    I remind people that Bush and Cheney were both Texas residents at the time of first filing, in violation of a constitutional requirement.
     
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    Bullshit. Even IF Obama was born in Kenya, his mother undoubtedly would have given birth in a U.S. Embassy, making him an American citizen
     
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    I hope you realize, Trinity, that we will be using threads like this against you as evidence at your sanity hearing.
     
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    There is no depth of ignorant lie to which the right will not stoop.

    You fucks are morally and ethically as bankrupt as you have made this nation.


    Do us a favor- you don't like the US government? Get the fuck out.​
     
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    Actually, the guy behind this suit, Philip Berg, is a registered Democrat and a supporter of Hillary Clinton. He is also the lawyer in a suit against the Bush administration for conspiring to perpetrate the 9/11 attacks.

    Another lawsuit has been filed against top officials in the Bush administration, accusing them of complicity in the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

    William Rodriguez, a former maintenance worker at the World Trade Center, has filed suit in a Philadelphia federal court naming George Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and others as being complicit in the 9-11 attacks. Rodriguez claims that top officials either planned the attacks or had foreknowledge of the attacks and permitted them to succeed for the purpose of exploiting a “New Pearl Harbor” in order to launch wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. [. . .]


    “The official story of what actually took place on 9-11 is a lie,” Philip Berg, Rodriguez’s attorney, told Margaret Atheling Rowe of yuba.net, an Internet news site. “We do not pretend to have put together a full and definitive account of how, and by whom, the attacks were carried out. But information reported in the mainstream media, and viewed in the light of common sense and the laws of physics, demonstrates that the official story, examined closely, is not credible.
    (Source)
     
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    oh- so he's a certified crackpot?


    I don't blame him...
    I was referring to Trinity and the other republican operatives who have seized on this and disseminated it as if its valid information.
     
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    Hearing, why would you need a hearing? We've caught the perp in the middle of the act with the murder weapon and blood stains. This is a certified case of 15 kinds of crazy, all in one person.
     
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    The Federal Government properly vetted his eligibility. I'm sure the FBI & CIA have perfectly CLEAR copies and/or original certificates. You're ridiculous. 40 days until your purpose for being here is over... and I can't wait.
     
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